truemagellen

you seriously fucked up with this comment

I've been neutral on this thread...and hopefull your product is what you said it was but this comment is a serious sign of weakness.

Cam

iTrader: (1)

It's cool with me, I dig the Z:D

Of course I can't afford FI anyway.:p

EDIT:

I meant CANT, not can

truemagellen

I changed my comment mildy :D

I can afford FI too but I'm not going to waist my money on a bunch of fools who insult my friends and fellow RX8club members.

devious12

Yeah, the people of the RX8 community are skeptical because of past broken promises and with the market being flooded with manufacturers trying to sell products based on low or non-proven numbers of HP wouldn't you be questioning the price you want to pay. Hell I would pay the money for a kit that is going to give me over 100hp easily, (even though I will need to take out a loan to do it, not everyone wants to do that), it's just questionable because it really hasn't been done in a reliable way for this car, yet. I know the guys in PR are doing it but they're having problems too. And put yourself in the consumers shoes, would you want to pay 7k for a kit right now after Mazda already jerked us on the HP numbers and underpowered this car straight from the factory? Of course we are going to look for a deal, wouldn't you? No hard feeling just telling it how it is. I hope you do get the kit done and I hope somewhere you could organize a group buy for it if enough people were interested. I'm not down-playing what your doing, I give you lots of credit for trying to get the car to do those numbers, but most people don't have 7k+ to just throw around.

And comparing the kit to the 350z's kit on this forum and the owners is just a bad idea in itself.

punishr

I am not comparring the RX8 greddy kit to SSR's kit, I was talking about the COMPARRISON that was made by them, the 350Z GREDDY TWIN TURBO KIT WITH PRETUNED FUEL MANAGEMENT FOR 6K and the RX8 SSR/SFR SINGLE TURBO KIT WITH NO FUEL MANAGEMENT FOR (and I will use their words here) SIMILAR PRICE 6K.


As far as Z's with 10-12k put into them, You can rack up 10-12k on an RX8 with a full body kit, wheels and tires, ehaust, intake, and some coilovers. And there are plenty of RX8's with just those mods. Hell, I got over 5K, just in the mods that I have, BUT ALL OF THIS IS BESIDES THE POINT.

My main point was that if SSR/SFR feels that RX8 owners are cheap with their after market/turbo parts, Then I say to them that they might want to come up with a better business plan, than that of their original one which consist of A VERY WELL PUT TOGETHER KIT AND THEN TRY AND SELL IT WITH NO FUEL MANAGEMENT AND CHARGE EVEN MORE FOR THEIR OPTIONS, and THEN try to compare it to the GREDDY350Z TWIN TURBO KIT.

Sounds like to me that they might not be selling as many kits as they would like be selling, and telling fellow RX8 owners that they are cheap with their after market/turbo parts , and then telling them on their own web forum that it is just something to think about, DAMN SURE WON"T GET YOU ANYMORE SALES.

Sigma

Such ignorant comments certainly don't exactly win one customers.

You pick one of the single most expensive turbo options for the 350Z, a twin-turbo for that matter, to not only compare your own single-turbo kit to but to use as a point that RX-8 owners are cheap-asses. Are you that dumb or do you think the people here are?

What is far and away the most popular FI option for the 350Z? The 'cheap' $3200 Stillen Supercharger. Just how many people are buying the $5,000 and over single-turbo options (to compare a similar product as yours) for the 350Z? No one.

And then we get into the market. If RX-8 owners were so interested in power they would have bought a 350Z in the first place. Obviously the market and their desires are a little different. RX-8 owners put money into suspension, ultra-lightweight wheels, and aesthetic mods that Z owners put under their hood. Basic common sense tells you that there's obviously more of a market for power-mods in one car than the other. So you're right on that one -- but not because they're cheap-asses, which is what you're alluding towards.

Not to mention the fact that some other high-priced FI options are popular here, although they don't exist yet so it's difficult to say whether people will actually buy them when it comes time to pony-up the dough. PTP, AFE, Hymee, and Pettit, all have FI projects in the works, all will likely cost roughly similar to what your kit costs, but people are still more interested in those than they are in your product even with less gains -- perhaps you've got some Marketing and Customer Relations issues to work out.

I never thought your turbo kit for the RX-8 was all that outrageously priced. And, in fact, I was saving to buy it. But consider yourself less one customer. I'll do what I can to get PTPs kit instead. I don't give total dumbasses many thousands of my hard-earned dollars.

Next time you want to make some sort of deep-thinking 'point', at least compare apples to apples. Try something like a Dollar to Gain comparison between yourself a GReddy, at least that makes sense, and you actually could end up on top too.

StealthFox

considering i dont live far away and their kit is more powerful than greddys you can count me in for another sale/install

SpeedForceRacing

"I can see your point but consider this......I bought myself a 350Z.The cost is very similiar to the RX-8.Guess who has a turbos kit for it? We do and ofcourse Greddy does.Guess how much the Greddy kit costs? Over $6000. My point? People with similiar priced cars spend more money on their turbo kits then guys with the RX-8s are willing to spend. Just something to think about".



I was never comparing our RX-8 single turbo to the Greddy twin-turbo system. I was comparing the Greddy twin turbo to the Greddy RX-8 single turbo.One system is half the cost of the other and the only difference is that their is one extra turbo and Two Tial wastegates.Maybe a couple more pipes and another exhaust manifold.Does this dictate a $3000 higher price tag? Apparently to Greddy it does even though these parts only really cost about $800 more.


Before anymore people take this way out of context.............I NEVER SAID RX-8 OWNERS ARE CHEAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.Read what I said.!!!!!I said Greddy makes a kit for both cars just like we do.Their is a big difference in price for the two Greddy kits even though the cars sell for a similiar price.That is it. If you guys want to take it personal, then so be it.Just dont get all bent out of shape and start saying that I said you guys are cheap because I didnt. The fact is that the 350 guys are spending more on their cars for force induction.There is nothing bad about that, its just how it is at the moment.

Oh yeah, someone said that if we had a twin turbo for the price we are selling the single turbo, then they would buy it. LOL. Dont expect that anytime soon since fitting two turbos in their is not going to happen.

punishr

First of all, if you read my post I said and I quote "I don't know, maybe I am taking it the wrong way but it just sounded like you guy's were saying that some RX8 owners might be a little cheap when it comes to aftermarket parts."unquote....
SO YOU READ WHAT I SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Second of all, you said and I quote "People with similiar priced cars spend more money on their turbo kits then guys with the RX-8s are willing to spend. Just something to think about."unquote....
Well I thought about it and then responded with the above quoted statement.
SO ONCE AGAIN, YOU READ WHAT I SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!
Thirdly, That someone was me, I said and I quote"Isn't the Greddy Kit for the, (excuse me) your 350Z a TWIN TURBO KIT.
If I am wrong, please correct me.
If I am right, please build me a twin turbo kit for 6K and I will be happy to buy it from you."unquote....
SO LASTLY, YOU READ WHAT THE HELL I SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


QOUTE OF THE DAY "GET ON MY PAGE OR CLOSE THE BOOK"

RESPECTFULLY,
PUNISHR

Lschiavo

Dude stop offending people here, that comment was not professional at all. Behave like one and if you come here to sell your product insulting your potential customers, you better go away...
Don't try to fix your mistakes by hiding , accept the mistake, learn from it and go on... Also learn how to treat your customers respectfully

SpeedForceRacing

My main point was that if SSR/SFR feels that RX8 owners are cheap with their after market/turbo parts, Then I say to them that they might want to come up with a better business plan, than that of their original one which consist of A VERY WELL PUT TOGETHER KIT AND THEN TRY AND SELL IT WITH NO FUEL MANAGEMENT AND CHARGE EVEN MORE FOR THEIR OPTIONS, and THEN try to compare it to the GREDDY350Z TWIN TURBO KIT.


This is what you said. How did I not hear you? You basically insisted that we were "calling", "feeling",etc.... that RX-8 owners are cheap.You took what was written way out of context. Excuse me for pointing that out.

As far as how we sell our kit......We sell both a tuner kit and a complete kit. FYI,call Turbonetics, they sell a tuner kit(no engine management or fuel upgrades) for the Z.Call ATI Procharger, they sell tuner kits(no engine management or fuel upgrades) for Mustangs,Camaros,350's and a crapload of other vehicles.In this day and age a tuner kit is more and more common.In fact we just sold a tuner kit to one of the guys on this board who is planning on using an Emanage.So is this a bad thing becasue you dont agree with it?No.It is a way of us getting more people to turbocharge theirs cars without paying the "extravagant" price for our full kit.


Finally........... you are way overreacting.Calm down.If you want to talk civilized then that is fine.Give me your number and I will call you on my dime and you can express your concerns and feelings if it will make you feel better.

Lschiavo

LOL this is pathetic... If you called me I'd pay you for the call, it is possible that you post a message saying you had to pay for the phone call and that is a way to call us cheap again... Sorry but i think it that not everyone who read the message misinterpreted it. I think you made a mistake with the choice and combinations of words. Leave your ego apart, excuse yourself, learn from it and keep going. I tell you man, ego is a big thing and if you keep screwing like that, you are gonna lose a lot of customers and sales. Just an advice...

"the more you stir the ****, the more it smells" and you keep stirring it hard saying: "My point is... you are wrong because..."

NoTears316

Well, since you brought up the whole 350Z thing, I'm sure they have alot more respect for you then we do...

http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...&highlight=sfr

... oh wait, no they dont. They seem to think the same way we do. Looks like most of them willing to "not be cheap" like us 8 owners are going with the APS TT kit. The rest of those cheap bastards are going with the Stillen Supercharger.

For some reason, you guys just seem to rub people the wrong way.

SpeedForceRacing

I was trying to be nice.I wanst trying to insult anyone.If anyone else wants to bomb on me........AIM me at TurboTimatSFR. I am online now.

Lschiavo

Why on aim? Are u scared of damaging your reputation?? Did u call us cheap on our aim or msn? You called us cheap here, so we have to reply here... Thanks for being nice and making us feel like cheap bastards, well i actually don't feel like it since i got almost 23K worth of aftermarket parts in my car as it is...

SpeedForceRacing

So I said I would pay for the call and that means you are cheap.I said to AIM me and that also means you are cheap.Good greif I cant win.

SpeedForceRacing

I didnt call anyone cheap.If I thought that then we would have not done a kit for these cars.

punishr

Let me quote myself from my very first post for a moment.
If that was not civilized, then please excuse my ignorance.

AND, FYI as you say, I have nationwide long distance on my cell and HOME phone so your dime is not needed.

You see, I tried to be civil with you and you apparently did not want to be or maybe I jumped the gun a little, It just took me by surprise that you said "People with similiar priced cars spend more money on their turbo kits then guys with the RX-8s are willing to spend. Just something to think about." And like I said before, I thought about it and asked questions about it and told you how I felt about it. Obviously you didn't like what I said about it. So I retarded myself to your level and spoke to you the way you spoke to me, and now you want to be civil.


Sorry to the fellow Rx8 club members for my stubborness!!!!
I will gladly refrain from writing anymore on this subject!!!!!!!

Punishr

SpeedForceRacing

Actually,SSR is in Arizona and Speed Force Racing is in San Diego.We build everything here in house.SSR sells it for us.

SpeedForceRacing

I wont post anymore guys.Good luck with your cars.

Lschiavo

Keep stirring it, it is smelling stronger...

Keep doing what you're doing. We are all wrong, you are always right... We are the cheap ones, we are the ignorants, we are the stubborn, we are the ones who can't understand what you write. Sorry we are so stupid that can't understand you...

Lschiavo

At least you made it to the 50th post. (pissing some people off LOL) Congratulationss....
:D

punishr

I am not telling you not to post anymore.
Iwas just telling, asking you what the heck you were talking about?
But oh well!!!!
To Each Is Own.

rotarygod

OK guys chill out. Stop the yelling match. SFR is trying to produce a turbo system for the benefit of the RX-8 owners. If you guys aren't willing to pay that much for it then that's up to you. Some may disagree with you others may agree. That's the nature of the game.

No more bickering here or we'll start giving out warnings and mandatory time off. SFR keep up your work. There are those out there that appreciate it. However please don't argue with people. It won't get you anywhere. Let them disagree and go on with their business. Anyone here regardless of what position they take will be dealt with if need be. Let's not let it come to that.

xdrian

want the best bang for you buck ? Let me give you some advice.

1. Stop bashing SFR/SSR
2. Don't hate because you dont have a Greddy or SFR kit
3. The RX-8 was not designed to overpower other cars, it was designed to out handle/menouver them
4. If you want the best bang for your buck and don't like your 8 enough ... BUY AN EVO!
5. If this is not clear to you please read step 6.
6.