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01-03-2009, 08:23 PM
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i dont know whats funny bastage? none of you have ever provided me with any? the best i've ever gotten is a list of stuff that applies to about 3% of all boosted Rennies(basically track dedicated builds and ~400whp cars), and some stuff about Jeff's turbos always breaking and us running to him with money to fix it(which has never happened)
Regardless, the main intent of this thread was for owners to communictate with each other on improvements or modifications that they've done to their kits. Over the year or so this thread has been here, there has been far too much back and forth between us and a certain peddler of a competing product, and those who buy from/worship this peddler (who in at least one case, has a comical history of blind loyalty to another peddler that eventually screwed them over).
BTW, it was a our decision to put that Pettit white paper in our signature. As far as I know, the folks at Pettit are not even aware we're doing it. So it's a bit wrong to say that it's a "marketing strategy."
Here's my theory on Pettit's marketing strategy: Build and sell a good forced induction kit, and people will buy it.
01-03-2009, 08:32 PM
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I don't recall you being in a position to be criticized. What was funny to me about your post is that the whole reason that people like Jeff and his posse are unwelcome here is that they do not provide constructive criticism, they insult and instigate crapstorms. We're all pretty reasonable people on here, but when you have certain people that go out of there way to spread negative BS about a product that so far every single owner has been happy with, it gets annoying. Especially when it's done in a thread called "Pettit Super Charger Owners."
Regardless, the main intent of this thread was for owners to communictate with each other on improvements or modifications that they've done to their kits. Over the year or so this thread has been here, there has been far too much back and forth between us and a certain peddler of a competing product, and those who buy from/worship this peddler (who in at least one case, has a comical history of blind loyalty to another peddler that eventually screwed them over).
BTW, it was a our decision to put that Pettit white paper in our signature. As far as I know, the folks at Pettit are not even aware we're doing it. So it's a bit wrong to say that it's a "marketing strategy."
Here's my theory on Pettit's marketing strategy: Build and sell a good forced induction kit, and people will buy it.
Regardless, the main intent of this thread was for owners to communictate with each other on improvements or modifications that they've done to their kits. Over the year or so this thread has been here, there has been far too much back and forth between us and a certain peddler of a competing product, and those who buy from/worship this peddler (who in at least one case, has a comical history of blind loyalty to another peddler that eventually screwed them over).
BTW, it was a our decision to put that Pettit white paper in our signature. As far as I know, the folks at Pettit are not even aware we're doing it. So it's a bit wrong to say that it's a "marketing strategy."
Here's my theory on Pettit's marketing strategy: Build and sell a good forced induction kit, and people will buy it.
points taken, alot of them are spot on and couldnt be said better. all of the stuff i'm reffering to has nothing to do with past crap on here, but simply about my questioning your guys assumptions and positions you've taken and run with about that paper. As far as Pettit not knowing whats going on... i'm sure its possible as i dont know anyone who's called them and spoke - but its been brought up on here a few times or more to see if they would come fill in the blanks.(admittedly never expecting it to happen because to do would mean either telling you guys that your far exagerrating things, or publicly tainting their rep for knowing what they are talkig about)
01-03-2009, 08:37 PM
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wow, if thats how you took that, its no wonder you guys get so butt hurt whenever anyone says anything at all in here that doesnt include the words "perfect/sex/awesomeness/reliablestester"
all that was said over there between a few posts was: possibly divide it into categories like 1) genuine builds 2) kits instillations with a thread/feedback 3) kits installed via shop with no/less thread/feedback 4) ppl like me who are sitting on a pile of parts but have not "built/installed" yet
the more i look back on this whole constant mess, and then look at more current events, the more i think that although alot of it is simply **** - alot of it is a few of you guys needing to learn what constructive criticism is.
all that was said over there between a few posts was: possibly divide it into categories like 1) genuine builds 2) kits instillations with a thread/feedback 3) kits installed via shop with no/less thread/feedback 4) ppl like me who are sitting on a pile of parts but have not "built/installed" yet
the more i look back on this whole constant mess, and then look at more current events, the more i think that although alot of it is simply **** - alot of it is a few of you guys needing to learn what constructive criticism is.
"Might want to segregate that list up a bit into actual builds/advances/interactive and some of the "wanna-bes".
It doesn't really make sense to have folks like Fluid Motorsports, Baysj, PaulMasoner, Shinka213 or tubingchamp Since in that list they haven't (or can't) actually provide any data (some for obvious reasons).
That is, if I understand the point of this list"
Tell me thats not a loaded statement, I wasn't attacking anyone just observing what was said, with the way that was stated.
01-03-2009, 08:39 PM
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Then change your original post to reflect that it is only your personal opinion.
I don't care what you want for your car.
Area under the curve is a bit vauge, don't you think? Are you talking about the whole curve(1-9k), midrange, top end???
You are touchy. Otherwise you wouldn't feel the need to constantly post in a thread about a product which you have never owned. Are you trying to convince Pettit owners that you know more about their setup than they do, or just trying to convince yourself that you made the right decision in going another direction?
BTW, it would have been easy for most Pettit/Greddy owners to wait indefinately for a "perfect" FI setup. I can't speak for others, but I am glad I made the purchase when I did. Otherwise I wouldn't have learned as much as I have over the past year, not to mention enjoyed a car with FI.
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I don't care what you want for your car.
Area under the curve is a bit vauge, don't you think? Are you talking about the whole curve(1-9k), midrange, top end???
You are touchy. Otherwise you wouldn't feel the need to constantly post in a thread about a product which you have never owned. Are you trying to convince Pettit owners that you know more about their setup than they do, or just trying to convince yourself that you made the right decision in going another direction?
BTW, it would have been easy for most Pettit/Greddy owners to wait indefinately for a "perfect" FI setup. I can't speak for others, but I am glad I made the purchase when I did. Otherwise I wouldn't have learned as much as I have over the past year, not to mention enjoyed a car with FI.
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01-03-2009, 08:41 PM
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i dont know whats funny bastage? none of you have ever provided me with any? the best i've ever gotten is a list of stuff that applies to about 3% of all boosted Rennies(basically track dedicated builds and ~400whp cars), and some stuff about Jeff's turbos always breaking and us running to him with money to fix it(which has never happened)
Anyway, whats going on in this thread? Is paul getting into fights with SC guys?
01-03-2009, 08:43 PM
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oooo touchy touchy I was just pointing out the loaded gun,
"Might want to segregate that list up a bit into actual builds/advances/interactive and some of the "wanna-bes".
It doesn't really make sense to have folks like Fluid Motorsports, Baysj, PaulMasoner, Shinka213 or tubingchamp Since in that list they haven't (or can't) actually provide any data (some for obvious reasons).
That is, if I understand the point of this list"
Tell me thats not a loaded statement, I wasn't attacking anyone just observing what was said, with the way that was stated.
"Might want to segregate that list up a bit into actual builds/advances/interactive and some of the "wanna-bes".
It doesn't really make sense to have folks like Fluid Motorsports, Baysj, PaulMasoner, Shinka213 or tubingchamp Since in that list they haven't (or can't) actually provide any data (some for obvious reasons).
That is, if I understand the point of this list"
Tell me thats not a loaded statement, I wasn't attacking anyone just observing what was said, with the way that was stated.
it does make sense to divide the list up into basic kit installs, kit advancements, parts wishlists/build coming etc... and frankly, those like me who arent there yet are "wanna-bes" for the momnet. and for the purpose of tht thread others like Fluid, Shinka etc are.. because although they are boosted, they have no thread and nothing to contribute to the purpose....
so how is that loaded... it seems to be to be a pretty direct dead on description of whats going on, with a suggestion thrown in to divide different types of threads... much like we did in the past with Greddy FAQS/Greddy FIXES/Gredyy install threads.....
01-03-2009, 08:44 PM
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"Might want to segregate that list up a bit into actual builds/advances/interactive and some of the "wanna-bes".
It doesn't really make sense to have folks like Fluid Motorsports, Baysj, PaulMasoner, Shinka213 or tubingchamp Since in that list they haven't (or can't) actually provide any data (some for obvious reasons).
That is, if I understand the point of this list"
Tell me thats not a loaded statement, I wasn't attacking anyone just observing what was said, with the way that was stated.
It doesn't really make sense to have folks like Fluid Motorsports, Baysj, PaulMasoner, Shinka213 or tubingchamp Since in that list they haven't (or can't) actually provide any data (some for obvious reasons).
That is, if I understand the point of this list"
Tell me thats not a loaded statement, I wasn't attacking anyone just observing what was said, with the way that was stated.
01-03-2009, 08:49 PM
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I often ask myself that same question, as I look at this thread day after day and find very little that interests me, and I own this kit!
I have considered deleting my subscription here several times over the past year because of all the nonsense.
Anyways, most people avoid real discussion here; for whatever reason I don't know, but I hope its not fear of being ridiculed by the supposed "experts" or yet another post where someone wants to show how cleverly they can "write".
I have considered deleting my subscription here several times over the past year because of all the nonsense.
Anyways, most people avoid real discussion here; for whatever reason I don't know, but I hope its not fear of being ridiculed by the supposed "experts" or yet another post where someone wants to show how cleverly they can "write".
01-03-2009, 09:06 PM
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incorrect.
you forgot to mention SFR, PTP, and a couple other less known on this forum.
Congrats on your decision though. I'd bet a lot of the folks here would assume that i turn my nose at the SC, but even with some of the non ideal aspects of Pettit's FI system - i had my heart set on it for a few months.... the biggest reason i didnt end up staying the path was because i decided i wanted more area under the curve without having to rely on water/meth or anything else to do so.
FWIW i think that for a lot of people it is a good choice. Ease of install, equivalent to a top-mount in terms of bling factor, cost, decent bump in power. Basically i have nothing against it at all. It is what it is.
you forgot to mention SFR, PTP, and a couple other less known on this forum.
Congrats on your decision though. I'd bet a lot of the folks here would assume that i turn my nose at the SC, but even with some of the non ideal aspects of Pettit's FI system - i had my heart set on it for a few months.... the biggest reason i didnt end up staying the path was because i decided i wanted more area under the curve without having to rely on water/meth or anything else to do so.
FWIW i think that for a lot of people it is a good choice. Ease of install, equivalent to a top-mount in terms of bling factor, cost, decent bump in power. Basically i have nothing against it at all. It is what it is.
You are touchy. Otherwise you wouldn't feel the need to constantly post in a thread about a product which you have never owned. Are you trying to convince Pettit owners that you know more about their setup than they do, or just trying to convince yourself that you made the right decision in going another direction?
BTW, it would have been easy for most Pettit/Greddy owners to wait indefinately for a "perfect" FI setup. I can't speak for others, but I am glad I made the purchase when I did. Otherwise I wouldn't have learned as much as I have over the past year, not to mention enjoyed a car with FI.
-Yambo
I don't think Jeff actually makes turbos lol. Also, the Garret turbo upgrade he has for the GReddy kit is generally considered one of the better possible setups available. There aren't a ton of people running the GT3071R but I haven't heard a single person that is running it complain about the Devil's Hairdryer. I was going to get it myself before I decided to go with the GT2871R instead. *shrug*
Anyway, whats going on in this thread? Is paul getting into fights with SC guys?
Anyway, whats going on in this thread? Is paul getting into fights with SC guys?
and no it shouldnt be a fight, and it shouldnt really have ANYTHING to do with supercharger guys in the sense that they are SC'd... i just want someone qualified to step up and fill in a butt load of vagueness in the little turbo renny failure theory...
regardless of how else its been viewed, or whether i wasnt presented in a way that might or was intended to annoy anyone, ITS STILL RIGHT. get over the emotional/personal stuff everyone...
01-03-2009, 09:08 PM
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I often ask myself that same question, as I look at this thread day after day and find very little that interests me, and I own this kit!
I have considered deleting my subscription here several times over the past year because of all the nonsense.
Anyways, most people avoid real discussion here; for whatever reason I don't know, but I hope its not fear of being ridiculed by the supposed "experts" or yet another post where someone wants to show how cleverly they can "write".
I have considered deleting my subscription here several times over the past year because of all the nonsense.
Anyways, most people avoid real discussion here; for whatever reason I don't know, but I hope its not fear of being ridiculed by the supposed "experts" or yet another post where someone wants to show how cleverly they can "write".
01-03-2009, 09:20 PM
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lol, duh, i have one..... the "turbos breaking" comment was directed at something that someone said to me previously
and no it shouldnt be a fight, and it shouldnt really have ANYTHING to do with supercharger guys in the sense that they are SC'd... i just want someone qualified to step up and fill in a butt load of vagueness in the little turbo renny failure theory...
maybe, it wouldnt surprise me a bit either..... especially when it comes to him i view the forum with a very apathetic attitude. it allows me to see through alot of the drama and BS that goes on sometimes and take away whats important.
regardless of how else its been viewed, or whether i wasnt presented in a way that might or was intended to annoy anyone, ITS STILL RIGHT. get over the emotional/personal stuff everyone...
Then again, I'm "someone wants to show how cleverly they can "write"." LOL. Alright, leaving the thread now... not picking a fight with anybody just thought the thread was funny.
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Oh, I wasn't jabbing you with that, I was just tickled by your comment responding to the previous poster. As far as Jeff, he used to **** me off with his comments until I realized that he just likes to wind people up. I honestly don't know why there is such an issue between different forms of forced induction. There are so few FI RX-8s and it's already a rare car, so anybody boosting the car gets a thumbs up from me. I don't care how they are doing it.
Then again, I'm "someone wants to show how cleverly they can "write"." LOL. Alright, leaving the thread now... not picking a fight with anybody just thought the thread was funny.
Then again, I'm "someone wants to show how cleverly they can "write"." LOL. Alright, leaving the thread now... not picking a fight with anybody just thought the thread was funny.
similar thoughts about MM between us.i dont think you were the intended subject of that phrase though.. there is another here who fits the bill much better
oh sure, thats their job. but they are only so good at it. not sure what you're going for?
the discussion for me is still waiting for someone to fill in all the vagueness of the assumptions and opinions about the failure theory paper. i get the feeling some think it still has something to do with a SC in some way. it doesnt. i have the turbo. even if jesus christ himself came down and told me that my turbo would "fry my ports at 9lbs and 310whp" and that they were right ... i still dont give a **** about any TC/SC debate as i wont be in a position to go and ghange my decision then since im not made out of money. For me its about confirming or denying my own opinions about some things.
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01-03-2009, 09:35 PM
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maybe, it wouldnt surprise me a bit either..... especially when it comes to him i view the forum with a very apathetic attitude. it allows me to see through alot of the drama and BS that goes on sometimes and take away whats important.
regardless of how else its been viewed, or whether i wasnt presented in a way that might or was intended to annoy anyone, ITS STILL RIGHT. get over the emotional/personal stuff everyone...
regardless of how else its been viewed, or whether i wasnt presented in a way that might or was intended to annoy anyone, ITS STILL RIGHT. get over the emotional/personal stuff everyone...
For someone with an apathetic view you certainly get wound up...
01-03-2009, 09:39 PM
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As the thread creator; IMO - yes it was loaded statement; and no - I don't care.
The point of this whole debacle is....
Raise your hand if you need info about MAF set-ups, fueling, cooling, build contsraints, component selection, water/meth or just water, compressor efficiency information, boost control (solenoid or pully), tuning observations, fabrication ideas, driveline issues.... la la la la? All of the things that happen when you double the power output.
Now that all our hands are up in the air - thus the thread was born.
The bonus is that we can keep a record of everyone's build thread for people who are shopping for FI.
The Bonus Bouns - we can go pick fights with the NA crowd.
The point of this whole debacle is....
Raise your hand if you need info about MAF set-ups, fueling, cooling, build contsraints, component selection, water/meth or just water, compressor efficiency information, boost control (solenoid or pully), tuning observations, fabrication ideas, driveline issues.... la la la la? All of the things that happen when you double the power output.
Now that all our hands are up in the air - thus the thread was born.
The bonus is that we can keep a record of everyone's build thread for people who are shopping for FI.
The Bonus Bouns - we can go pick fights with the NA crowd.
01-03-2009, 09:44 PM
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I feel very foolish as i have yet again let my self be dragged into the "everything is Jeff's fault here" discussion.
i could care less what you or anyone else here thinks of jeff. if you dont like him, ignore him. even 12yo girls getting spammed by pedofiles in a chatroom have enough sense to do that.
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the only thing i'm interested in discussing is still theory paper and all its vagueness
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IT didnt offend me but I saw where it could have gone thats all,, Im glad Im not the only one whom thought that when it was posted...
BTW Kane I have some really cool custom stuff coming to my kit in the near future, I havent done a thread yet but I have all the pics as well as the ones that will be taken for the future mods so at that time I will build a thread dedicated to the SC install and customization of it...
BTW Kane I have some really cool custom stuff coming to my kit in the near future, I havent done a thread yet but I have all the pics as well as the ones that will be taken for the future mods so at that time I will build a thread dedicated to the SC install and customization of it...
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