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Old 05-26-2009, 06:54 AM
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xfingers he did put oil in it--because if he didnt ---then --i dont know.
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ok,

First I'll add some oil engine oil is good ?

but I still have my CEL probleme, attached the codes.
DTC Number : P0171
DTC Name : System Too Lean : Bank 1
What should I do at this point !!

if the BARO's hose as to be taken out of the actual position ; doesn't the BARO get plugged to the T/B ?

I am really getting lost in this case
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Old 05-26-2009, 09:48 AM
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No, use gear oil....
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Originally Posted by JMKuco
if the BARO's hose as to be taken out of the actual position ; doesn't the BARO get plugged to the T/B ?

I am really getting lost in this case

Where did you get the idea that the BARO sensor had a hose connected to it in the first place? It never HAD a hose connected to it from the factory. If that sensor is seeing any pressure above ATMO, the PCM is freaking out thinking that it cannot add enough fuel to compensate.

The purpose of that sensor is to help the PCM compensate for any minor change in altitude or barometric pressure and connecting a hose to it has interfered with it's ability to measure ATMO pressure.
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Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
Where did you get the idea that the BARO sensor had a hose connected to it in the first place? It never HAD a hose connected to it from the factory. If that sensor is seeing any pressure above ATMO, the PCM is freaking out thinking that it cannot add enough fuel to compensate.

The purpose of that sensor is to help the PCM compensate for any minor change in altitude or barometric pressure and connecting a hose to it has interfered with it's ability to measure ATMO pressure.
In fact, I was looking for something misssing... and I remember the following file that Cam gave me...

I thought that this was the mettering valves or jet air ...as I don't know what they both are...

I'll disconnect it as it gives me a CEL P0108..or maybe I have to connect it to the MAF air intake...
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Old 05-26-2009, 11:22 AM
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I use Royal Purple 20W-50 XPR, I was told to use 20W-50 in the supercharger by Cam.
I bought a quart of the Royal Purple in February of 2008 when I made the first oil change, I still have 1/4 of the quart.

Fill the supercharger to the indicated mark on the screw in dipstick, the oil level is measured by simply dropping the dipstick into the S/C dipstick hole and not by screwing it in.
I was also instructed by Cam to use 20W-50 and I also use Royal Purple.

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ok,

First I'll add some oil engine oil is good ?

but I still have my CEL probleme, attached the codes.
DTC Number : P0171
DTC Name : System Too Lean : Bank 1
What should I do at this point !!

if the BARO's hose as to be taken out of the actual position ; doesn't the BARO get plugged to the T/B ?

I am really getting lost in this case
Sorry I can't help you here, Charles R. Hill installed my s/c and did have some of the same problems but got it worked out.
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Originally Posted by JMKuco
In fact, I was looking for something misssing... and I remember the following file that Cam gave me...

I thought that this was the mettering valves or jet air ...as I don't know what they both are...

I'll disconnect it as it gives me a CEL P0108..or maybe I have to connect it to the MAF air intake...
Remove your hose from the BARO sensor and attach it to the "purge solenoid". It looks like the hose you have connected to the BARO sensor is the skinny red one in the diagram Cam gave you.
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That lean code is probly from a VAC leak. You shouldnt have anything leaking VAC to the atmosphere, or boost. If you do drive it even lightly and see that again take it easy on the drive home. Keep yourself patiant, if its pissing you off just walk away. No need to stress. When you find the problem im sure youl now it rite away. Keep in mind that you might have knocked a hose loss like your OMP or jet air. Hoses loss from any of those could cause that code along with other things. Also check the 1/4" hose behind the blower, ive seen them get damaged before also. As for the oil vent for the engine and blower you can let that breath if you want as long as its not hooked anywere in the intake system bleeding VAC.
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I just looked at the diagram and noticed that the hoses from the blower vent and crankcase vent look like there intersecting. Those are both different systems, there should be no connection between the two. The jet air and OMP get teed in together then those alone make there way through the throttle body (for looks) then to the MAF housing. The hoses for the vents should either go to a catch can with the MAF housing pluged or to the other side of MAF housing.
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you think his s.c itself is still ok?
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Originally Posted by olddragger
you think his s.c itself is still ok?
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It may resolve his "idle issue" to get oil in the blower.
(That had to run hot)
Let's hope the blower is still OK.

Gear Oil vs Engine Oil, which would be better?
I can see a point of using the 75-90 gear oil, but Cam said 20W-50.
I can see Cam saying either one is good. (Will find out soon.)
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Originally Posted by Rote8
It may resolve his "idle issue" to get oil in the blower.
(That had to run hot)
Let's hope the blower is still OK.

Gear Oil vs Engine Oil, which would be better?
I can see a point of using the 75-90 gear oil, but Cam said 20W-50.
I can see Cam saying either one is good. (Will find out soon.)
When he was in Vegas and given the choice, he used 20W-50 so I would tend to go with his recommendations. Personally I see nothing wrong with gear oil but........
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Originally Posted by Phil's 8
When he was in Vegas and given the choice, he used 20W-50 so I would tend to go with his recommendations. Personally I see nothing wrong with gear oil but........
Straight 50W Royal Purple on mine. It gives me 330 whp on a good day.
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Old 05-27-2009, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by marsredr100
Straight 50W Royal Purple on mine. It gives me 330 whp on a good day.
I like RP 20W-50 XPR better:
Either way, it looks like Royal Purple wins.

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Originally Posted by Moon Assad
I just looked at the diagram and noticed that the hoses from the blower vent and crankcase vent look like there intersecting. Those are both different systems, there should be no connection between the two. The jet air and OMP get teed in together then those alone make there way through the throttle body (for looks) then to the MAF housing. The hoses for the vents should either go to a catch can with the MAF housing pluged or to the other side of MAF housing.
OK , so no intersection... thanks because I was thinking they were connected.

but what is Jet air and OMP ?!
sorry but I really do not know what they two are ?!
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^ OMP is oil metering pump if I'm not mistaken.
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Originally Posted by endowdly
^ OMP is oil metering pump if I'm not mistaken.
Your quite rite the OMP is the oil metering pump but I'm not familiar with the "jet air" term.
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The "jet-air nozzles" are a pair of tiny nozzles located in the lower intake manifold that prevent fuel from puddling in the manifold.
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May I ask a photo of both of them (jet air and OMP) ? I might be help full ...
As my english for technical term is kind of limited
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hey JKM the jet air hose is the one that goes down to the lowest vacuum port on the lower intake manifold --not the 2 upper ones but the lowest one--its right in the middle of the lower intake manifold almost next to the exhaust manifold.
i cant find a picture i can post----anyone?

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Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
The "jet-air nozzles" are a pair of tiny nozzles located in the lower intake manifold that prevent fuel from puddling in the manifold.

Yeah, the vacuum/boost leak that is built-in.
Note: The two "vacuum leaks" in the center two ports join to a 1/4 inch (steel?) line that comes out of the lowest point of the intake, to a rubber line, then goes back to a metal line that exits near the top, front, passenger side of the engine.

The bottom two rubber to metal line connections are a leak waiting to happen, put hose clamps on them.
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Originally Posted by olddragger
hey JKM the jet air hose is the one that goes down to the lowest vacuum port on the lower intake manifold --not the 2 upper ones but the lowest one--its right in the middle of the lower intake manifold almost next to the exhaust manifold.
i cant find a picture i can post----anyone?

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Thanks for your help OD

I'll try to find them...

But if someone have a photo with nice circules to help me it would be great, I need to find the jet air hose and the metering vavles (see Cam's graphic).
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The reason I call the jet-air nozzle system a "vacuum leak" (but I also note that it is metered by the MAF sensor) is to help people understand that it functions as a throttle body air bleed/bypass when the engine is idling. It helps them to better visualize the function of the system, from an airflow standpoint.
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Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
The reason I call the jet-air nozzle system a "vacuum leak" (but I also note that it is metered by the MAF sensor) is to help people understand that it functions as a throttle body air bleed/bypass when the engine is idling. It helps them to better visualize the function of the system, from an airflow standpoint.
So, as I didn't connect the jat-air to the T/B & so to the MAF, may be one reason why my engine can not idle ?!

PLEASE photo of those jet air hose

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I have no photos available but the best thing to do, IMO, is to locate the jet-air and OMP nozzle vent hoses after the MAF sensor, before the throttle body, with one-way check valves to assure airflow toward the nozzles and checked against reverse-flow. I believe this is what Pettit also proscribes in their installation manual as well. (Not sure what they say about check-valves)


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