chetrickerman

So from the PTP website, this seems like the best turbo kit. But what im wondering, is if it comes with all the engine managment, new injectors, spark plugs, all that good stuff, because the description for the kit is kind of confusing, because buy the engine management, it has the price, same with the fuel injectors, so does that mean i have to buy them, or does that mean they come with the kit. What else should i upgrade on my car that isnt in the kit?

http://www.tuningmotorsports.com/pro...9&cat=9&page=1

Thanks much

XDEEDUBBX

you have to pay extra for it, for example:

Engine Management Package: $1950
- HKS F-Con V-Pro
- HKS Vehicle Specific RX8 Plug and Play Harness

This is on top of "The Tuner Kit: $5200"

tdiddy

Each can be purchased separately...

The Tuner Kit: $5200
Turbonetics T4-60 Trim Stage 5 Ball Bearing Turbo
Front Mount Intercooler
Polished Intercooler Piping
Stainless Tubular Manifold with Heat Wrap
3” Stainless Downpipe
Tial 38mm Wastegate
HKS SSQV BOV
PTP Turbo Blanket
PTP Lower Radiator Hose
Turbo Feed and Return Lines
PTP Battery Box
K&N Filter
Upgraded Spark Plugs
All necessary Hardware: Couplings, Bolts, Gaskets, Clamps, etc…


Engine Management Package: $1950
HKS F-Con V-Pro
HKS Vehicle Specific RX8 Plug and Play Harness
Intake and Boost Sensors with Harnesses


Fuel Injectors and Wideband: $800
4 Upgraded Fuel Injectors (sizes differ depending on horsepower goal)
AEM Wideband Gauge


Boost Controller: $350
Greddy Profec B Spec 2
(or any boost controller comparable to this one)


Ignition: $500
HKS Twin Power DLI II with Harness


Installation: $2000
Turbo Kit, Engine Management, Injectors, Wideband, Twin Power, Boost Controller

Dyno Tuning
250.00 with Complete Turbo kit purchase
500.00 with Tuner kit purchase
Engine Management will include a base map but should be tuned once installed

Rocketman1976

I spoke to Jon several times to confirm the way the kit is priced and what you get for what $, I am about to order my kit next week so I verified everything first.

The kit is on sale right now it says save 5% regular price is $5300 and with that you get the kit with 2 injectors not all 4, and you don't get engine management.
He says with just the 2 injectors you can run 300 rwhp, to get more you need the other 2. You can buy the other 2 injectors seperatley for $200

For the $1995 you get the HKS emu with harness and the other 2 injectors.

They don't suggest you get the HKS emu because of the trouble finding a tuner that knows that emu and Rotary is not very easy. He suggested I get the Interceptor-x from mazsport and have them tune it.

chetrickerman

well i dont plan on running anything above 300 hp, so the two injectors should be fine, but how do i get mazsport to tune it for me, i live in wisconsin, do i have to drive there or something? Do i need the ignition? and where would i get it installed, because i would much rather have them install it rather than myself and taking the chance of blowing something or screwing things up.

tdiddy

What size are the 2 injectors that come with the kit? Also, are the kits just sitting there ready to ship or will it take time for them to make stuff?

nmarz77

Had a thought here.......please don't flame me for this.

Why not buy the Greddy kit for half the price, sell the turbo that comes with the kit and use that money to upgrade to a bigger turbo? Afterall isn't the only downfall of the Greddy kit that the turbo runs out of nuts? Other than that the Greddy kit seems to come with everything you need to put down some decent power...

What are your opinions on this?

chetrickerman

That is a good idea, but i heard that the greddy fuel managment sucked, may im getting it confused with the HKS, and the greddy comes with cast manifold and downpipe while the PTP comes with stainless steel, which is MUCH better. And as the other people said, the piping and other things are better quality. But for you people saying get the mazsport turbo kit, i cant find it, the site is under construction or something. Do you guys have a link to the specific turbo kit. And you still havent answered my other questions.

"but how do i get mazsport to tune it for me, i live in wisconsin, do i have to drive there or something? Do i need the ignition? and where would i get it installed, because i would much rather have them install it rather than myself and taking the chance of blowing something or screwing things up" &

"What else should i upgrade on my car that isnt in the kit?"

shaunv74

Check out Mazsports threads on this forum. You can PM them and they can answer your questions.

From what I have seen the Stock ignition can handle up to about 320-330hp or so so you should be fine below 300 with the stock ignition.

Rocketman1976

Thats a good idea too, there is a garret turbo some people have upgraded the Greddy with to make more power.

The greddy does have a lot more problems than that though. If you search these threads you will see what alterations people have had to make to their greddy to make it work properly. They come out to about $5k in total including the greddy kit price.

To put a larger turbo on the greddy you'll be getting close to $6k, to me its not worth saving $500 to have to deal with all the fixes and upgrading the turbo on the Greddy. There are going to be fixes with all turbo kits but I would rather start with something that was made to make the higher power instead of try to make a lower one reach that point.

chetrickerman

Is there a specific person that i can pm, or do i just search for mazsport?

Rocketman1976

It is the greddy fuel management that some say sucks not the HKS. That HKS is supposed to be very good and is used on many cars (WRX STI, Mitsu EVO, Supra) but mainly in Japan.

On the interceptor I think Mazsport is capable of setting a base map you can use until you get dyno tuned, they do that for Greddy kits but I'm not sure if they would do that with a PTP, a kit they have never worked on. You would have to ask them.

The one you would probably want to PM is MazsportScott he's the tuner and I believe the owner.

chetrickerman

Yea, but everyone says the HKS is locked, i dont know what locked is, but from what i have read, it doesnt sound good

shaunv74

I would start with mazsport_mantis. She tends to handle customer service and may be able to answer your question quickly.

chetrickerman

and i heard about the Esmeril turbo kit and have done a good deal reading up on that one, but what do you guys think? which one comes as a more complete package with everything?

lazi

the reason why they say it would be easier to go with int-x will be cause there are more tuners out for there for it, but limited tuners out there for the HKS.

chetrickerman

who is the int-x made by, and does anyone know of any tuning shops in wisconsin?

shaunv74

It's mazsports EMS. It is basically a Microtech. If you find a shop that knows how to tune with a microtech they can work with Scott at Mazsport over the phone. I would call them first to discuss your options though.

chetrickerman

okay, so which would be a better kit? the PTP or esmeril, and the int-x would be the best engine management? and does anyone know of any tuners in wisconsin?

chetrickerman

screw it, im just gonna go with the mazsport type 1 kit, it seems like the best overall kit. thanks for all of your opinions. if you guys want to answer any of my other questions, feel free. thanks for all of your help

mysql101

The upgraded turbo costs $1,100 retail. Some of us are able to get it for around $950 range new though.


Completely false. The fixes amount to $100 in new hoses, a $5 oil pill, and using a different pipe as the source for the wastegate ($0).


It'll cost you $3000 total if you buy a used kit. Or $4200 with everything new - and you should be able to sell the greddy turbo for $500 or more. So $3,700 is the price tag.

The additional costs for the greddy besides the fixes I detailed above, apply to all turbo kits. We're talking about boost controller, fuel injectors, fuel pumps, gauges, etc. So yes, you're going to be looking at 6k total for most people, but you'll have to add the same amount to any other kit as well

mysql101

Mazsport kit is the cream of the crop for turbo kits on the RX-8, you're not going to go wrong with it.

Rocketman1976

So the other ones fall short of the mazsport?

What makes the PTP not as good? And please don't just say the PTP hasn't been tested on as many vehicles as the mazsport. Just comparing product to product whats the difference?

tdiddy

There is nothing wrong with the PTP kit but everything is give and take. Thus, I see 2 differences in the PTP kit when comparing it to the others.

First, and probably the most important, is the engine management. PTP is big on the HKS stuff and the HKS engine management is locked so it can only be tuned by an anthorized HKS dealer. Not only are those limited but try finding one that is also an accomplished rotary tuner. Also, if a person were to purchase the PTP tuner kit and go with another engine management system it would need to have the tune created basically from scratch. This could be expensive and time consuming.

Second, is the 38mm wastegate. It is smaller than the 44mm (mazsport), 46mm (SFR), and 60mm (Esmeril). However, I believe PTP went with the smaller wastegate to get their turbo to spool quicker. Too big a wastegate and it may open early making it hard to reach the desired boost levels, and it could leak more pressure then you want, so when it closes again your turbo will have too spool up again. Too small a wastegate and the engine may over boost.

Its all Give and Take...

Rocketman1976

Thanks for the comparison and insight, very helpful. I am definatley going with the PTP, decent price for a nice kit. With injectors and intercptor-x I'll be paying $6500, same as the Esmeril price but with all name brand parts and a ball bearing turbonetics turbo. I may have to pay a little more for a tune but it will still be much cheaper than the higher priced kits.