Is it really worth it?
02-23-2009, 10:41 PM
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i know, but as I understand it, i thought anything much more than 65hp shots at the throttle body risks fuel coating the UIM and backfires (is it Al who has gone through 2 of em?) Of course I am regularly wrong and if anyone can figure out a nitrous system its Charles. I was just wondering if he is plumbing the spray in at a different spot (direct port cough)
just curious
just curious
02-24-2009, 12:03 AM
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I've been F.I. going on three years now and have never blown a single engine. Nor that of any of my customers for that matter.
Any engine, not just the Renesis, will blow up if it is asked to achieve a certain goal without the correct tools and support structures. It'll be like paying to get into a club and expecting to get laid - it just does not happen unless you look the part, take the time to chat her/him (whatever rocks ur boat) up a little and buy a couple of drinks at least.
While this isnt directed at anyone in particular...but those who go into F.I. thinking that all you need is a second hand turbo kit and a mechanic to make it work will be in for a huge surprise and an even larger bill later on.
Just my 2c.
02-24-2009, 06:55 AM
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Ray is spot on.
I've been F.I. going on three years now and have never blown a single engine. Nor that of any of my customers for that matter.
Any engine, not just the Renesis, will blow up if it is asked to achieve a certain goal without the correct tools and support structures. It'll be like paying to get into a club and expecting to get laid - it just does not happen unless you look the part, take the time to chat her/him (whatever rocks ur boat) up a little and buy a couple of drinks at least.
While this isnt directed at anyone in particular...but those who go into F.I. thinking that all you need is a second hand turbo kit and a mechanic to make it work will be in for a huge surprise and an even larger bill later on.
Just my 2c.
I've been F.I. going on three years now and have never blown a single engine. Nor that of any of my customers for that matter.
Any engine, not just the Renesis, will blow up if it is asked to achieve a certain goal without the correct tools and support structures. It'll be like paying to get into a club and expecting to get laid - it just does not happen unless you look the part, take the time to chat her/him (whatever rocks ur boat) up a little and buy a couple of drinks at least.
While this isnt directed at anyone in particular...but those who go into F.I. thinking that all you need is a second hand turbo kit and a mechanic to make it work will be in for a huge surprise and an even larger bill later on.
Just my 2c.
I know if you get a second hand cheap little turbo set up from ebay or wherever it probably wont end well but if I get a system, after talking to a few people a supercharger system, I will go big spend the money and get it done at a shop that I know has installed the same system on the same car before just to make sure I dont explode
02-24-2009, 06:57 AM
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Amen Charles. Or as we used to more simply say in the Corps, "the 10%'ers will always be with us." 
[90% of the problems from 10% of the peeps]
[90% of the problems from 10% of the peeps]
I always make the mistake of thinking we are speaking within the realms of reason and rationale around here when discussing technical stuff. As I grow older I realize that Shakespeare's observations regarding humanity are spot-on.
Like I said, when tuned with care and diligence, the Renesis is pretty forgiving and robust.
Like I said, when tuned with care and diligence, the Renesis is pretty forgiving and robust.
02-24-2009, 07:32 AM
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02-24-2009, 11:03 AM
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when it comes to putting fi on a car--it is about what you want--it is not about the money.
I know people that can patiently source a used set up, get a conservative tune, get the heat under control and be able to keep the engine lubricated properly for a lot less than 7K. Now if you want to buy new off the showroom floor kit --have someone install/tune and set it up for you AND do the mantainence--yea then it will be 7K+
FI for our engine has been --in a way--made much more solid of a mod than 2 yrs ago.
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I know people that can patiently source a used set up, get a conservative tune, get the heat under control and be able to keep the engine lubricated properly for a lot less than 7K. Now if you want to buy new off the showroom floor kit --have someone install/tune and set it up for you AND do the mantainence--yea then it will be 7K+
FI for our engine has been --in a way--made much more solid of a mod than 2 yrs ago.
olddragger
02-24-2009, 11:45 AM
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Rock solid insight from a rock solid ol' school member. Required reading for anyone considering FI.
when it comes to putting fi on a car--it is about what you want--it is not about the money.
I know people that can patiently source a used set up, get a conservative tune, get the heat under control and be able to keep the engine lubricated properly for a lot less than 7K. Now if you want to buy new off the showroom floor kit --have someone install/tune and set it up for you AND do the mantainence--yea then it will be 7K+
FI for our engine has been --in a way--made much more solid of a mod than 2 yrs ago.
olddragger
I know people that can patiently source a used set up, get a conservative tune, get the heat under control and be able to keep the engine lubricated properly for a lot less than 7K. Now if you want to buy new off the showroom floor kit --have someone install/tune and set it up for you AND do the mantainence--yea then it will be 7K+
FI for our engine has been --in a way--made much more solid of a mod than 2 yrs ago.
olddragger
02-24-2009, 12:02 PM
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Coming from someone who thought, read, researched, questioned, and prepared for 2 years to go FI. I finally bought all the main components, and was simply picking up the last few pieces before instal time. Now i am selling it off. There are definately other MAJOR factors, but a BIG one is simply this: I do not advise FI'ing a car that you depend on for a DD and cannot afford to loose a motor and have downtime.
That said, although the past reaks of poor FI stories, you must consider what thepast offered, the majority comes from Greddy kits which totally failed and crappy engine management. With the much more advanced and quality kit designs and engine management availible today, the possibility of going FI with little to no troubles is ever increasing. And there is also plenty of evidence to show what others have said, that the Renesis is actually a pretty stout motor in many aspects, especially compared to previous rotaries.
That said, although the past reaks of poor FI stories, you must consider what thepast offered, the majority comes from Greddy kits which totally failed and crappy engine management. With the much more advanced and quality kit designs and engine management availible today, the possibility of going FI with little to no troubles is ever increasing. And there is also plenty of evidence to show what others have said, that the Renesis is actually a pretty stout motor in many aspects, especially compared to previous rotaries.
02-24-2009, 12:43 PM
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Ray is spot on.
I've been F.I. going on three years now and have never blown a single engine. Nor that of any of my customers for that matter.
Any engine, not just the Renesis, will blow up if it is asked to achieve a certain goal without the correct tools and support structures. It'll be like paying to get into a club and expecting to get laid - it just does not happen unless you look the part, take the time to chat her/him (whatever rocks ur boat) up a little and buy a couple of drinks at least.
While this isnt directed at anyone in particular...but those who go into F.I. thinking that all you need is a second hand turbo kit and a mechanic to make it work will be in for a huge surprise and an even larger bill later on.
Just my 2c.
I've been F.I. going on three years now and have never blown a single engine. Nor that of any of my customers for that matter.
Any engine, not just the Renesis, will blow up if it is asked to achieve a certain goal without the correct tools and support structures. It'll be like paying to get into a club and expecting to get laid - it just does not happen unless you look the part, take the time to chat her/him (whatever rocks ur boat) up a little and buy a couple of drinks at least.
While this isnt directed at anyone in particular...but those who go into F.I. thinking that all you need is a second hand turbo kit and a mechanic to make it work will be in for a huge surprise and an even larger bill later on.
Just my 2c.
02-24-2009, 12:59 PM
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What octane do you run in Singapore? Also, what do you make of Petit's theory of FI Renesis failures? http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/c...Pages1and2.jpg
there are ways to deal woith the localized heat/cooling inadequacies, but to do it properly involvs some very intrusive work that most people will never see unless is a purpose built car, or already stripped down for rebuild.
EDIT: sorry for the poor typing skills, the xanax is kicking in hard, i need to sleep now
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02-24-2009, 07:28 PM
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02-24-2009, 11:48 PM
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HAHA!
Hey Risky, thanks for the compliment. I'm open to taking people for a ride, as long as they promise not to fall in love with the supercharger. It already happened to one person, fortunately they were able to buy one for themselves a few days later
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