Raptor2k

stickmantijuana

mr wiggles, seriously.. just stop. if you jumped on all advertisements you saw on TV, billboards, etc. for potential exaggeration of the product they're advertising, u won't get farther than a few feet. being excited about your own product doing so well overseas and posting it in a forum to let people know casually is something even a little kid can understand. you don't go researching into the issue across the language barrier to see whether it was bogus in a business where timing and hype is big part of the game.

besides, SFR's hp claim number isn't even out of the line. i raced SFR turbo rx8 in SOW, and it was definitely in a different class than my greddy+int-x tuned to 300whp. the car was VR with gold rims. forget the guy's name. anyway, i'm sure he's around here somewhere.

Brettus

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Tim
Bump - you probably missed this with all the argument going on .

Greddyturbo1

I just got a chance to read this new thread, Wow , what the hell, Mrwiggles what agenda are you on.. It sounds like you have a motive, with all the bashing, Geez.. I guess all other vendors can have misprints, setbacks,delays, make promises and etc. But have
SFR do it any you're all over them, I don't know them personally , so I have no loyalty to them...I've been quite around here lately, but I'am really waiting for Mar. 28.... Then we're see......

MrWigggles

I have to appologize for one thing. I did not make perfectly clear the intentions of my very first post in this thread. I was trying to answer Brettus' question of why almost no one has the kit and that would be an apparent lack of trust.

That lack of trust might not be warranted; trust is up to the individual to decide. I, like 99.99% percent of the rx-8 forum, do not own his kit. I do not know the fitness of his product. It could be the best damn turbo kit on the planet. If it is the best turbo kit on the planet, I don't appologize for my comments. My comments have nothing to do with the quality of the SFR product. My comments have to do with straight-forwardness and quality of its marketing.

The HK thread was just one of many where SFR came in an told us about how one of his customers just got XXX HP on a dyno or Joe Blow was so happy that they got it instead. 9 out of 10 times SFR delivered the story not the customer. Case in point:

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...0&page=1&pp=40

Man that 367 WHP car must be just around the corner (this was 15 months ago) O.K where's the chart? Later in the thread he posts the same 320HP chart he has on his website today. Oh well, 380WHP, 367WHP, 320WHP. What's the difference? They're just numbers. Even the miracle diet pills have disclaimers at the bottom that say "results not typical." If 367WHP isn't practical, don't even mention it.

Do you want other posts? I can probably dig up a good history here. Most of you don't care and you've made your decision that's fine. I'm now the bad guy and that is actually also quite fine with me. Most of you think I'm beating him up; he finally admitted that one of the numbers he posted was BS. Sorry, I had to beat the confession out of him. (Don't think I haven't given Richard Paul a hard time also. My comments are on page whatever of that thread. RP's definition of "soon" are a little different than everyone else's.)

Rotarygod and others in the Houston area can attest that I am not a turbo kit builder. I am and have been shopping for FI for some time. And you guys aren't going to believe this next comment. I might actually buy the SFR. The Cobb stuff looks like it is on the shelf; no reason to wait for a kit that uses it. So its possible that the best management in the near future might be what is currently available in today's kits including SFR's.

I think SFR's boundary to success is a lack of trust. If I and others are jackasses for not trusting him, so be it. That is his problem because I do have money to spend. Historically, IMO he has done a poor job speaking for his product. Let the product speak for itself. Testimonials should be coming from the owners not the manufacturer.

-Mr. Wigggles

tdiddy

Tim - will you give a little more detail about your "RC 550cc injectors"? Is this 1 set of 2 injectors? What injectors do you replace, the Primaries, Secondaries, or P2s?

PS - I love the fact that you give the option of buying a complete kit with tuned ems and injectors or one that can be built upon as the buyer sees fit.

MadDog

Wiggles,

Not to be an ***, but your last post is just a compilation of all the previous ones. LET IT GO. We want FI products. We want to hear about their successes and their failures. We want updates and dyno sheets and tales of wildebeasts and angels. We DON'T want to re-hash the past. We've thrashed SFR before - I was in on it, too. But can we please just let it go so that we might hear more about this product? I'm absolutely, 100% sure that the reason we haven't heard more from the owners of this kit is that Tim tells his customers about the way he gets treated here.

I also want to point out that SFR is hardly the only commercial outfit to post threads about power claims and never back them up. One vendor, who happens to be the forum's golden boy, has been guilty of the same. But instead of getting thrashed for it, people just look the other way. (or in the case of the S/C, they just get in line to kneel down in front) Why? Probably just because Tim doesn't hesitate to get in a fight.

HP claims are worthless, no matter who makes them. Differences in dynos, cars, gas, tunes, altitude etc. will always make your achieved HP different than anyone elses when you're both using the same hardware. You should buy power-adders based on YOUR assessment of its capability (i.e. read the compressor charts, do the calculations) and not anyone elses claim - even the manufacturer's.

So, all of this SFR bashing has happened before in other threads. They're out there, and now they've been linked to, summarized, re-hashed, dredged-up and repeated.

CAN WE PLEASE HAVE A THREAD THAT TALKS ABOUT THE 2 YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF THEIR TEST CAR??!!

I don't know if you've noticed, but having an FI Renesis make it more than a year or so is kind of rare.

ЯX-8

I'm with MadDog on this on.. I still wanna see a picture of the battery relocation with the aluminum box for it, with the all connector's.

ALXVA8

How are all stock functions operational with the Powermod. I remember that Scott over at Mazsport was trying to get crusise control to work with the Interceptor-X, he was able to after some time. Does the Powermod negatively affect any creature comforts?

SpeedForceRacing

Mr.wiggles,


Read that thread carefully and we posted about the numbers and then the customer actually came on the board and he was supposed to send us a dyno chart and/or post it on here which he didnt do.I think he was having issues with his Emanage(he bought a tuner kit) which apparently was more important then posting up a chart.But like someone else said,dyno are just dynos.A Dynojet reads different then a Mustang dyno which reads different the a Dyno Dynamics whichs read different the a Dynapak. The real proof is what an SFR equipped car does against another car.One of the guys raced an SFR car and from what HE said in this thread was......it was in a different league compared to his 300WHP Greddy car.That alone speaks volumes as far as I am concerned.I am glad to here stories like this from guys thathave been on these boards for awhile.

SpeedForceRacing

The Powermod basically controls the injectors and coils dircetly.It does not skew the MAF signal to alter the air/fuel ratio like alot of piggy backs do.It has a built in map sensor which it uses to provide accurate fuel and timing control.It controls the boost within the software and withthe solenoid we supply.It can also control Nitrous,waterinjection and all sorts of other things.

SpeedForceRacing

We replace the primaries and leave the secondaries.Mowst of the turbo systems we sell now are offered in a tuner version and a complete version.We like to have options for the customer.






Tim

SpeedForceRacing

Everything still works with the Powermod.No issues and no problems.

SpeedForceRacing

I spent some time digging through my 5000+ pictures and havent located thepictures yet.I am trying and worse case scenario is I can take some new pictures next time one of our customers comes by.

LabDad

Dude,
You need to learn some reading comprehension before you post crap like this. SFR made that post based on a customer claim, that customer also posted to that thread saying he made the power. That customer (apparantly) never provided the dyno sheet that was promised (see post #33). In response to everyones questions about what the turbo kit could do and because the customer has yet to provide anything, SFR posted their 326 whp dyno chart.

gh0st

lol.. i remember that whole fiasco. i do agree with mr wiggles that there is a major barrier for SFR due to trust issues but it isnt entirely their fault. its been a combination of bad luck, jumping the gun and very VERY angry forum members.

well the way i see it...

petite ADVERTISED 300 hp at seven stock... hasent happened yet.

mazsport ADVERTISED 400 hp... also hasnt happened yet

greddy advertises 240 hp or so... thats right on the money. ALL HAIL GREEDY!

... but everyone is on their jock despite having no proof that they can meet their claims.

SFR simply posted information and claims from other sources and have been apologetic for sharing unclear information. i simply dont understand why some people here are so hell bent on shooting them selves and the rx8 community in the foot.

go ahead.... keep chasing the away vendors who are willing to put R&D money in our cars. then you could bitch about how we dont have any aftermarket support.

MrWigggles

Dude, I didn't post in that thread because dude, I gave SFR the benefit of the doubt at that time.

-Mr. Wigggles

MrWigggles

If dyno numbers are just BS, then stop starting thread where you claim BS dyno numbers. They are YOUR threads.

If you say, "A customer of mine just got XXX WHP.", then you are saying implicitly that a dyno number is important. You could easily say, "Some of our customers have gotten high dyno numbers, but I don't put much faith in those thing."

If you start a thread mention the word "WHP" or the word "Dyno" you better have a print-out. Don't bring Kool-aid to a gin party.

-Mr. Wigggles

SpeedForceRacing

I didnt say dyno numbers are BS. I said dynos are dynos.You keep manipulating my words to make a point to others. There have been a few posts where I have mentioned dyno numbers and that sort of thing.However, I am just trying to relay info about the kit since there arent 5000 people with this turbo system like there is with the Greddy system.It is also nice to try to post independant results that real people have accomplished.I could put up a million charts showing all sorts of dyno numbers for the RX-8 that we have done but in the end it will just be disputed by people like you. When the average Joe shows his results, there will be less doubt,in my opinion.

Cam

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I'll throw my .02 in.

First, 2 years 20000 miles is an accomplishment in my book. I think your kit is made up of some impressive parts and if I had the money would be purchasing one.

I have a question though Tim. A forum member was selling his SFR kit a few months ago and stated he had some fitment issues (sorry cant remember which parts), is this normal for the SFR kit? Have other owners reported fitment issues as well?

As for all the SRF bashing... I dont get it. Heres an aftermarket company that has provided a FI solution, has come to the boards to answer questions, posted videos, dynos, pictures, anything he could to assist us. What does he get in return, grief. No wonder companys arent interested in making parts for the RX-8.

Tim, just ignore the haters, this board is full of them. The thing is the haters are the loudest people. Try to remember there are people on the board who appreciate vendors coming on, we just dont post as much.

Brettus

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I can vouch for that on my N/A car .

I'm more interested in how well it tunes under boost in closed loop - any issues with long term fuel trim ?

SpeedForceRacing

[QUOTE=Cam]I'll throw my .02 in.

First, 2 years 20000 miles is an accomplishment in my book. I think your kit is made up of some impressive parts and if I had the money would be purchasing one.

I have a question though Tim. A forum member was selling his SFR kit a few months ago and stated he had some fitment issues (sorry cant remember which parts), is this normal for the SFR kit? Have other owners reported fitment issues as well?



It is not normal but we have had some guys that bought the kit for LHD vehicles and adapt it to RHD vehicles.Then there is always the one that gets away from us which can result in a fitment issue.But if that situation pops us we will take care of it and ship out new parts if need be.

chickenwafer

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my god this is soooo annoying!!! SFR is not claiming "380WHP" now or ever eludded to it in this thread. If you don't want this kit, then don't get it! It's that friggen simple! Obviously, this "380WHP/PS" thing must have really butt-hurt you because you can't get off your bandwagon of bashing. Don't you realize that you're the only one who cares about this??

SFR is offering a great kit, with great components, with a WARRANTY on parts, and is made in the USA. What more do you want? Go buy a GReddy kit, I hear it's real good.........

romycha1

Do you have any pics of the kit?

LabDad

From their website:





They have a few more pics on there: http://www.speedforceracing.com/