Speed Force Racing Turbo 292whp
02-13-2005, 07:10 PM
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With the TSI engine management, what has been changed. Timing as well as AFR?
Also, Im not a FI genious, what is the TSI solenoid? Whats the purpose?
It'd be great if someone could give a breakdown of the advantages of the parts.
Also, Im not a FI genious, what is the TSI solenoid? Whats the purpose?
It'd be great if someone could give a breakdown of the advantages of the parts.
02-13-2005, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Cam
With the TSI engine management, what has been changed. Timing as well as AFR?
Also, Im not a FI genious, what is the TSI solenoid? Whats the purpose?
It'd be great if someone could give a breakdown of the advantages of the parts.
Also, Im not a FI genious, what is the TSI solenoid? Whats the purpose?
It'd be great if someone could give a breakdown of the advantages of the parts.
the TSI unit is awesome...but damn expensive...this is one case expensive equals the best
02-13-2005, 08:05 PM
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truemagellan your right, that TSI ECU is a damn good unit, and does have more options than the Greddy unit . Also I'am sure the guys at SFR/SSR are trying to keep the pricing very competitive, but of course we have to compare what we are getting here and it's potential...
02-13-2005, 08:44 PM
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Quick update, as some of you guys know I have been interested in both the TC and the SC for the 8.. well since I reported about the SFR/SSR putting out 292 at the wheels I figured I would call for an update on the Supercharger..When I asked for update they told me that they just finished the dynos and were very pleased.. But when I told them that SFR/SSR reported 292 hp at the wheels they said ( qoute) wow , no ******* way...... I don't know if that means that they are not even close, because they never said anything when I mentioned about Greddy's power... SSF/SSR may be on to something, we'll see soon.
02-13-2005, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Fanman
Also, isn't the Greddy E-01 unit both a E manage (A/F ratios, Timing, etc) & boost controller ? That might be a unit worth considering.
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GReddy's new super multi-tasker is the PRofec e-01 designed as a combination boost-controller, data display / logger and e-manage programmer. The e-01 can provide superior boost response, increased boost, warning meter functions, 3 channel data-logging and access to all the programming features provided with the latest e-manage support tool. Even when used as a boost controller only, the e-01 has features to smooth out the boost curve. With both an auto and manual setting for both external and actuator style wastegates, the new PRofec can alter its new compact, high capacity solenoid valve via various RPM ranges. The large LCD screen with green electro-luminescent backlighting is easy to see. Other standard features include two preset boost levels, a timed over-take boost and compatibility with our Remote Switching System. The data display can view 3 different data channels simultaneously such as boost, RPM or any other channel inputted by the e-manage. The data can be logged up for 3 hours on an SD card while also giving warning set points and peak and hold values. There is also a non-PRofec e-01 version that is only used for e-manage programming and datalogging. (Some features require optional harness to be accessed.)
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02-13-2005, 09:17 PM
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The E-01 is an add on to the E-Manage. It's a boost controller and a gui front end for the e-manage so you can do tuning w/o a laptop.
02-13-2005, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Rotoman
Quick update, as some of you guys know I have been interested in both the TC and the SC for the 8.. well since I reported about the SFR/SSR putting out 292 at the wheels I figured I would call for an update on the Supercharger..When I asked for update they told me that they just finished the dynos and were very pleased.. But when I told them that SFR/SSR reported 292 hp at the wheels they said ( qoute) wow , no ******* way...... I don't know if that means that they are not even close, because they never said anything when I mentioned about Greddy's power... SSF/SSR may be on to something, we'll see soon.
02-13-2005, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Fanman
Also, isn't the Greddy E-01 unit both a E manage (A/F ratios, Timing, etc) & boost controller ? That might be a unit worth considering.
You can control ignition timing, fuel injectors, airflow signal and boost right out of the box.
With the extra channels you can monitor A/F, control nitrous solenoids, the SDAIS and anything else you can think of.
Originally Posted by SSR Engineering
What about the people that want show winning looks as well as a great increase in power?
Your kit looks like a great custom-fabbed system, but it also looks "unfinished".
The Greedy is entirely hidden, so it doesn't look lke anything.
Both kits will need a bunch of finishing to look show-ready.
02-13-2005, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Yes, plus it gives you multiple digital and analog inputs and outputs to control lots of other stuff.
You can control ignition timing, fuel injectors, airflow signal and boost right out of the box.
With the extra channels you can monitor A/F, control nitrous solenoids, the SDAIS and anything else you can think of.
Well, you won't get that with either kit out of the box.
Your kit looks like a great custom-fabbed system, but it also looks "unfinished".
The Greedy is entirely hidden, so it doesn't look lke anything.
Both kits will need a bunch of finishing to look show-ready.
You can control ignition timing, fuel injectors, airflow signal and boost right out of the box.
With the extra channels you can monitor A/F, control nitrous solenoids, the SDAIS and anything else you can think of.
Well, you won't get that with either kit out of the box.
Your kit looks like a great custom-fabbed system, but it also looks "unfinished".
The Greedy is entirely hidden, so it doesn't look lke anything.
Both kits will need a bunch of finishing to look show-ready.
02-13-2005, 11:15 PM
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Great thankx True haha.. at least if I was the only one posted we would have known 
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I bet it's Pettit though.. HKS seems like they are pretty far off with their kit.
jk...I bet it's Pettit though.. HKS seems like they are pretty far off with their kit.
02-13-2005, 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Rotoman
Quick update, as some of you guys know I have been interested in both the TC and the SC for the 8.. well since I reported about the SFR/SSR putting out 292 at the wheels I figured I would call for an update on the Supercharger..When I asked for update they told me that they just finished the dynos and were very pleased.. But when I told them that SFR/SSR reported 292 hp at the wheels they said ( qoute) wow , no ******* way...... I don't know if that means that they are not even close, because they never said anything when I mentioned about Greddy's power... SSF/SSR may be on to something, we'll see soon.
02-14-2005, 12:35 AM
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If any of you guys want a turbo kit w/ the e-manage and you are in the San Diego area, I will personally pay for the tuning so we can have the e-manage as a pre-tuned option as well.
02-14-2005, 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by JeRKy 8 Owner
New Rx8? Ive had my Rx8 since August 2003 and only have about 20k miles left on my warranty. Itll takeme about a year and a half to finish it off. The way I see it is -- why postpone the inevitable? Wait another year and a half to drive my car the way I always wanted it to be when I could just do it now and end my suffering?
I dont autocross or do anything fancy really. Im not interested in anyof those other mods. Only the turbo kit.
Whatyou said is true for SOME people on here but let me behonest w/you - in my case I am upgrading primarily for better straight line performance. Like someone said earlier if I were concerned about outperforming other cars on the track I wouldhave already done **** loadsof suspension mods and said **** forced induction. A lot ofmembers probably wont admit it on here since its a general no-no on this forum - but they really do have an inner desire to woop some straight line *** - even if its from a stoplight.
Im definitely the former. Do I reallythink that majority of the people on here looking for a turbokit are in it for better track performance? Id say HELL NO - more of them want it for the speed. Most people donthave as many opportunities to enjoy a cars handling capabilities in regular day-to-day driving situations as they do w/speed. That need for speed isan urge easilysatisifed by simply being on a straight open road and pressing down on the gas. A lot of us would loveto take our cars to the track everyday if wecould - but realisticallythat is not an option. I already love the way my Rx8 handles - and nowI just want fulfillment in the one area in which I havefelt my car has been lacking in for the 16months Ive owned it for. And I wouldnt call SSR/SFRs kit a "crazy" power gain. Its notlike theyve turned the Rx8 into a 1000hp Supra - well at least not yet.
Im definitely the former. Do I reallythink that majority of the people on here looking for a turbokit are in it for better track performance? Id say HELL NO - more of them want it for the speed. Most people donthave as many opportunities to enjoy a cars handling capabilities in regular day-to-day driving situations as they do w/speed. That need for speed isan urge easilysatisifed by simply being on a straight open road and pressing down on the gas. A lot of us would loveto take our cars to the track everyday if wecould - but realisticallythat is not an option. I already love the way my Rx8 handles - and nowI just want fulfillment in the one area in which I havefelt my car has been lacking in for the 16months Ive owned it for. And I wouldnt call SSR/SFRs kit a "crazy" power gain. Its notlike theyve turned the Rx8 into a 1000hp Supra - well at least not yet.
The SSR/SFR kit is "relatively" a monster kit. Offering the biggest bang for now and that may be possible without internal mods.
Anyway... this kit isn't for everyone. It looks like a good option for you. For others that just want more grunt for daily driving, then GReddy works better for them. When Hymee, RP, Petite and other S/C kits hit the market, we'll see how things fair again then...
02-14-2005, 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by SSR Engineering
What about the people that want show winning looks as well as a great increase in power?
02-14-2005, 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Japan8
True enough... Just personally I always get it in the *** when I do something like that (i.e. some major breaks and no more warranty). But like I said.. I understand completely...
Same here... autocrossing and the drag strip is great for some, but me... I've seen daily drivers at the drag strip all modded up. They do the inital burnout to warm up their tires... roll up to the line... reving, waiting for the light... light changes and "KERCHUNK" the car dies. Locked the rearend up. Yup... he's gong to have fun getting home. The track? Not in my daily driver! As far as mods go...at least rims/tires would be something I'd do. The bodykit is an unknown. Stereo mods goes without saying.
Exactly. Like what Speed-ER Doc says about the Cobra he bought to replace his totalled 8... that power when you mash the pedal is fun and addictive. handling... if you don't track it, past a certain point, you'll hardly notice or be able to use it.
The SSR/SFR kit is "relatively" a monster kit. Offering the biggest bang for now and that may be possible without internal mods.
Anyway... this kit isn't for everyone. It looks like a good option for you. For others that just want more grunt for daily driving, then GReddy works better for them. When Hymee, RP, Petite and other S/C kits hit the market, we'll see how things fair again then...
Same here... autocrossing and the drag strip is great for some, but me... I've seen daily drivers at the drag strip all modded up. They do the inital burnout to warm up their tires... roll up to the line... reving, waiting for the light... light changes and "KERCHUNK" the car dies. Locked the rearend up. Yup... he's gong to have fun getting home. The track? Not in my daily driver! As far as mods go...at least rims/tires would be something I'd do. The bodykit is an unknown. Stereo mods goes without saying.
Exactly. Like what Speed-ER Doc says about the Cobra he bought to replace his totalled 8... that power when you mash the pedal is fun and addictive. handling... if you don't track it, past a certain point, you'll hardly notice or be able to use it.
The SSR/SFR kit is "relatively" a monster kit. Offering the biggest bang for now and that may be possible without internal mods.
Anyway... this kit isn't for everyone. It looks like a good option for you. For others that just want more grunt for daily driving, then GReddy works better for them. When Hymee, RP, Petite and other S/C kits hit the market, we'll see how things fair again then...
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02-14-2005, 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by SSR Engineering
Actually this kit is aimed for daily drivers, just because it produces more power then all of the other forms of F/I out there, doesen't make it less reliable. In fact reliability is a big concern with us, which is why we've included so many additional components to make this kit as reliable as possible, not to mention a life-time manufacturers warranty (does greddy, RP, or Petite offer that?). Just because the price is higher then the greddy doesen't make it less practical, haven't you ever heard of the saying "you get what you pay for"?
Now that being said... I never said your kit was unreliable just because it puts out more power.
As far as practicality goes... that's an individual thing... you can't say that it is based on what you've said (price, quality, parts, etc.). I am just interested in a few more ponies for daily driving, and at low cost. So this kit wouldn't be for me. That doesn't make it bad or "crap"... just not the right product for my needs. Other people here... they'll build their 8 into show cars, or they want to have the fastest 8 or just be faster than your average 350Z or S2000. This kit is for those people.
As far as Hymee and RP go... I can't say what their warranties will be like... they don't have a product out on the market yet... so I'd watch what I'm assuming there if I was you. I'm willing to bet their warranties will be long if not lifetime as well.
To sum it up... there is nothing to defend here. Your kit is built with TLC and high-end parts. It's target audience is different than GReddy and there is just simply a difference economy of scale going on here. And that's fine because we are all different with different tastes. I just gave my opinion on the kit, pricing, etc. with regards to what I like and my needs. It's not the thing for me, but it might be for several other members here. To each his own... :p
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02-14-2005, 12:41 PM
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My favorite part of the SFR web site about the turbo kit: "Attnetion to detail is what makes the Speed force Racing kit superior to anythng else being offered for the fourth gen RX-8."
They misspelled "attention" (amongst many other words).
They misspelled "attention" (amongst many other words).
02-14-2005, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by SpeedForceRacing
Check it.Its fixed.
I'm always aware of manufacturers with a super sleek brochure, only to find out they spent more time on the ad campaign than they did on their product.
02-14-2005, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by SpeedForceRacing
Check it.Its fixed.