SSR Engineering

No we got 287WHP @ 8 PSI With the use of the TSI ECU, Injectors, and the Boost control solenoid. We did not use the ball bearing option, or cat delete option, so technically there is still more power to be made with our system

SSR Engineering

The owner has the handle "SilverRX8" on here.

SSR Engineering

But component quality definitely wasn't your number one concern when you built your kit.

MazdaManiac

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With a comment like that, you can kiss my ***.

I built my system with high grade steel, a Turbonetics-built turbo, a custom made TIG welded intercooler and top grade clamps, hoses, bends and fasteners.
Brand name electronics, as well.

I was trying to be objective here, but if you are going to be insulting you can count on a different level of communication from now on.

If you were really concerned with high component quality, you wouldn't be using header wrap, a half-sized battery and a sleeve-bearing turbo as standard parts of your incomplete kit.

No matter how well assembled your header is, it still puts the turbo in front of the motor, making the heat radiation and loss through the pipes a significant issue - one that you attempt to address through some lovely header wrap.
Good job. That is real "show-quality".

Offering a kit with claimed dyno number and no integrated fuel management is simply irresponsible. Just as irresponsible as using a video of a solo pass down a busy street as your demo.

Fact is, you guys are just a bunch of posers.

smrx8

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mazdamanic how hard was it to make your own turbo i never found any information on you .

rotarygod

FWIW turbo placement whether in front of the engine, next to the engine or under the rear bumper at the back of the car is irrelevant if the turbo is sized properly.

However, it isn't hard to build a very nice properly constructed turbo kit for fairly cheap. I guarantee that I can build my own system and rival anyone else's workmanship at twice the price. I don't have the time to do it though and I'm not a business so I won't. Just don't be led to think that only one person or place can do top quality work. Jeff is pretty good. Admittedly not everyone can do this type of work but it's not to say it can't be done somewhere else for cheaper. I agree that $7000 is WAY too high. I know how much all of this costs to do. If I could get $7000 for a system, I'd probably find a way to build them too.

Not to sound bashing, I think the SSR kit looks fantastic and I'm glad it's here. It produces fantastic power. I'm equally glad to see people like Jeff build their own systems rather than just jump on the latest rage to hit the market bandwagon. Personally I'm more impressed with homemade attempts than simply buying a kit but I am glad the aftermarket is here to inspire those who can and help those who can't. I say good job to both parties.

davefzr

Leave it to the voice of a god to calm everyone down.. Augghhhhh

SSR Engineering

You act surprised to see the price set at what it is. In all reality the price for our kit is very fair, and comparing our kit to a Greddy Kit is apples to oranges. We never intended to compete with Greddy on any level, and it's more then obvious when you compare the two kits together.

Next thing "Offering a kit with no integrated fuel management is irresponsible" Tell that to HKS, Greddy, Blitz and other big name companies. What do you get with their "Turbo Kits" You get a manifold, downpipe, oil lines, intake, turbo and a wastegate. You don't get things like heatwrap, an intercooler, or a fuel system for that matter. It's all optional incase you want to do something yourself or have different goals in mind.

Also Heat radiation isn't a big issue with stainless steel since it has excellent heat retention properties

As for your poser comment, the RX-8 isn't the only car we've successfully turbocharged, tuned or built. Skylines, Supras, FD RX-7s, Porsches, and handfuls of exotics, wide ranges of swaps including custom swaps.

MazdaManiac

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I'm mostly concerned with heat in the already-hot RX-8 engine bay. Even after a hard driving session, my underhood temps are the same as stock.

Thanks, Fred.

https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-major-horsepower-upgrades-93/building-custom-turbo-rx-8-a-46776/

Obvious? The Greddy kit comes with a cast manifold, a properly sized intercooler, no header wrap and, more importantly, a tuned engine management system. If you spend the money to upgrade the few components that are "sub-par" in the Greddy kit (hose clamps are about it), you are still under $4000 for a kit that can produce just as much power.

None of those companies sell their kits without some way to address fueling. Sometimes it is only a rising rate fuel pressure regulator, but Greddy, HKS and Blitz would never send a complete kit out the door without fuel management.
Moreover, I'd never buy a kit that listed header wrap as a component. At best it is an accessory and a band aid. Try again.

Right. As good as ceramic? No. As good as not having hot components where they shouldn't be? Definitely no.

Similar here. So why does this kit cost so much for such bad engineering?

burnoutking999

that was f-ing ignorant.!!!!! once agian ssr has blown a thread wide open with stupidity. You people are not going to sell one of those "kits" with that attidude. Im sorry but i respect the hell of of that thread where he(SINGULARLY) MADE HIS OWN **** AND IT WORKED TO A TEE!. As a potential turbo buyer you just made my decision that much easier. Thanks, josh.

Broke_Apex_Seal

Everyone take a deep breath and relax. No need to thrash each other. SSR has been on and off for the past year!Very flaky IMO, but they are trickling out some stuff and if true could be a nice kit. Prices are not everything well at least to me anyways. Once they are done I will make a reply based on FACTS not speculation as 99% of people in here do.

army_rx8

^see you had to go and post that..now i can't make any soeculation haha just kidding. i do agree with you though a lot of peopel just kinda off and run with some things and make comments tehy shouldn't......although it wasn't very nice and rather rude and imature for ssr to say what they did about MazdaManiac. last i checked he had a kicka$$ set up. insults (ssr) only hurt your own credibility. i think i'd rather make my own turbo at teh moment. thanks for helping me make up my mind ssr:p hehehe goo dluck with all your future projects. now everyone lets have a big hug.

JeRKy 8 Owner

I was under the impression that having a fuel management system w/this car was the onlyway to get a turbo kit towork (properly) on the Rx8. Are yousaying that we can install your kit w/o a fuel management system and everythingwill work just fine? I personally doubt that.

I agree w/what Jeff has stated here. Youshould have included everything necessary w/your kit so that it would work straight out of the box. Theway you have it now - technically you HAVE to pay $1395 for the engine management system thatyou guys offer (or buy a different fuel system for a similar price) in addition to the $5495 for the actual kit. That brings the total preinstall price to around $7000 net. I dontknow why I didnt realize this before. Thats disappointing to hear since Iwaslooking to spend 8k max forthe kit + entire installation.

I thought Iwas going to have a ready to install turbo kit for $5495 + shipping.

MazdaManiac

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Just to add a data point -

I actualy laid my hands on this system at SEMA almost 5 months ago when they stated it was ready to go.

Remember this picture that I took:



The only issue they were still dealing with was engine management.
I'm not really speculating about much.

Funny how that is not even an included item in the system...

dmp

You are under the correct impression - SSR doesn't sell turbo kits...they sell turbo parts. A 'kit' implies everything you need.

It'd be like buying a yard 'Shed Kit' without the flooring.
It'd be like buying a 'Ship in a bottle kit' without the bottle.

It's not a 'kit'. It is useless to attach to a car (assuming nobody wants their engine ruined) without the fueling 'option'.

As I said somewhere else: "If you have to charge $55000 for the parts, and $1100 to fuel it, bundle it together and charge $6,500 for the 'kit'."

MazdaManiac

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Oh, BTW -

This is my 1300 post since switching to the MazdaManiac handle. :p

Broke_Apex_Seal

I like pizza

Rotoman

Hey Mazdamaniac, You opened your mouth ,Now you say your turbo puts out 275hp at the wheels ,prove it where's your Dynos for us to see..

dmp

He's not trying to sell his. He's got nothing to prove. It doesn't hurt anyone if his kit makes 200whp or 450whp. He's not out to get anyone's money.

Rotoman

Come on you know that's Not the point, he's making a statement , he's trying to put down SFR/SSR for pricing or what ever.. When people open their mouths they should prove their point or don't bring it up from the beginning....

dmp

I apologize for speaking for Jeff....however...

Go back and look at the POINT of jeff's replies.

I take it that Jeff's "point" is, selling a 'turbo kit' for $5500 then making customers PAY MORE for a way to USE said kit is ridiculous.

bureau13

I TOLD you you should sell your kit :-)

bureau13

I guess I'm in the "it depends" camp. Yes, you have to use fuel management of some sort to use their (or anyone else's) turbo kit. Do they imply that you don't? (I'm asking here, I really haven't read their ad copy or anything other than posts on here). Just offering it without the electronics does not in and of itself imply this...if they think customers are going to want to use their own preferred method of fuel management then why make everyone pay for their chosen unit only to throw it away? If that's the reason, there should probably be giant bold text saying "MUST USE SOME SORT OF UPGRADED FUEL MANAGEMENT SOLUTION WITH THIS KIT" but pricing them ala carte is OK.

jds

rotarygod

Just to be fair SSR did insult him too.

Here's a point for you. You've been on this forum as a huge supporter of the SSR kit. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. It's a nice system. However, you've gone to the axial flow syupercharger thread and wrongly stated that a turbo will always make more power than a supercharger. Actually you said "the turbo will win" when asked by another member "which one is better?" That's about as nonfactual based blanket statement as you can get. You've been pretty fast to lay claim against other systems out there that aren't the SSR kit and now you are arguing with someone when it comes to the only kit you support. Doesn't that seem like a little of a double standard to you? You've also stated that your "race mechanic" has told you that a turbo is better which really means that you don't know how to work on your own car nor do you know how to design or fabricate anything yourself, let alone build your own turbo kit. I just really find it funny that someone with no experience can actually question or make demands from those that actually do have the ability to do things themselves such as Jeff. From now on you yourself should prove your own abilities or don't bring anything up about anyone else anymore. You don't have the experience to make such arguments.

BTW: I'm not bashing or being mean to you as a person. I'm just pointing out the facts. You can't get mad at facts.

rudy8

oh sure, now youre trying to use smoke and mirrors with handle changes...
ha ha

congrats on so many posts,,,how do you have time to make such nice turbos?