V8 in the RX8?
11-07-2005 | 11:15 AM
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I saw an LS1 swapped FD RX-7 a few weeks ago at Road America. The engine fit surprisingly well and was only a few inches in front of the shock towers. I was wanting to take a ride in the car on the track, but the guy was having cooling issues.
He was overwhelmingly complimentary of the chassis as he explained how he wanted the best available chassis to handle the power but still be a feather-weight. Sad thing was, he'd never driven the car with the rotary, he purchased the car with a blown engine and went straight for the swap.
He was overwhelmingly complimentary of the chassis as he explained how he wanted the best available chassis to handle the power but still be a feather-weight. Sad thing was, he'd never driven the car with the rotary, he purchased the car with a blown engine and went straight for the swap.
11-07-2005 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Red Devil
I saw an LS1 swapped FD RX-7 a few weeks ago at Road America. The engine fit surprisingly well and was only a few inches in front of the shock towers. I was wanting to take a ride in the car on the track, but the guy was having cooling issues.
He was overwhelmingly complimentary of the chassis as he explained how he wanted the best available chassis to handle the power but still be a feather-weight. Sad thing was, he'd never driven the car with the rotary, he purchased the car with a blown engine and went straight for the swap.
He was overwhelmingly complimentary of the chassis as he explained how he wanted the best available chassis to handle the power but still be a feather-weight. Sad thing was, he'd never driven the car with the rotary, he purchased the car with a blown engine and went straight for the swap.
11-07-2005 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by epitrochoid
THESE ARE NOT RALLY CARS!!!!! a factory sti/evo on a rally course is just the same as a ford taurus on a nascar circuit.
The sti and evo are boy racer cars.... my buddy has a sti, he'd be the first to tell you that they're are boy racer cars.
Personaly, I would not want my rx8 sounding like a John Deer lawn mower.
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11-07-2005 | 06:11 PM
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06 pontiac GTO:All-aluminum 6.0L Gen IV LS2 V8 engine with 400 hp and 400 lb-ft torque..
my bad....shoulda read the first page..>_<
my bad....shoulda read the first page..>_<
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11-07-2005 | 08:59 PM
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Why think V8? Why not 3 rotor if you want power?
There is a certain way a light weight sports car is suppose to handle. You definately do not need 400-500 lbs of torque in 1st gear. Thats just usless.
In america we are so caught up in hp#s...WTF...when I saw a 240z with a blown LS6 makinf like 500 hp....thing could not get tracktion at all. it did a burn out down the 1/4 mile. Now thats stupid. What a waste of money. But hey it got him a dyno queen and braging rights.
WE are so conerned about power what about the dynamics of the car? No one ever pays attention to that because in drag racing we could care less where the engine is, how good the breaks are or how the car is designed.
You will loose certain aspect of what makes the 8 so good. And that is a low center inertia. Think Formula 1 race cars where the engine is mounted as close to the center and as low as possible. Trust mazda with its handling tune.
There is a certain way a light weight sports car is suppose to handle. You definately do not need 400-500 lbs of torque in 1st gear. Thats just usless.
In america we are so caught up in hp#s...WTF...when I saw a 240z with a blown LS6 makinf like 500 hp....thing could not get tracktion at all. it did a burn out down the 1/4 mile. Now thats stupid. What a waste of money. But hey it got him a dyno queen and braging rights.
WE are so conerned about power what about the dynamics of the car? No one ever pays attention to that because in drag racing we could care less where the engine is, how good the breaks are or how the car is designed.
You will loose certain aspect of what makes the 8 so good. And that is a low center inertia. Think Formula 1 race cars where the engine is mounted as close to the center and as low as possible. Trust mazda with its handling tune.
Last edited by Rockapotamus; 11-07-2005 at 09:04 PM.
11-07-2005 | 09:06 PM
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Either way, an LSx motor or 20B is going to throw off the balance of the car. 20B's are heavy and quite a bit longer than the 13B. It would sit lower than the V8 though. I'd rather get at the potential of the Renesis personally, but I don't want 300whp, 220-240 would make me happy. But I also have a 4port motor. I love the balance of the car as is, and would hate to upset it.
My idea of the perfect car is now lightweight with moderate horsepower and great handling. I used to be a member of the big hp fanclub, but as a wise man once said..."quickness through lightness."
My idea of the perfect car is now lightweight with moderate horsepower and great handling. I used to be a member of the big hp fanclub, but as a wise man once said..."quickness through lightness."
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11-07-2005 | 09:18 PM
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Its about how a car responds because a motor doesnt just make a car...its the total package.
You guys are gifted with such a good, light RWD car. I mean how many articles have been written where they say the RX-8 is a driver's car? Dont you find it weird that this car had been loved and praised overseas...yet gets no respect here? I have driven alot of cars and there is nothing smoother then a renisis. Car may lack a little bit compared to turbo rotaries...but the suspention is on par and actually better then the Spirit R RX7 in terms of street roads.
If I was you I would spend more in suspention mods and be happy with a bit moer power. I can show you a video of a good driver with good suspention in a stock boost/engine FD beating a 400 hp GT-R.
You guys are gifted with such a good, light RWD car. I mean how many articles have been written where they say the RX-8 is a driver's car? Dont you find it weird that this car had been loved and praised overseas...yet gets no respect here? I have driven alot of cars and there is nothing smoother then a renisis. Car may lack a little bit compared to turbo rotaries...but the suspention is on par and actually better then the Spirit R RX7 in terms of street roads.
If I was you I would spend more in suspention mods and be happy with a bit moer power. I can show you a video of a good driver with good suspention in a stock boost/engine FD beating a 400 hp GT-R.
11-08-2005 | 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by therm8
Either way, an LSx motor or 20B is going to throw off the balance of the car. 20B's are heavy and quite a bit longer than the 13B. It would sit lower than the V8 though. I'd rather get at the potential of the Renesis personally, but I don't want 300whp, 220-240 would make me happy. But I also have a 4port motor. I love the balance of the car as is, and would hate to upset it."
11-13-2005 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by epitrochoid
take any sti/evo off the showroom floor and take it on a rally course, you'll get a great laugh.
THESE ARE NOT RALLY CARS!!!!! a factory sti/evo on a rally course is just the same as a ford taurus on a nascar circuit. manufacturers sponsor race teams to sell cars, and it doesn't do much good to put a car in front of an audience that can't go out and buy something that looks and acts like it. yes, i know the chassis are similar, the engines are smiliar, yeah that's great and all, but the point is both mitsubishi and subaru (and others, but that's all we get in the US) have taken econoboxes and strapped larger wheels, a bigger motor, a turbo, and AWD onto it. yes they're fast, faster than an rx-8 sure....but they're still boy racer cars that mimic things they are not.
THESE ARE NOT RALLY CARS!!!!! a factory sti/evo on a rally course is just the same as a ford taurus on a nascar circuit. manufacturers sponsor race teams to sell cars, and it doesn't do much good to put a car in front of an audience that can't go out and buy something that looks and acts like it. yes, i know the chassis are similar, the engines are smiliar, yeah that's great and all, but the point is both mitsubishi and subaru (and others, but that's all we get in the US) have taken econoboxes and strapped larger wheels, a bigger motor, a turbo, and AWD onto it. yes they're fast, faster than an rx-8 sure....but they're still boy racer cars that mimic things they are not.
i never said it was a rally car i just said i may be buyist because of the looks but as for how the car performs see here
fq400 vs murci
I KNOW U CAN'T GET THAT IN THE STATES BUT ITS THE SAME CAR WITH JUST MORE HP. all i'm tring to say is that they are not rice. a wrx with a super street sticker is rice. an all APC car is also rice but a car that is based off of a rally car and can walk our cars for the same price i don;t think thats too bad JMO
11-13-2005 | 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Moonrover333
i never said it was a rally car i just said i may be buyist because of the looks but as for how the car performs see here
fq400 vs murci
I KNOW U CAN'T GET THAT IN THE STATES BUT ITS THE SAME CAR WITH JUST MORE HP. all i'm tring to say is that they are not rice. a wrx with a super street sticker is rice. an all APC car is also rice but a car that is based off of a rally car and can walk our cars for the same price i don;t think thats too bad JMO
fq400 vs murci
I KNOW U CAN'T GET THAT IN THE STATES BUT ITS THE SAME CAR WITH JUST MORE HP. all i'm tring to say is that they are not rice. a wrx with a super street sticker is rice. an all APC car is also rice but a car that is based off of a rally car and can walk our cars for the same price i don;t think thats too bad JMO
Those two cars, whether they're rally or not, are not my concern. I am not a rally driver, nor will I ever be. I simply spoke about the lack of maturity, beauty, and aesthetics that cars such as the RX8 and the G35 coupe possess. The STI and the EVO simply look cheap. They're tweaked-up econo boxes, whereas, the other two, are pristine road GT's. I've compared them externally. Let's not even go to the interiors. Now, if you showed me an EVO, that looked like the 2009 concept and told me it has 350 HP for $30 grand, I'd buy it immediately. However, until the stlyling grows up, I'll stick to cars that won't put me in the "boy-racer" category, which, btw, is flooded with Civics.
11-13-2005 | 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzardsluck
wow when i saw this thread i thought i was still looking at the rx7 site. i still am not sure why everyone picks on the 8 for being powerless. people talk like it is a geo metro.
when your daily driver puts 400 to the wheels, yea...the 8 is slow.
but that doesn't mean it's not fun
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