I hate it when you say that - but you are right ............

 

If you are an idiot its even more likely I guess. How many motors did you go through?

I'm coming up on 10k miles turbocharged with over 300 whp with 0 engine problems whatsoever. There are other people with 100k miles on their car, tens of thousands of which forced induction with no failures. Out of the small sample size of FI RX-8s the vast majority of failed engines occured when FI was very new and poor engine management was the only tuning option, when critical systems failed resulting in the blown engine, or people pushing the car and turbo systems way outside their efficiency range. Saying your engine WILL pop is both misleading and annoying.

 

I put 40,000km on my GReddy kit and the actual manifold died and my engine is still running strong!!

 

Stupidity Blows engines. That is all.

 

Yes, like adding an aftermarket turbocharger system to a high compression rotary engine.

 

I'm wondering - do you engage in the rest of your day-to-day activities with this sort of glib, parochial ignorance or is it a talent you save for us?

 

You can buy a car stock with a turbo charging system and a compression ratio higher than 10:1. The compression ratio isn't really a big deal if you aren't A) running a carburetor and B) aren't going to run a billion PSI. It's just a parameter in the balancing act. Seriously, people whine about blowing motors in the 8 like it doesn't happen on every other platform out there or that the FC and FD were somehow magically bulletproof.

 

32,000 miles on my turbo setup with the original snail, 7 psi, AP, yukon coils. The car is amazing, 3.14159265 times better than the awesome feel you got when you first drove the RX-8. At 9 psi the car is epic. Player haters.

 

I like pi(e).
Who did your tune?

 

Yes, it's all for you, darling.

Once the majority of FI Renesis engines make it well past 75k miles boosted without blowing up, then I'll take it all back...in fact, if the majority didn't experience busted apex seals with <50k miles, that would be a big plus.

Until then, I stand behind my glib, parochial statements of observed facts.

You guys seem to be on the right track with better engine management, a better turbo, and better supporting mods. Only time will tell if these are sufficient to compensate for the Achilles' heel of the apex seal.

Really though, I am watching this board so I can see how much power Kane & Ray's beast makes with porting and a GT30r. Better still if it lasts 100k miles w/o grenading an apex seal.

 

I wasn't arguing that its not easy to break a Renesis.

I was commenting on the indefensible and completely uninformed statement that you made with regards to the relationship of static compression ratio and aftermarket FI.

 

I think the pettit guys, the turbo guys who actually invested the time and effort into understanding what they were doing before slapping a snail on their motor, and the guys who knew they didn't know jack crap and found a good tuner would all disagree with the notion that FI = fail.

Just a simple reading of these boards would show the wide variety of FI options that are out there... more then a few that are time tested and working well. Any jack-off can buy an ebay turbo and slap it on his 8 (and many do) then come to the boards crying about why it sucks. The guys who dont have issues are the guys who are in the more technical threads debating parameters that quickly weed out the noobs from the true enthusiast.

I would add one thing, you are in a much better place for FI if you like wrenching on your own car. Being able to inspect and replace things is something anyone who loves the rotary should be able to do.

 

How many times have you rebuilt the turbo?

 

Same turbo from the kit, never rebuilt

 

agree laythor--well said.
I sure have learned a lot and i think this car is going to keep me from developing alzheimers!
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