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Old 09-30-2007, 02:04 AM
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tajabaho1, Get a Holinger tranny from well Holinger!. If you need to know the 2 types they make let me know I'll post the PDF. They make 2 right now that will fit our car, 1 handles up to 550+hp the other 350+hp Or they can custom builtd them for your HP needs or you can get the 350+hp one and upgrade the already dog gears, gears for more power. Let me know if you need the tech contact info. This with Rays rear and the Mazsport will be my set up. Maybe some other mods too who knows Just keep in mide not to may AT Cars out there right now have the FI options that we have and thats a fact. Thats 1 reason why we dumped the 3GEclipse.
If it makes you feel any better go read what I posted in HERE!
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hallo? testing testing, I just got infraction on the web(?.?) anyways,
jedi, I took out the tranny and had to replace my flexplate because it was fucked to the core (got one from mazdatrix) and I took out the clutch pack which is probably the reason why( and I dont even know if anyone else has my problems) when I manually shift gears and let go of the gas, let it shift THEN press the gas again, it makes that wierd pushy feeling (mine looks beatened and went through WW2) I'm trying to do some more stuff on it, but need to be next month, I'm broke for this month, +the money I have to save up for the No2 installation
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If you have a 6 or 4 speed AT I would not try to sound like a MT and let off the gas well the gears are shifting. That just don't sound right. I keep my foot on the gas. Might shift at a high rpm than a norm AT cars but I still keep on it.
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I shift when I let go of the gas and coming to a stop =.=
Idk, its just a habbit, I definitly dont try to look like an MT since when I'm "ahem" *CRUISING* I actually use the paddle shifters, they are wayyyy faster than shifting with your ****
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and dom, what tranny is that? I dont really want to get a custom tranny, I just want to reinforce mine, and I'm that kinda guy who does everything himself.......you know, installing and modding the car, and I like this tranny, it looks like its got alotta potential, its just so watered down that it sucks.......
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Originally Posted by DOMINION
If you have a 6 or 4 speed AT I would not try to sound like a MT and let off the gas well the gears are shifting. That just don't sound right. I keep my foot on the gas. Might shift at a high rpm than a norm AT cars but I still keep on it.
My 2cents.
Gil: When/if you FI you will have to reconsider the way you allow it to shift. Your a/t has a PCM of its own and with the removal of the rev limiters and red line it will be a little confused (its not as smart as the engine computer) and tries to protect the internals. If going for boost runs (over 7000 rpm) you will/may have to lift momentarily to let it shift. It likes to be at or below 8000 RPM before giving a smooth shift (you can force it to shift higher but I think the a/t would be very shot lived).

Are you sure about that after market trans working in the 8? When contacted earlier they were only guaranteeing use in the 7s due to the 8s pcm. They told me, several months ago, that there was no hurry for the 8s and most likely would not even be looked at for another year.
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can't we just try to reinforce this one? the housing is pretty much very durable, the only sad part are the internal components being very fragile and mostly made of aluminum sheets or something.......
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Originally Posted by tajabaho1
can't we just try to reinforce this one? the housing is pretty much very durable, the only sad part are the internal components being very fragile and mostly made of aluminum sheets or something.......
I believe we can, but aluminum still may be the metal of choice (and $). I think that most of those "fragile parts" will not be necessary to change as they are not directly related to torque or pressure. Keep in mind that, very simply put, the transmission is just a series of "pumps" (and again simply put) so most of the shifting changes will be to the "pumps". Now the torque converter is another animal but also achievable. All these changes have to be afordable - right now for $10,000.00 you can have a custom trans buit that will work with your PCM, can you aford it?

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I see, damn man, are you ever gonna come down here to CA phil? I think we need to have a major talk about this before I order 2-3 new AT trannies from the junkyard....
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I see, damn man, are you ever gonna come down here to CA phil? I think we need to have a major talk about this before I order 2-3 new AT trannies from the junkyard....
Hell I was born in LB and still have family in the area but I left 45 years ago and only come back for Seven Stock and family emergencies. Remember what I said earlier that innovation will win the day. I'm kinda old school and may not think like you will. It is possible that what I think is impossible you will see differently. If we talk in other than generalities I may influence your thinking and stop something that may have worked. The only thing that I would point out is that it does not have to be built to resemble a tank and needs to be very light. It also needs to be affordable.
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I was thinking more along the lines of an APC, I mean, it doesn't have to withstand bullets, just a massively hot spinning engine..........
and regardless of you influencing me or not, I highly believe that your knowledge would probably save me from doing alot of stupid ****, and I might hit jackpot someday
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Originally Posted by tajabaho1
I was thinking more along the lines of an APC, I mean, it doesn't have to withstand bullets, just a massively hot spinning engine..........
and regardless of you influencing me or not, I highly believe that your knowledge would probably save me from doing alot of stupid ****, and I might hit jackpot someday
In order to make the tranny affordable and desirable you need to use as much of the stock stuff as you can, yes other trannys may fit but changing the pcm is going to break you (I do not want to go here cuz I am not sure of what I think I know). Weight is another factor, we need to keep the weight and the alignment the same or we will loose handling. Mounts need to be placed in the same locations as the current ones cuz again we are dealing with handling. You may be an engineer and be able to re-figure the weight and placement but I am not. When you enter the trans you will see that there little room for putting different pieces in there, use your engineering knowhow and figure what is needed for the new stress. You may find that very little needs to be done as that fragile looking alum. piece is not that fragile. It ain't no use making a bullet proof trans and ruin the handling and performance. I'm willing to help but I can't comment unless I know where your going and you may be going beyond my knowledge.
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thanks man, I'll let u know whats sup when I drop the tranny again, right now I'm on a whim again
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Originally Posted by DOMINION
If you have a 6 or 4 speed AT I would not try to sound like a MT and let off the gas well the gears are shifting. That just don't sound right. I keep my foot on the gas. Might shift at a high rpm than a norm AT cars but I still keep on it.
My 2cents.
I actually do that more than often.. Letting go of the gas while shifting..
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At = can't drive

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^???? 4 post count doesn't qualify you to say **** about me, boing flip!
My extensive racing background in supersport, Moto-X, and snowcross does. Sat in for a race in the Perrelli Porsche cup for Andrew Sweetenham when he was injured.

Pick any track you want and lose your car. Bitch.
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^ aha......... huh?
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Originally Posted by SpeedMK
My extensive racing background in supersport, Moto-X, and snowcross does. Sat in for a race in the Perrelli Porsche cup for Andrew Sweetenham when he was injured.

Pick any track you want and lose your car. Bitch.
Oh man, how can you say something like that when you're so... new? You're probably just a 16 year old kid who's trying to pretend... I love how people just show up on this forum and start posting idiotic things... SpeedMK is a perfect example of it.
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Originally Posted by SpeedMK
My extensive racing background in supersport, Moto-X, and snowcross does. Sat in for a race in the Perrelli Porsche cup for Andrew Sweetenham when he was injured.

Pick any track you want and lose your car. Bitch.
If your so great (and I'm not saying that you think your not) then what are you doing on an a/t only thread. Please take your m/t only mentality back to the appropriate threads and talk a little s**t to others. There are plenty of good racers on the appropriate forums that will "talk to you". Some of us are not trying to be snobby racers, just week-enders having a little fun with our "lowly" a/ts
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Pick any track you want and lose your car. Bitch.
I don't know why but I laughed at this..
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that guy just hates me
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^ phil, you broke my heart when you said "lowly AT"
You should have noted the " around lowly. I don't think he hated you before but I am sure he does now or will shortly. I asked nicely to move this thread just so knowitalls would be less likely to but in.
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lol, one more thing I found out btw, our tranny is compatible with a lockout torque converter, or so the tranny expert guy told me, and he said because our cars have shitty torque, he said if we get a lockout or amplifying torque convert (what ever the hell that is) we can have even more torque and possibly tolerate 9k rpm on a daily basis, what do you think phil?
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Originally Posted by tajabaho1
lol, one more thing I found out btw, our tranny is compatible with a lockout torque converter, or so the tranny expert guy told me, and he said because our cars have shitty torque, he said if we get a lockout or amplifying torque convert (what ever the hell that is) we can have even more torque and possibly tolerate 9k rpm on a daily basis, what do you think phil?
Good advise - your guy knows something. Before doing anything consider if your going to FI and which way you would go cuz the low end torque will change if you do. Figuring 9K daily is a little high cuz most of the aux items will not like that (water pumps, alternators, etc.). Just stay a little below 9K and you will not have to redesign the entire car. Use caution on the range of the lockout, cuz your still trying to drive on the street. Be sure and get his prices and be setting down when you do. PM me his pricing, name and number if you would.

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ok so he is not just trying to get my money huh, I ma go talk to him then, I am thinking of putting my redline at 9k, but probably shift point at 8.5k, I'll see what I can do


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