Comparison of magnetic fuel filters
04-26-2007, 10:56 AM
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Comparison of magnetic fuel filters
Has anyone compared the 2 types of magnetic fuel filters (the one that clips on the fuel line and the one that needs the fuel line to be cut in order to be installed)? Will the one that lets the fuel pass through it directly be more efficient than the one that clips on top of it so the fuel doesn't directly touch the magnet?
Hope you understand my poor explanation
Hope you understand my poor explanation
04-26-2007, 11:16 AM
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It is a proven fact that the magnet trick doesn't work. However if you are seriously interested in increasing your MPG, I recommend you get the Vortex from ebay.
04-26-2007, 12:18 PM
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It is a proven fact that the magnet trick doesn't work. However if you are seriously interested in increasing your MPG, I recommend you get the Vortex from ebay.
Your being sarcastic right? Haa...good one...
04-26-2007, 02:56 PM
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wouldn't that decrease performance as well (Vortex filter) - since it reduces air flow?
The best way to increase MPG in our cars is simply to shift before 5k...like thats gonna happen haa haa
04-26-2007, 05:34 PM
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if its as cheap and easy to increase power as a magnet or $0.13 of sheet metal, then why didn't your 30K car come that way from the factory?
Better yet, why dont 100K cars have them?
Better yet, why dont 100K cars have them?
04-26-2007, 09:07 PM
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Since we're on the topic of magnets what does everyone think of the ones that go over oil filters and on trans pans in order to capture more metal particles?
04-26-2007, 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by lone_wolf025
Since we're on the topic of magnets what does everyone think of the ones that go over oil filters and on trans pans in order to capture more metal particles?
04-26-2007, 11:53 PM
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A magnetic drain plug or oil filter magnet are usable items as they help catch and hold any metal in the oil. Just don't use the magnets that claim a mpg increase. You won't get one.
04-27-2007, 12:51 AM
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Regardless of whether magnetics will provide more mpg or not, Magnetism is always good for many applications. I use them in my house central heating as well as in the water supplu and I am convinced that it is good. The chemical modification of the fuel´s or water´s molecules convert the liquid to something different than it was before so the water that you drink is better for your body and the fuel is better for the engines life and smooth operation
04-27-2007, 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by andreasy
Regardless of whether magnetics will provide more mpg or not, Magnetism is always good for many applications. I use them in my house central heating as well as in the water supplu and I am convinced that it is good. The chemical modification of the fuel´s or water´s molecules convert the liquid to something different than it was before so the water that you drink is better for your body and the fuel is better for the engines life and smooth operation
but magents chemically modify nothing. The only thing they would alter is the orientation of polar molecules.
This is true, magnets are good things, the CRT screen you are probably looking at is using magnetic fields to shoot electrons at the screen in specific patterns to allow you to read this message.
Yes magnets can align things and make them "flow smoother" because of this alignment. But only because this alignment. In fact the magnet in the fuel line will slow the stream of fuel slightly due to changing the direction of the molecules. linear momentum is converted to spin and velocity is lost. That and the second the fuel takes a bend in a pipe the alignment is lost.
So basically fuel magnets= slowing fuel delivery.
04-27-2007, 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by deadphoenix52
rotary performance actually promotes that one, so im much more inclined to believe the hype, if you will. im curious about these too. anyone?
04-27-2007, 02:04 AM
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Sweet,
but magents chemically modify nothing. The only thing they would alter is the orientation of polar molecules.
This is true, magnets are good things, the CRT screen you are probably looking at is using magnetic fields to shoot electrons at the screen in specific patterns to allow you to read this message.
Yes magnets can align things and make them "flow smoother" because of this alignment. But only because this alignment. In fact the magnet in the fuel line will slow the stream of fuel slightly due to changing the direction of the molecules. linear momentum is converted to spin and velocity is lost. That and the second the fuel takes a bend in a pipe the alignment is lost.
So basically fuel magnets= slowing fuel delivery.
but magents chemically modify nothing. The only thing they would alter is the orientation of polar molecules.
This is true, magnets are good things, the CRT screen you are probably looking at is using magnetic fields to shoot electrons at the screen in specific patterns to allow you to read this message.
Yes magnets can align things and make them "flow smoother" because of this alignment. But only because this alignment. In fact the magnet in the fuel line will slow the stream of fuel slightly due to changing the direction of the molecules. linear momentum is converted to spin and velocity is lost. That and the second the fuel takes a bend in a pipe the alignment is lost.
So basically fuel magnets= slowing fuel delivery.
04-27-2007, 05:20 AM
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Some salespeople came to my house trying to sell me $3,000 magnetic mattress. They claim it helps improve the blood circulation and all. They provided newspaper cutouts about it, but when I asked if using the magnetic mattress would have any harmful side effects, they produced a medical report about how MRI scanners are safe as magnets have no or little effect on humans.
So I asked them, if magnets have no or little effect on humans, then why are you all trying to sell me a $3,000 magnetic mattress? Then I showed them the door.
So I asked them, if magnets have no or little effect on humans, then why are you all trying to sell me a $3,000 magnetic mattress? Then I showed them the door.
04-27-2007, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by andreasy
Regardless of whether magnetics will provide more mpg or not, Magnetism is always good for many applications. I use them in my house central heating as well as in the water supplu and I am convinced that it is good. The chemical modification of the fuel´s or water´s molecules convert the liquid to something different than it was before so the water that you drink is better for your body and the fuel is better for the engines life and smooth operation
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This is the part that cracks me up. What if the something different is bad, you don't know what it is, it's just "something different"?
Whatever it does is only for the moment the water/fuel is near the magnet, what about the rest of its journey, like when you put the water in a glass do the molecules stay lined up then???
Whatever it does is only for the moment the water/fuel is near the magnet, what about the rest of its journey, like when you put the water in a glass do the molecules stay lined up then???
Originally Posted by andreasy
The chemical modification of the fuel´s or water´s molecules convert the liquid to something different than it was before so the water that you drink is better for your body and the fuel is better for the engines life and smooth operation
04-27-2007, 12:23 PM
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In order for this to work, you also have to get the magnetic air filter in order to get the air molecules and the gasoline molecules lined up the same way. Perhaps you've heard of the corriolis effect? This is the chorus-line effect.
The ladies in this picture achieve perfect alignment by means of a large magnet placed by the choreographer under the floor panels.
The ladies in this picture achieve perfect alignment by means of a large magnet placed by the choreographer under the floor panels.
04-27-2007, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by andreasy
wouldn't that decrease performance as well (Vortex filter) - since it reduces air flow?
The Vortex allignes the air and puts a spin on it simulating a tornado. The Vortex would be the top of the tornado and the air would speed up further down the line and go into your engine.
It also reduces drag on the air. Some people think that the only way to reduce the drag between the air and piping is to bore out the piping; but the Vortex "bores out" the air. Every try catching a ball that is spinning? It's much harder than catching a ball that is not spinning. The same applies to the Vortex. It spins the air to reduce its drag.
Some people try to debunk the Vortex by asking the age old question "If it's so good, then why don't we use it?" The truth is that it's not worth it. Car companies would much rather sell you a new car with and electric engine than sell you a $2 part that would make your gas engine give you the same MPG. It's all about the money for them.
04-27-2007, 03:54 PM
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The Vortex is a highly underappreciated piece of sophisticated technology and there are proven theories of why it works.
The Vortex allignes the air and puts a spin on it simulating a tornado. The Vortex would be the top of the tornado and the air would speed up further down the line and go into your engine.
It also reduces drag on the air. Some people think that the only way to reduce the drag between the air and piping is to bore out the piping; but the Vortex "bores out" the air. Every try catching a ball that is spinning? It's much harder than catching a ball that is not spinning. The same applies to the Vortex. It spins the air to reduce its drag.
Some people try to debunk the Vortex by asking the age old question "If it's so good, then why don't we use it?" The truth is that it's not worth it. Car companies would much rather sell you a new car with and electric engine than sell you a $2 part that would make your gas engine give you the same MPG. It's all about the money for them.
The Vortex allignes the air and puts a spin on it simulating a tornado. The Vortex would be the top of the tornado and the air would speed up further down the line and go into your engine.
It also reduces drag on the air. Some people think that the only way to reduce the drag between the air and piping is to bore out the piping; but the Vortex "bores out" the air. Every try catching a ball that is spinning? It's much harder than catching a ball that is not spinning. The same applies to the Vortex. It spins the air to reduce its drag.
Some people try to debunk the Vortex by asking the age old question "If it's so good, then why don't we use it?" The truth is that it's not worth it. Car companies would much rather sell you a new car with and electric engine than sell you a $2 part that would make your gas engine give you the same MPG. It's all about the money for them.
First...even if you had a tornado...do you really think it would ever make it into the combustion chamber...at all...seriously? If you do, then you need to learn a thing or two about intake manifolds...but let me tell you this...IT WILL NEVER MAKE IT ANYWHERE NEAR THE COMBUSTION CHAMBER.
Second...it only adds a restriction above all else...
Third its based on psuedoscience and gimmicks...
And FINALLY...the nail in the coffin...it was TESTED and found to be a complete joke along with all the other gimmicks...
I'll post a link in a few minutes to the article so perhaps we can put this junk to rest.
04-27-2007, 03:56 PM
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Testing conducted fairly and scientifically...
http://www.popularmechanics.com/auto...32.html?page=2
QUOTE:
VORTEX GENERATORS
These devices, which are usually installed on the upstream side of the mass airflow (MAF) sensor, use stationary vanes or, on some devices, spinning blades to make the inlet air between the air cleaner and intake manifold whirl around in a mini-tornado. This vortex supposedly mixes fuel more thoroughly with air, which means the fuel will, theoretically, burn more completely in the combustion chamber. Trouble is, there's a lot of intake tract downstream from these devices designed to maximize a smooth airflow. Turbulence, coupled with the restricted airflow caused by the device, can only reduce the amount of air sucked into the manifold. Less air means less power.
Again, we tested two devices. The TornadoFuelSaver is a nicely made stainless steel contraption, available in an assortment of sizes to fit most vehicles. We installed it on our truck's intake tract immediately upstream of the MAF sensor. We purchased the second device, the Intake Twister, on eBay. It was crudely handmade from sheet-aluminum flashing and pop rivets. It looked like something we could make in about 10 minutes from an old soda can. The staff at UTI was reluctant to install it: The bent sheetmetal vanes looked as if they might break off and be digested by the engine. The device is one-size-fits-all, and is simply bent into a curl to insert it into the intake duct.
THE DYNO SAYS: Both devices reduced peak horsepower by more than 10 percent. The Intake Twister increased fuel consumption by about 20 percent; the TornadoFuelSaver provided no significant change.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/auto...32.html?page=2
QUOTE:
VORTEX GENERATORS
These devices, which are usually installed on the upstream side of the mass airflow (MAF) sensor, use stationary vanes or, on some devices, spinning blades to make the inlet air between the air cleaner and intake manifold whirl around in a mini-tornado. This vortex supposedly mixes fuel more thoroughly with air, which means the fuel will, theoretically, burn more completely in the combustion chamber. Trouble is, there's a lot of intake tract downstream from these devices designed to maximize a smooth airflow. Turbulence, coupled with the restricted airflow caused by the device, can only reduce the amount of air sucked into the manifold. Less air means less power.
Again, we tested two devices. The TornadoFuelSaver is a nicely made stainless steel contraption, available in an assortment of sizes to fit most vehicles. We installed it on our truck's intake tract immediately upstream of the MAF sensor. We purchased the second device, the Intake Twister, on eBay. It was crudely handmade from sheet-aluminum flashing and pop rivets. It looked like something we could make in about 10 minutes from an old soda can. The staff at UTI was reluctant to install it: The bent sheetmetal vanes looked as if they might break off and be digested by the engine. The device is one-size-fits-all, and is simply bent into a curl to insert it into the intake duct.
THE DYNO SAYS: Both devices reduced peak horsepower by more than 10 percent. The Intake Twister increased fuel consumption by about 20 percent; the TornadoFuelSaver provided no significant change.