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Old 07-24-2010, 07:44 PM
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I switched to Pennzoil 5w30 synthetic (on sale) from 5w30 castrol today, as hot as its been this summer I cant see regular oil hacking it after 3000miles in this heat, Im sure it will burn off fine and as far as the cat an AP midpipe/cobb is in the immediate future.
Pennzoil is one of the most garbage FAKE synthetic oil in the market. Have u ever wonder why their oil can bbe so cheap
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Originally Posted by nycgps
Pennzoil is one of the most garbage FAKE synthetic oil in the market. Have u ever wonder why their oil can bbe so cheap
Hi nycgps!..

Agree....

I was under the impression that Semi-Synthetics are all FAKE, that is any 5W20/30/40 are just highly refined (more than a 10 or 15 or 20W40,50) Dino oils that they Call Synthetic..

A true 100% Synthetic Oil or POA is a 0W20,30,40,50,60..

Am I about the mark???
Old 07-24-2010, 11:10 PM
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PAO ... not POA damn n00b Polyalpha Olefin

0wXX is a good way to tell if its the real deal.

but some company like Redline, Amsoil and Royal Purple actually tell you what based stock they use. I mean Base stock doesn't mean everything, but if Im paying a premium, I expect premium quality, not some knock offs/cheap ****.

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lol...I get it...
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does royal purple have a 0w-XX? I thought only mobil 1 had that?

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finally Mazda tech admits that burning synth oil in the rotors leaves behind a film deposit over time....?? Even their own brand.
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even if that where true, then this same problem would be in Piston engines too....
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Originally Posted by FazdaRX_8
does royal purple have a 0w-XX? I thought only mobile had that?
You have a lot to learn my friend.

what is "Mobile" anyway? Is that a new cellular service carrier ?

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finally Mazda tech admits that burning synth oil in the rotors leaves behind a film deposit over time....?? Even their own brand.
90% of the Mazda Techs don't know what they're talking about.
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Originally Posted by nycgps
You have a lot to learn my friend. 90% of the Mazda Techs don't know what they're talking about.
Amen to that. I have educated the techs at my dealership on several occasions. And all dealerships use different oils from local suppliers.

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Originally Posted by nycgps
You have a lot to learn my friend.

what is "Mobile" anyway? Is that a new cellular service carrier ?
sorry mobil 1, turns out Royal purple has 0w-40
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QUIZ TIME!!!....what's the difference between a rotary (wankel) engine and a piston engine???





Originally Posted by FazdaRX_8
even if that where true, then this same problem would be in Piston engines too....
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Originally Posted by Albmw
QUIZ TIME!!!....what's the difference between a rotary (wankel) engine and a piston engine???
Oh! Oh! I know! There's no pistons! Just connecting rods attached to the eccentric shaft
Old 07-27-2010, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Albmw
QUIZ TIME!!!....what's the difference between a rotary (wankel) engine and a piston engine???
It's easier to answer what is the same between the 2 engines
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Originally Posted by Albmw
finally Mazda tech admits that burning synth oil in the rotors leaves behind a film deposit over time....?? Even their own brand.
Gasoline leaves nearly all of the deposits in the engine. It is by far the dirtiest thing entering the engine. If you ran straight methanol/ethanol/butane/propane.etc you wouldn't have any deposits in the combustion chamber. The only thing a good oil leaves is a mild varnish in the oil pan. This is of course assuming you actually change your oil and filter often. A poor quality oil can leave sludge behind but again it's not in the combustion chamber. Any carbon you see in the intake manifold, intake ports, on the rotors, or exhaust ports are all from gasoline and not the oil metering.
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I am contemplating adding a ZEX inline fuel filter (or similar) to the fuel line on the kit just do I can remove the element later and see just how much gunk is in there.
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Originally Posted by rotarygod
Gasoline leaves nearly all of the deposits in the engine. It is by far the dirtiest thing entering the engine. If you ran straight methanol/ethanol/butane/propane.etc you wouldn't have any deposits in the combustion chamber. The only thing a good oil leaves is a mild varnish in the oil pan. This is of course assuming you actually change your oil and filter often. A poor quality oil can leave sludge behind but again it's not in the combustion chamber. Any carbon you see in the intake manifold, intake ports, on the rotors, or exhaust ports are all from gasoline and not the oil metering.
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I met a girl once who swore to God she wouldn't leave behind any deposits.....Then it took me nearly a year to get rid of them....!!

Bob tells me oil also carries up to 30% additives some specifically designed to leave behind "deposits", like upper cylinder lubrication for pistons. For rotors, what?





Originally Posted by rotarygod
Gasoline leaves nearly all of the deposits in the engine. It is by far the dirtiest thing entering the engine. If you ran straight methanol/ethanol/butane/propane.etc you wouldn't have any deposits in the combustion chamber. The only thing a good oil leaves is a mild varnish in the oil pan. This is of course assuming you actually change your oil and filter often. A poor quality oil can leave sludge behind but again it's not in the combustion chamber. Any carbon you see in the intake manifold, intake ports, on the rotors, or exhaust ports are all from gasoline and not the oil metering.

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Old 07-29-2010, 06:46 AM
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oil additives burn out at or just before 2000 miles, and thats coming from the companies. Unless your running Rotella T which is meant for non cat vehicles. That would burn your cats out in no time though.
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Originally Posted by DocBeech
oil additives burn out at or just before 2000 miles, and thats coming from the companies. Unless your running Rotella T which is meant for non cat vehicles. That would burn your cats out in no time though.
i'm switching to rotella t at my next oil change. it'll help that i won't have a cat at that time, too. i've heard/red lots of good things about diesel oil
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Originally Posted by DocBeech
oil additives burn out at or just before 2000 miles, and thats coming from the companies. Unless your running Rotella T which is meant for non cat vehicles. That would burn your cats out in no time though.
Do you have a reference for this? The Shell literature indicates that the oil is designed to protect diesel particulate filters and have very low deposits & emissions. Seems like these benefits would also help protect a cat.
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Did yall already forget what RotaryGod just said? Gasoline is what leaves behind deposits, not oil... So the reason why we are talking about this is null/void. A oil with "less deposits" doesn't make it a good oil by any means. Stick to a good oil and you'll be fine. The engine will die anyways because of design...
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There are other reasons to choose Rotella other than internal deposit control. I'm just asking for clarification as to the statement that it is bad for cats, when it appears that some of Rotella's attributes make it better for cats. The simple fact is the oil's effect on a cat is important in the RX-8.
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George your golden haha I was talking about the others...
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...other reasons to choose Rotella other than internal deposit control.
Indeed.

Zinc and phosphorus additives, mmm !!
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I like the fact that their marketing material focuses on scientific tests of fleet vehicles, showing a decrease in wear rate of internals. As opposed to, say, a guy in a Kilt telling you to play with your dipstick...


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