Bunso_Rx8

Sunday morning, i moved my car to get it wash and accidentally turn it off. I try to start again, it did not start at all. I tried the deflooding procedure from the manual but it did not work. I have a 2004 rx8 auto. Can anyone help me please or somebody that is close to my place here in alexandria virginia could help. This is the first time it happens so i dont really know what i am doing

greg985

did you try starting it with the gas pedal all the way down for 10 sec, and then starting it normally

Mazdaspeed RX8 ver2

alright, i'll help you out cause i know what to do now or from what the local dealership did to my car and talked me through the procedure. open up the fuse box and remove the fuel injection fuse (don't know which one it is), just look up some specs and im sure you'll find it. anyways, after removing that, crank it but don't crank it over 8-10 seconds. if it doesn't turn the first time, it should turn the second. and after it starts, a crap load of smoke will come out of the rear. but thats normal. it should work, it worked on my 04 rx8. hope this helps you. oh yeah, after it starts and you burn the remaining fuel in the engine, dont forget to put the fuse back hope this helps you and should save you $130

Bunso_Rx8

I tried the gas pedal all the way, but it did not work. I will try what Mazdaspeed RX8 ver2 suggestion. If it works i'll let you know. Thank you guys

Charles R. Hill

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The PCM is supposed to shut off the fuel injectors when the gas pedal is floored while cranking cold.

ken-x8

Did it always do that, or just after the 4206f recall flash?

Ken

Charles R. Hill

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That was so long ago I can't remember. The idea that it was part of the 4206 campaign sounds familiar, though.

Bunso_Rx8

I tried the method of removing the fuel pump fuse, but it did not work at all. Can anyone please help me out? PLEASE

rotary.enthusiast

Are you certain it's actually flooded and not another problem all together? If you are, then one way to clear it out with relative certainty is to disconnect the eccentric shaft position sensor, remove the spark plugs, and crank it for a while. You can get at all this stuff through the driver's side front wheel well if you don't feel like crawling around underneath the car. If you go this route do the eccentric shaft profile reset procedure when you've put everything back together (ignition on, tap brake pedal 20 times rapidly, ignition off).

It's a PITA, but if it is really flooded this should clear it out.

Bunso_Rx8

[QUOTE=rotary.enthusiast;2703318]Are you certain it's actually flooded and not another problem all together? If you are, then one way to clear it out with relative certainty is to disconnect the eccentric shaft position sensor, remove the spark plugs, and crank it for a while. You can get at all this stuff through the driver's side front wheel well if you don't feel like crawling around underneath the car. If you go this route do the eccentric shaft profile reset procedure when you've put everything back together (ignition on, tap brake pedal 20 times rapidly, ignition off).

It's a PITA, but if it is really flooded this should clear it out.[/Q

what is "eccentric shaft position sensor"?....I'm new to this...i dont know what you are talking about

rotary.enthusiast

It's a sensor that detects the position of the eccentric shaft (equivalent to the crank-shaft on a piston engine). It is located on the front of the engine to the driver's side of the drive belt pulley. There should be a connector that you can remove... when it is not connected, there should be no fuel delivery or spark generation which is why you want to do it. You can then remove the spark plugs and crank the engine without injecting more fuel or having your coils arcing to something they shouldn't be. Taking the spark plugs out helps because it gives any fuel trapped in the engine another path out.

Hope that helps. If you're not sure what you're doing, take it to a Mazda dealership you trust, or a shop that knows a thing or two about rotary engines.


EDIT: this link explains the procedure in detail with pictures and all that good stuff. http://www.finishlineperformance.com...5-08-1883f.pdf

Bunso_Rx8

I got my car towed in the mazda dealership to get it fix and they going to charge me $720 for deflooding, spark plug and oil change. Is that a reasonable price?

Georgia8er

Did they give you GHB the night before and tell you nothing happened when you woke up naked?

nycgps

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they have that "function" since I think 1985 or 86 I dont remember.

JGR4444

if it is truly flooded you could have saved yourself 720 dollars and instead looked around for some patience. The fuse pull method will work you just need to be patient with it. I believe when i first dropped my new motor into my 04 my dad went out and started it and turned it right back off which flooded it and i spent 2 hours pulling the fuse and sticking it back in until it started... The correct procedure requires two people... one sitting in the car cranking the motor and the other standing at the fuse box with the fuel pump fuse pulled (i believe its number 21) and after all the gas is burnt out of the chamber you'll hear a different sound, stick the fuse back in and it'll fire up...

or you can go out back and burn some more of your money, to each his own i guess.

Bunso_Rx8

I tried the "fuse full method" for at least 10 times, but it did not work. The dealership also said that the deflooding alone cost $300 plus and they also have to replace the battery. Right now i don't what to do. I don't where i'm gonna get that money. Is there another method to deflood the engine?

cornholio135

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Check your Mileage... if under 60k (I could be wrong) they should not charge you for deflooding. I believe there is a PCM update flash that corrects the flooding problem. Also if you never replaced the coils, they are covered under a TSB/recall. if out of warranty, just get it deflooded and order the coils and plugs online and change them yourself. just search if you do not know how to change these.And while at the dealership have them check and do all TSBs if still under 60k...

Dealer wants around $170 for plugs
sparkplugs.com around $95 with shipping for the NGKs

most dealerships want around $38 per coil (4 total)
Finish Line $26.95 each

http://finishlineperformance.com/sto...cat=338&page=1

total for plugs and coils around $225

Bunso_Rx8

well...i took my car to rosenthal mazda here in glebe road. I told them to deflood it, change the battery and oil change. All of this is $400 +. I figured i just the spark plugs and install it my self, better than paying them $720 with them installing spark plugs

GaMEChld

That's a lot of money for relatively little work I think.

But it's a pity you have an auto, floods are so easy to deal with on a MT. Deflooding procedure has never worked for me with the Pedal tactic, but pull starting always works.

Bunso_Rx8

After they finish with my car, i'm trading it. I just don't want to deal with it anymore. I was thinking of trading to 350z or wrx or mini. What do you guys think?

Ophitoxaemia

i just deflooded my car, using the pull/clean plugs, then disconnect the secondary air thingy and pull the fuel pump fuse, then crank. put plugs back in and presto!

titesilver8

i think your a douche, for trading your car in for flooding. a. it was your fault, b. it happens, c. its not hard to fix, hell i did mine in a parking lot the other day, d. yeah the 350 is quicker, but no room at all. and a billion other 18 to 25 yr. old kids and 50 to 80 yr. old people drive them everywhere, minis are slow and overpriced, a new sti will cost you nearly 40 gs. but im not very smart myself so do whatever. who cares. im really just bored as ****.

GaMEChld

^ +1

greg985

get that sand out of your vagina

04RX8man

Do not pay 700 dollars for them to do this....I'll walk you through it step by step....
1: Jack up drivers side of car
2: take off wheel
3: take out spark plugs
4: Crank engine for a few 10 second periods
5: If possible have someone watch for fuel coming out of spark plug holes
6: clean the plugs with some sand paper and make sure they are clean and dry
7: install spark plugs
8: try to start engine....
9: Zoom Zoom all day.....(after putting the wheel one and lower the car again of course_)