shazy

I was looking at one of the near by retailers for oil and I found Redline 2-stroke Racing oil for 10$. Should I get it?
Or do I have to get the real Idemitsu ****?

I also heard it's best to put 8oz at max fillup.

alz0rz

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8oz with the stock OMP is overkill.

TheBurkeMan

get idemitsu it's the only thing i felt comfortable using because it's actually made specifically for a rotary engine, not a dirtbike, weedeater, or chainsaw...

and i mix 6 oz, and 8oz would definately be a max

StealthTL

iTrader: (1)

Redline is excellent stuff.

Idemitsu is without a doubt good, but not essential.

You need a great lubricant which burns clean and smokeless - use nothing that doesn't meet the ISO-EGD standard (JASO-FC for JDM oils)

SpIcEz

Stealth was wondering what you think about the Lucas Oil products for premix.

Im always on the prowl for what I can get easily and cheaply at Canadian Tire.
I just hate having to stock stuff and having to go to ... THAT shop, way across the city just to get oil...

Since CT significantly raised the price of AMSOIL products this year, I gave Lucas a try.

http://www.lucasoil.com/images/media..._cycle_oil.pdf

rux

5oz with stock OMP on a 09, then ? He he he ...

always.anthony

i'm down for idemitsu, the designed for rotaries was what got me.

shazy

Ok, so basically the label that is something TC-3 certified right?

Finally! Someone else from Montreal other than Kadavr! Anyway what did you think about the Lucas Semi synthetic that you are using now?

Thanks for the help.

StealthTL

iTrader: (1)

Since when does 'ISO-EGD' sound like TCW-3?

TCW-3 is the exact OPPOSITE of good oil.

It's boat oil, made to NOT burn, to slop around inside the chamber, and be bio-degradable underwater.

DO NOT USE, it's crap.

Write this down - 'ISO GD'

Unless you find a boat oil that meets BOTH standards, avoid TCW-3, please.

Shazy - the Lucas stuff ticks all the boxes - low carbon buildup, smokeless, Jaso and ISO - good stuff. Their UCL is very good too, no good as actual two-stroke, but a fine lube that burns completely, it's mostly polyisobutylene, which lubricates then burns completely.
Most modern two-strokes have a heavy dose of PB in their formula.

(I've been refining synthetic oil for a living for the last twenty-five years......)

SpIcEz

I always have a big jug of Lucas UCL around, for years.

I use it instead of premix once in a while in between bottles when I run out.

I also use a goo 10oz of it in a tank every few months.

Thanks Stealth.

Shazy, it felt good, but a but dyno comparison of premixes is so useless its irrelevant.

I just try finding something decent thats about 10$ a pint.
The Amsoil was raised from 10$ to 16$ at CT this year, which pissed me off cause I like the Amsoil premixes. (not the boat one )

shazy

Ok I completely understand. Well Kind of. Only reason why I said TC-W3 crap is because of the other pages earlier someone said : As long as it's TC-W3 it should run fine for premixing... Ok well thank you anyways.

Spoolin8

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I will most likely start using Idemitsu. I was the first owner with the new engine and started premixing with MMO right after the break in period and i notice i consistently get better gas mileage using the MMO compared to when i dont use anything but i think im going to start using Idemitsu and see how that goes. Sounds like most of you are using like 4oz of that and another 2oz of FP+

shadycrew31

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I'm seriously having fun with MMO I can feel the power difference and idle.. MPG dropped from 20 to 18 but whatever.

GaMEChld

8 oz bottles, not 8 oz of premix. Said I use around 4 oz of idemitsu with 1 oz of FP+. Sometimes I do add a lil extra oil on rare occassion, but not the full 8oz. Most times I'm filling up with 12 gallons, so 8oz would be a bit too much. I wouldn't normally go higher than 1/2 oz per gallon with OMP active.

On a sad note, I left one of my bottles at a gas station a couple weeks ago. Fooy.

ASH8

Yep, I use 5 to 5.5 oz in my 09 per tank which is just right with the new EMOP system, anymore is too much.

shazy

Ok, since Synthetic 2 stroke oil is good, I'm going to use:
2-Stroke Amsoil Synthetic Oil and it's only $14

On Canadian Tire it says:
Features

2-stroke injector oil
High performance
946ml
For use with snowmobiles, personal watercrafts, ATVs etc


So I guess that's good right?
Im going to go pick it up today.

GaMEChld

$14 for 1 quart? Cuz you can get a whole case of Idemitsu for like 60. That lasts a looooooong time. I forget how many quarts in a case, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think its 12,

jmc23200

I need a head count so I can get an accurate quote on X amount of cases of premix. If you are interested in buying a case(s) of Idemitsu Premix, pm me. 50+ cases will cost about $47 each before shipping. Im hoping we can get like 100-200 cases to get a really good deal. Let me know who may be interested.

SpIcEz

- You need to consider that if we order from the US, our exchange rate is 1.28CAD for 1USD.

- Also shipping and handling. (more expensive to Montreal, which is like 50miles from Champlain, NY, than it is to ship to Champlain, because of border).

- Brokerage fees.

- 12.5% sales tax

- Other taxes if product is made outside of USA.

That changes things quite a bit. Which is why us Canuckians always try and find local suppliers if possible.

shazy

2-stroke injector oil
High performance
946ml
For use with snowmobiles, personal watercrafts, ATVs etc

Stealth mentioned more than one, NO BOAT OIL. HP Injector is TC-W3, which is not what you want.

AMSOIL does have good options though:
Interceptor: http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/ait.aspx
Saber Professional: http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/atp.aspx
Dominator: http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/tdr.aspx

Dominator seems to be the best. They are all expensive now at Canadian Tire, almost 16$. I need to find a source by the gallon for Dominator.

The option I mentioned above from Lucas oil is a good option and is 10$ at CT.
http://www.lucasoil.com/images/media..._cycle_oil.pdf

Can mix in some Lucas UCL as well a little.

Everywhere you see people mention using FP+ (cant source that in Canada), you can use Lucas UCL instead.

shazy

Well Im basically looking at the website and it had nothing you guys mentioned... which I found pretty odd, since CT has many of these things at their stores. Thanks for clrarifying that injector is Tcw3...
I will be going to CT today or tomorrow, so I will know what is in stock.

SpIcEz

Yeah, forget about the CT website, I just went on it too, it has nothing good.

There are dozens of oil products on the shelves which arent even mentioned on the website.

robrecht

Aside from the price issue, what's been recommended around here is Amsoil Saber Professional. I'm no expert, so I won't bother repeating the explanations that I don't fully understand but you can search on Amsoil Saber Pro/fessional if you're curious.

shazy

Yeah I just figured it out, just my stupid retailer didn't show it on the site, Im going to be going there in a little while to find some stuff like, Amsoil Saber or Dominator...
Any other oils other than the Lucas Semi synthetic oil and Amsoil that will work for premix? (Exclude Idemtsu as I know that obviously works and not MMO)
For some reason I'm not getting this, I guess today isn't just my day at all.

robrecht

I saw that SpIcEz recommended Dominator and I've also seen that Brettus has used it, but note this quote from our recently departed Jax (traded his 8 for an F150!), not sure but there may also be an issue re: cat life:

shazy

Ok, cope with me, on my site I found PJ1 Goldfire Pro Oil Premix... it said premix, so Im figuring that's fine, but it really isn't a known brand, as I haven't seen anyone bring it up in this thread yet. So i'm unsure to use it, but whatever, once I will go there I'll just pick up some Amsoil Saber.