9krpmrx8

iTrader: (46)

Yeah well if you just follow what everyone else on the forum does then so be it. And again you are throwing out that 70% number again with no factual data to back it up. Where does it say it is 70% oil. Oh and just to clarify the oil in it is mineral oil. And a solvent is a solvent the two other ingredients in MMO are types of solvents.

jmc23200

Poppa Smurf can I like your ***?

robrecht

But I don't follow what everyone else does on this forum--I do listen to those who are very knowledgable and experienced. As I mentioned, Jax's 70% number came from MSDS and chemical analysis, discussed in more detail over on BITOG. If you don't think it's factual, prove it wrong, or at least tell us why you believe that.

9krpmrx8

iTrader: (46)

The official MSDS list 0% for each ingredient? Care to include that data here? I couldn't find anything over at the BITOG.



Oh, and FYI, Family Dollar has MMO for $2.50.

robrecht

That may be because the default search range for BITOG is only 1 month. If you expand your search range, you'll find hundreds of threads, maybe even thousands, or millions. OK, that's a bit of an exaggeration. Say hello to Jax, last time I was there, he was still active over there. I can't do the searching for you right now because my kids are begging me to take them to lunch and the toy store.

Chad D.

iTrader: (19)

I have mostly used snowmobile 2cy and nothing but positive results. Now we will see how that Idemitsu Group Buy works out and then I will be giving that a whirl.

olddragger

iTrader: (3)

i feel ok using mmo when my car is a dd and my omp is working pretty good. it is classified as a 5-10 viscosity lubricate. On a track w/e i do use a heavier viscosity premix.
OD

9krpmrx8

iTrader: (46)

I have nothing against MMO, just hate to see data posted that appears to come from thin air. It has been used for years to remove varnish from the inside of engines with great reults, I think that is what it's best at doing. The purpose of premixing is to lubricate the center of our apex seals due to the lack of a third oil injector.

I cringe at the thought that if I posted that canola oil mixed with bearing grease would make a good premix and that I have used it on my race cars for years, that people would actually try it. A lot of thing people routinely do on this site are just retarded.

robrecht

I told you exactly whom it came from. Again, if you have reason to believe it's false, let's hear why, or take it up directly with the source.
Sorry, but what makes you think people would try it on your say so?

always.anthony

hey Robrecht, what's your current premix situation? has it changed?

robrecht

Nope, I'm still using Idemitsu with some FP+, 'bout 5-6 oz per fill-up. But if I run out, I sometimes use MMO.

9krpmrx8

iTrader: (46)

Oh now I get it, because Jax says so, it makes it factual? And I'm not says on my word specifically but you know what I am getting at. Oh well, we all have our opinions and our ways of doing self research.

robrecht

So I guess that means you really have no basis whatsoever to challenge his (and others') analysis and advice.

9krpmrx8

iTrader: (46)

His analysis? What did he analyze? Nothing, it was just a random post on an internet forum with no source reference. No I don't take advise from people or organizations I don't know personally to be credible or believe to be credible. I mean honestly if there was some data from an independent credentialed lab to show exactly what MMO is and how it performs then I would like to see it. Hell, it's cheap in price, I would love to use it.

ASH8

I was always under the impression from industry 'Oil Experts' that TCW III's should only be used for Marine Purposes because they have a lower burn off point, which you don't want in a rotary, you require an oil with higher Flash/Burning point as you need the oil to Lubricate not Burn Off.

robrecht

Analysis of what is in MMO--you really think they just made up some random chemicals and decided to post them over at BITOG and here? If you don't think it's correct, tell us why. Can you offer anything to the conversation that has any credibility whatsoever? Other than saying people are just guessing and talking out their asses, that is.

ASH8

I get where you are at 9K...

We don't get MMO here (mainstream), but I have always been "intrigued" at some of the applications of this stuff, I have heard of people using it in their gearboxes, diffs, motor bikes, marine, lawn mowers, tractors...probably even Washing Machines??..

And yes I know this product has been used for years in the US, but what concerns me is it's wide application or range of use, what is it really made up from..the brew.

The word 'Mystery" just makes me "pause" a little about this product.

robrecht

The name is silly, but that's just an old fashioned marketing approach from 1923. The only use being discussed here is as a premix that offers some lubricating and cleaning properties in a single product that is cheap and easy to use. Those who have analyzed it have told us what's in it, and I see no reason to doubt their credibility so it's "brew" or what it's made up of doesn't really seem to be an issue to me. Lots and lots of people have used it without a problem. If someone believes there's a problem, please tell me why exactly.

plain ole wanker

I told my wife about a month ago I put some additive in her gas tank minivan. All she said was “ok” which is all I expected maybe that was even a big response for anything I do with the vehicles she can give a rat’s *** in January. However, last week out of the blue she says to me “can you put more of that stuff in my car because the car doesn’t sound as quit as before. I was wondering if it has anything to do with that stuff you put in the gas?” This was after couple fillups later probably after all MMO has circulated out of the van (is my only thought) so I added more MMO. She reports” yeah it’s quit again at the stop lights”. That was enough info I need to prove to me this stuff works I didn’t tell her what the stuff was for or what it would could possibly do(remember her rats response).

I know I’m just another nobody on the internet making another BS claim. But, when I added premix to my 8 I thought maybe it was just me but, my 8 runs smoother it must be my imagination. However, others here have reassured me it’s not placebo effect and now with my wife’s response with MMO I’m sold on premix (any engine).
By way I use Amsoil saber pro pre mix in my 8. Debate on using MMO just because of the cost and I do have the awesome S2 3rd injector.

ASH8

Yeah, well your REX will run smoother/better with pre-mix because it is lubricating all of the seals and therefore helps in a little less compression blow back, better compressions means better performance/mileage..and the cleaning benefits keeping the carbon/soot soft.

BTW, I have just clocked 20,000 KMS this morning (Sunday) or 12,000 miles, will be doing a 20K service soon, and I will remove the spark plugs for the first time, it will be interesting to see their look and condition after using Amsoil Saber Pro from day 1.

I really like the stuff, yes it is expensive ( a lot more in Australia), but IMO you only get what you pay for, with Amsoil ..like Motul, these are recognized as some of the best 2 stroke Oils (for Bikes) you can buy on the market today..

Very high flash/burn off point...which is what you want in a hot rotary...like a hot 2 stroke bike, there is no point is using any product that burns off or evaporates before it hits any metal parts.

SpIcEz

robrecht I dont have any information for or against MMO, but I have to point out the absurdity of your request towards 9krpmrx8.

You are asking him to provide proof (hard evidence, irrefutable, fact based, published) proof that MMO's composition is NOT what was posted by Jax.

When in fact, Jax's proof is anecdotal without any proof, fact, evidence or published proof.

Its like asking to provide proof the bible isnt true.

Regardless of Jax's credibility or MMO's actually composition, do you not see what you are asking makes no sense?

Thing is, you are asking it as if 9krpmrx8 was the one fighting against proven science, when he is the one asking for it.

9krpmrx8

iTrader: (46)

robrecht, we are going back and forth and it is ridiculous because you keep saying someone has analyzed it and determined what the make up of MMO is yet I cannot find that analysis ANYWHERE. Was it done at a lab?

You are right though, I cannot say what it doesn't do, I cannot say it hurts the rotary, and I cannot say it is a shitty premix. It's obvious you support it and have no issue using it so lets leave it at that.

ASH8, that is my point. I did do some research on MMO some months back a decided against it just for the fact that it used for everything across the board. Many rave about it but until I hear a professional analyze it and say exactly what it does and if it makes a good premix, then I'll stick with my Amsoil 2 stroke in my SOHN and Lucas UCL in the tank.

ganseg

iTrader: (5)

VERY cool! If you have carbon on your plugs, will you consider running a cleaner the next 20k like FP Plus with your Amsoil? Just stared that combination myself at 1/2 oz per gal total; one of the oz being FP Plus. Bought my car at 33k miles, so I will never know what I did vs the prior owner.

plain ole wanker

Also Ash, when you pull those plugs I hope you get some pics to post I would like to see what they look like.

9krpmrx8

iTrader: (46)

Coming back to this, I have freakin' searched and searched at BITOG and only found the same ole' banter about MMO, which is basically that many use it and it has not killed their engines so it must be good.

I was not able to find any data or testing showing exactly what the makeup of it is aside from the official MSDS. And actually I found some "expert" opinions that basically say its a low end 2 stroke wannabe and so the opinion is, "Why use it when there are great 2 stroke oils out there?" Another common belief (would like confirmation of this) is that two of the basic ingredients of MMO are refined out of motor oil so why add them back when using MMO as an oil additive.

Any input is greatly appreciated. This stuff is super cheap, I would be happy to fins out it is as good as the Amsoil 2 stroke I am running now.