robrecht

I don't use much FP+, the manufacturer only recommends 1 oz per 10 gallons of gas. Part of the reason Jax recommended it was because of the unique cyclohexanone ingredient that is said to convert carbon into a colloidal graphite lubricant, which should not attack your oil films like more aggresive solvents while also providing additional lubrication properties. Sounds like a neat idea but of course there are no double-blind, placebo-controlled experimental data in thousands of Renesis engines, just experience by seemingly knowledgable people who also drive pick-ups.

jmc23200

In order to test it based off of the spark plugs(which isn't 100% of everything that is going on in your engine) you would need to:

1) Buy new plugs and replace the ones you have
2) Drive for 3 months/3,000 miles with NO premixes of any kind making sure to only use the same gas station or gas company ie Mobile, Shell, etc.
3) Pull the plugs, take pics, and write a few sentences describing the plugs
4) Either completely clean or buy new spark plugs, and repeat the process using premixes.

It would take you about 4-6 months to gather data and you would need to be **** about it as to not contaminate your data(like using random cheap gas from freds gas for example). This would not conclude 100% what is going on in the entire engine, but it may provide some insight for the products if the buildup on the plugs were very different.

jmc23200

^ Same thing for MMO. Not actual experimental data, just he say.

We should try to get some really carboned up chains, cut the chains into say 4-6 inch pieces and only expose half of the chain to a gas and premix cocktail we are using for a specific period of time. This way we can compare the before and after of the chain and see what effects the premixes have as a lubricator and as a solvent. We would be able to see how aggressive of a cleaner the premix is. I know this isnt a 100%, but it would be interesting to find the results

robrecht

People have sort of done that informally for years when performing piston soaks, either when rebuilding or just cleaning old engines. But I would never choose the more aggressive cleaners as a premix in a rotary (or other engines) as such tests tell you nothing about the lubrication properties at combustion temps, interference with oil films, effects on seals, etc. Still, it's always fun to do experiments and post pics!

SpIcEz

You guys know that Amsoil premixes (Saber Pro and Interceptor) both have detergents and cleaners in them.

Might be a good idea to look into what the details are and see if its even worth adding cleaners separately at all.

jmc23200

The cleaners may not be specifically for carbon were as fp+ is specifically for carbon. I would prefer a high quality lube and a carbon specific cleaner premix. FP+ and idumitsu sounds about right

MTspeeds1

Ok, I thought reading this thread would help me understand pre mixing better, but Im still pretty confused. What exactly is pre-mixing and how does it benefit our engines?

always.anthony

sorry, but you didnt read.

premix, mixing in "stuff" with gas

why:to lubricate MORE, our omp doesnt get everything

the debate is how much and what to use

general idea: you want good, clean burning lube/cleaner

most either use mmo or 2 stroke oil and a cleaner.

i use just mmo atm, but if i could i would use a 2stroke oil and a cleaner

MTspeeds1

ok Mr. specific, what is that stuff? I read something about chainsaw oil. Is that it?

SpIcEz

I'm usually not the "SEARCH" type, but if after 88 pages you dont understand and are making snyde comments, I dont see how we can help you.

There are dozens of products mentioned. Mostly all ok. Look them up.

Here is one hint: 2 cycle oil.


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On another note:

jmc23200

I just looked it up,

http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/atp.aspx

Seems ATP's detergents target "hard-carbon deposits".

and

http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/ait.aspx

Surprisingly Interceptor might be the better product for us here, it has even more detergents for carbon.

jmc23200

FP+ uses a chemical that converts carbon into a graphite lubricator I believe. FP+ seems to have the best method of cleaning as it doesnt seem to be as aggressive as some of the other cleaners. Even with Amsoil products, I am wondering if the cleaners(because they are there for Hard Carbon Deposits) are too aggressive and attack the oil film.

Nubo

I encourage you to read the thread. It really does answer your questions.

jmc23200

A little off topic and even translated it is hard to understand but the picture says it all. http://www.mazda.co.jp/service/parts...e_renesis.html

9krpmrx8

iTrader: (46)

Old news.

MTspeeds1

as far as reading it to know if it is safe for our engines this thread contains pretty much opinions. I want to know if it really does help our engines but people have different opinions on pre-mixing.

jmc23200

Says the guy using amsoil saber pro pffffffffffffffft lol

First time I have seen it

Amsoil Interceptor has intrigued me but if I am going to buy something online, I will buy Idemitsu.

9krpmrx8

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We have know n about the Renesis only synthetic oil for some time now, what does that have to do with Amsoil?

pdxhak

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Nothing wrong with amsoil saber pro

jmc23200

It was a joke

9krpmrx8

iTrader: (46)

I don't get it.

ganseg

iTrader: (5)

I wonder what some of the technical specs mean for our application:

Pour point, flash point and fire point are lower on Interceptor. Good or bad for us?

the1jesster

Thanks for all the help from the deadicated people in this club to date I have solved my sticky 4th gear by adding just a touch more tranny fluid through the stick shift installed a flow master super 44 muffler and now no more rough idle thanks to the pre mix just went to the auto store 30min ago and boom no more crapy idle yet agian thanks to all how take time to support our fight against what the EPA has done to these wounderfull cars

9krpmrx8

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Punctuation is your friend.

pdxhak

iTrader: (2)

uh fixed

jmc23200

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