sweatr

My argument is simply this: The general information in the chapter one of "Oil 101" is just that general and it should be on this site for the edification of all. It is good information on oil is it not?. If it is then I see no real argument against posting good information on oil and oil values and how the print on the can reads and what it means. A separate thread on general oil by many authors will give the membership a different look at oil in general.

The article isn't aimed at 4 cycle oil or 2 cycle oil , it is just general information on motor oil. We need a general oil thread on motor oil by real Authors, Granted A e Hass isn't published quite yet all other posts would be from other Authors on the general subject of oil. If I can post this general information why not.

Tell me why I can not pass along general oil information by published Authors on the subject of motor oil?.

sweatr

"The Content of what you posted is good" This is what i am saying. I am not the only one who thinks the info was or is good. It is a small group of folk here who cause the uproar over nothing. Please don't dismiss the idea of good general information from being posted because a few get their feather in bunch. I hhave other authors to post as well.

RIWWP

iTrader: (2)

You didn't actually solve all 3 points with that response. You didn't solve even one of them.


However...

The reason why we may not agree with simply "passing the information along", is that the same concept can be applied to other topics that we have banned from the forum. For example, we have banned religious discussion here because it is impossible for people to discuss it with a level head. We are only slightly joking when we refer to oil discussions as "holy wars". They have proven time and time again to get no one anywhere, emotions get charged up, and things get out of hand.

There aren't many topics that do this, but yes, oil is one of them. As a moderator, I'm inclined to stop this discussion from going further because I don't want to deal with the cleanup later on. I know for certain that every other member of the staff agrees with that perspective.



Against my inclination though, I'm going to move this discussion out of the premix thread to it's own thread in the tech section, just to see how civil people can keep it. Be forewarned though, I don't really care who starts to get out of hand, if it happens I'm going to shut it down.

(This post will be copied into that thread too)

sweatr

Another member in the premix section where you moved this from said don't post other peoples writings as his assertion is it takes up too much room on the thread??. Is this true?, should I just post the link or address of the material?. My question is to you: Can I post the 10 chapters on oil 101 or just list the link?.

Rodney Thembani' Siziba

My oil guage keeps coming on and off, even after i had filled it up, any ideas whats wrong???

RIWWP

iTrader: (2)

What is your oil gauge? You mean the red low level oil light? Or the fake oil pressure gauge?



Sweatr, take it from me, no one reads massive posts. But I'd be a hypocrite if I told someone else not to. I just don't expect a good reaction from the community for just posting large chunks of someone else's work.

paimon.soror

iTrader: (15)

Well lets see .... post a link directly to the authors hard work ...


or litter the thread with 10 effing chapters of text.


*knock knock* .. anyone in there?

no-coast-punk

Penn Grade 1 High Performance Oil

FWIW, I have been running this stuff since I switched over to E-85. It's designed for alcohol fueled race motors. I sent off a lab sample to blackstone last oil change (after 5k miles of 100% E-85 usage).

I'll let you guys know what the results look like.

I've had awesome results with this stuff on alcohol fueled piston motors for a lot of years.

Flashwing

They might both pour the same to the naked eye, but a 0w-30 will have a measurable difference in initial oil pressure compared to a 15w-50 at initial startup. As you mentioned, however, the CsT values at room temperature are not all that critical provided you give the oil time to warm up. Even in warmer climates like Arizona, that could still mean 10+ minutes of idling before even leaving. Not everyone has the patience to operate their vehicle that way.

Either way, how many engines have we seen fail because of excessive bearing wear? 99% of failure situations are blown or worn seals, with bearings being a replacement item because they don't meet minimum specs.

There is a vast difference between educating yourself and simply reposting or otherwise re-hashing previous arguments. Unlike most other car sites, this site has been populated over the years by numerous individuals with the same intellectual curiosity and have contributed a wealth of information and argumentation about this subject. I know because I was one of them. I can tell you after dozens of pages and hundreds of posts on the subject, I came to the conclusion articulated by Charles Hill...

"It doesn't even f***ing matter!"

Why doesn't it matter? For two reasons. First, because the majority of oils require API or higher certification standards which exceed conditions that a vehicle should EVER be subjected to. We think we have to run crazy oils because we drive our vehicles "harder" than other drivers do. That simply isn't true. Drivers who neglect their cars for 10,000 miles or longer between changes, use $2 filters, or hardly change filters see worse conditions than any of these vehicles. Simply put, "You are not the Johnny Race Car Driver you think you are."

Second, as I mentioned above, bearing wear resulting in engine destruction is fairly rare at least within the segment of aftermarket owners. As long as you run SOME kind of oil and do so within an acceptable maintenance period, you're going to be ok. Some people prefer using expensive oils, rigid change intervals and numerous lab testing which is fine. However, don't assume your engine will live or die on this basis alone as tons of other factors are in play.

Dr. Haas's article is good, and certainly provides lots of great opportunities for continued reading. This issue, however, will never be settled. It comes down to individual choice, and not everyone will agree.

Read some of our older oil threads. They have HUNDREDS of pages of content. Most of it is worthless, but there is a good chunk that is fantastic.