Heel & Toe is obsolete......
06-12-2003, 11:07 PM
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Heel & Toe is obsolete......
(Heel & Toeing is the technique used when you need to 'rev match' for a downshift, but you are already heavy on the break and clutch - done by toeing the break and using your heel to blip the throttle.)
Not the easiest technique to master, and I HAVE tried!
However, in a 'drive-by-wire' system, if you need a blip of throttle, all you really need is the correct signal to go to the computer - this can come from a switch, button, whatever, the computer won't care.
I could see using one of the gear **** switches, like they use for NOS, and use the hand that is already on the shifter to 'blip' the throttle as required........no more "H&T" for me! Even if the computer needs a specific resistance (150 Ohms etc.) that would be an easy one-hour mod.
S
Not the easiest technique to master, and I HAVE tried!
However, in a 'drive-by-wire' system, if you need a blip of throttle, all you really need is the correct signal to go to the computer - this can come from a switch, button, whatever, the computer won't care.
I could see using one of the gear **** switches, like they use for NOS, and use the hand that is already on the shifter to 'blip' the throttle as required........no more "H&T" for me! Even if the computer needs a specific resistance (150 Ohms etc.) that would be an easy one-hour mod.
S
06-13-2003, 12:28 AM
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Not sure of the tech details but from experience the S2000 did something along these lines. When you put in the clutch and let off the accelerator it holds the revs around where they were for a short time, say half a second. This helps you do smooth changes without overeving if you, say, just held your foot on the accelerator with no engine resistance.
The reason I noticed it is when you're in stop start traffic it's as if the engine is not responding and has a mind of it's own!
The reason I noticed it is when you're in stop start traffic it's as if the engine is not responding and has a mind of it's own!
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Re: Heel & Toe is obsolete......
Originally posted by StealthTL
...However, in a 'drive-by-wire' system, if you need a blip of throttle, all you really need is the correct signal to go to the computer - this can come from a switch, button, whatever, the computer won't care.
I could see using one of the gear **** switches, like they use for NOS, and use the hand that is already on the shifter to 'blip' the throttle as required........no more "H&T" for me! Even if the computer needs a specific resistance (150 Ohms etc.) that would be an easy one-hour mod.
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...However, in a 'drive-by-wire' system, if you need a blip of throttle, all you really need is the correct signal to go to the computer - this can come from a switch, button, whatever, the computer won't care.
I could see using one of the gear **** switches, like they use for NOS, and use the hand that is already on the shifter to 'blip' the throttle as required........no more "H&T" for me! Even if the computer needs a specific resistance (150 Ohms etc.) that would be an easy one-hour mod.
S
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06-13-2003, 12:07 PM
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Re: Re: Heel & Toe is obsolete......
Originally posted by Sputnik
A throttle isn't an on/off switch, it's more like a potentiometer (like a volume control). And how far the throttle is depressed depends on how high you want the revs. It is not the same each time. So simply having an on/off switch with a set value will not work.
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A throttle isn't an on/off switch, it's more like a potentiometer (like a volume control). And how far the throttle is depressed depends on how high you want the revs. It is not the same each time. So simply having an on/off switch with a set value will not work.
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06-13-2003, 12:18 PM
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Wouldn't that take away the fun driving factor out of heel and toe? But then again, I wouldn't mind having the throttle button at the steering column just like when you're playing game and want to rest your feet. Rate of acceleration is depending how hard you squeeze or press the button :D
06-13-2003, 02:06 PM
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You're reinventing the wheel... and doing it badly.
Heel and toe is obsolete for the same reason threshold braking is largely forgotten--computer technology. BMW's SMG-II does everything you want and more, and it's on the road today.
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Heel and toe is obsolete for the same reason threshold braking is largely forgotten--computer technology. BMW's SMG-II does everything you want and more, and it's on the road today.
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06-13-2003, 02:08 PM
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hahahaa... some of us don't want cars that drive themselves 
seriously though, using the skills it takes to drive a car well is really what the romance is all about, right?? i mean, there is more to it than just pressing buttons/pedals/whatevers to get somewhere...
seriously though, using the skills it takes to drive a car well is really what the romance is all about, right?? i mean, there is more to it than just pressing buttons/pedals/whatevers to get somewhere...
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Originally posted by JSG
Not sure of the tech details but from experience the S2000 did something along these lines. When you put in the clutch and let off the accelerator it holds the revs around where they were for a short time, say half a second. This helps you do smooth changes without overeving if you, say, just held your foot on the accelerator with no engine resistance.
The reason I noticed it is when you're in stop start traffic it's as if the engine is not responding and has a mind of it's own!
Not sure of the tech details but from experience the S2000 did something along these lines. When you put in the clutch and let off the accelerator it holds the revs around where they were for a short time, say half a second. This helps you do smooth changes without overeving if you, say, just held your foot on the accelerator with no engine resistance.
The reason I noticed it is when you're in stop start traffic it's as if the engine is not responding and has a mind of it's own!
Stealth, have you try sitting further back? sometimes you can't heel and toe is because A) TL wasn't meant to be driven that way and B) you sit too close/too far
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Heel-toeing on my WRX is great, and from what I have read it will be great on the RX-8 as well. The whole reason I'd take the torque loss going from my WRX -> RX-8 is for a car that more of a driver's car. Something I can really control and flick around, yet still carry 4 people and have the reliability of a N/A engine.
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07-14-2003, 11:48 PM
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Re: Heel & Toe is obsolete......
Originally posted by StealthTL
(Heel & Toeing is the technique used when you need to 'rev match' for a downshift, but you are already heavy on the break and clutch - done by toeing the break and using your heel to blip the throttle.)
Not the easiest technique to master, and I HAVE tried!
However, in a 'drive-by-wire' system, if you need a blip of throttle, all you really need is the correct signal to go to the computer - this can come from a switch, button, whatever, the computer won't care.
I could see using one of the gear **** switches, like they use for NOS, and use the hand that is already on the shifter to 'blip' the throttle as required........no more "H&T" for me! Even if the computer needs a specific resistance (150 Ohms etc.) that would be an easy one-hour mod.
S
(Heel & Toeing is the technique used when you need to 'rev match' for a downshift, but you are already heavy on the break and clutch - done by toeing the break and using your heel to blip the throttle.)
Not the easiest technique to master, and I HAVE tried!
However, in a 'drive-by-wire' system, if you need a blip of throttle, all you really need is the correct signal to go to the computer - this can come from a switch, button, whatever, the computer won't care.
I could see using one of the gear **** switches, like they use for NOS, and use the hand that is already on the shifter to 'blip' the throttle as required........no more "H&T" for me! Even if the computer needs a specific resistance (150 Ohms etc.) that would be an easy one-hour mod.
S
Heel & toe is easy on the RX8.
07-14-2003, 11:59 PM
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Originally posted by fengshui
Heel-toeing on my WRX is great, and from what I have read it will be great on the RX-8 as well.
chris
Heel-toeing on my WRX is great, and from what I have read it will be great on the RX-8 as well.
chris
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07-15-2003, 08:24 AM
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Re: Heel & Toe is obsolete......
Originally posted by StealthTL
I could see using one of the gear **** switches, like they use for NOS, and use the hand that is already on the shifter to 'blip' the throttle as required........no more "H&T" for me! Even if the computer needs a specific resistance (150 Ohms etc.) that would be an easy one-hour mod.
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I could see using one of the gear **** switches, like they use for NOS, and use the hand that is already on the shifter to 'blip' the throttle as required........no more "H&T" for me! Even if the computer needs a specific resistance (150 Ohms etc.) that would be an easy one-hour mod.
S
07-16-2003, 10:45 PM
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first off, if anyone did it, hopefully they would shield the button
secondly, it would be varialbe to alow enough juice through to maintain the rev you were at, not just a standard shot of gas
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secondly, it would be varialbe to alow enough juice through to maintain the rev you were at, not just a standard shot of gas
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07-17-2003, 06:39 AM
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seriously though, using the skills it takes to drive a car well is really what the romance is all about, right?? i mean, there is more to it than just pressing buttons/pedals/whatevers to get somewhere...
There are aftermarket kits that will engage/disengage the clutch at lightning quick speeds at the press of a button (from the gearshifter). 5zingen makes one for the RSX/Integra type r. You still have to rev match, I think, and I wonder why good drivers would even find this advantageous.
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