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Old 02-19-2008 | 06:23 PM
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Lets look at expo1's over 100K renesis motor

Paul got Expo's motor and its all apart now.

Report your findings here Paul !

Here is Expo's Motor Status :

Originally Posted by expo1

111,900 miles when pulled
Started using Royal Purple 5w30 at 70,000
4oz Idemitsu Pre-mix per tank starting at 68,000

close to 30 hours track time (HPDE)

Compression check results done @ 98,000

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Old 02-19-2008 | 06:44 PM
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Some things to keep in mind

111,900 miles when pulled
Started using Royal Purple 5w30 at 70,000
4oz Idemitsu Pre-mix per tank starting at 68,000
close to 30 hours track time (HPDE)
Compression check results done @ 98,000
maintenance log located in THIS thread.

To Paul, if I did something wrong say so. This tear down thread is to help others.

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Old 02-19-2008 | 06:45 PM
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why is it being torn down? replacing it or rebuilding?
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With Expo's blessing, I will post all the pics, data and analysis here.

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So why the tear down? Other than slightly low compression. No catastrophic failures right?
Old 02-19-2008 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Easy_E1
So why the tear down? Other than slightly low compression. No catastrophic failures right?
Correct but I was having issues at the track, see my posts in THIS thread. Paul had a few rebuilds around and I had a bonus check. I could have driven my 8 around as is but If I wanted to run through the 'SS's' (turns 2,3,4) again at Watkins Glen I needed to do some work that would require dropping the motor. So why not get a Mazmart engine if I could.

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Old 02-19-2008 | 06:59 PM
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By the way, before we get into the findings regarding 'the deceased' I would like to make these two statements: We recommend shifting to 10W40 and running the RE-medy water pump as some of the basic starting points for even longer life.

I hope that you find the documentation of this tear-down and analysis useful and informative.

Paul.
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in Japan, they all recommend really heavy weight oil even for Renesis. I've seen 45

I need to get some new oil soon hmm .... money goes to 5w40 maybe ? or 10w40, since its getting warm anyway.
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Old 02-19-2008 | 07:28 PM
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Been running 10w40 for a year already
Old 02-19-2008 | 07:39 PM
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Old 02-19-2008 | 07:47 PM
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I dont really trust the 5w20 thing, so after around 5K miles I switch to 5w30.

Have been thinking about 5w40 for a while now.

Lets see what the motor looks like, then I'll make my order of my next oil
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Paul im confused about the 10w40 you recommend? Because I was told by a 28 + years rotary tech that anything above 5w30 in his words would turn your rotors into boat anchors. Some input would be nice.
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Originally Posted by slickrx8
Paul im confused about the 10w40 you recommend? Because I was told by a 28 + years rotary tech that anything above 5w30 in his words would turn your rotors into boat anchors. Some input would be nice.
I think he said it *probably* because he is seeing a lot of wear on certain area that could be avoided (or at least slow down the rate) when heavier weight of oil is used.

Im saying Maybe, just my thoughts.
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Originally Posted by staticlag
Been running 10w40 for a year already
I just checked, for 12 quarts of RP @ 5w40, it cost almost 100 bux shipped.

for RP 5w30, 80 bux shipped.

For QS Advance Q, 5w40 its about 50-60 bux shipped.

Redline, about 100 bux shipped, 5w40.


Which brand of 5w40 u're using ?
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subcribing. Can't wait for pics.
Old 02-19-2008 | 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Mazmart
By the way, before we get into the findings regarding 'the deceased' I would like to make these two statements: We recommend shifting to 10W40 and running the RE-medy water pump as some of the basic starting points for even longer life.

I hope that you find the documentation of this tear-down and analysis useful and informative.

Paul.
Is the RE-medy water pump that one that you guys sold to me? If it isn't and you guys sold me one pump and are now recommending another I'm coming down there to personally wring your neck! (shakes fist threatening)
Old 02-19-2008 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by nycgps
I just checked, for 12 quarts of RP @ 5w40, it cost almost 100 bux shipped.

for RP 5w30, 80 bux shipped.

For QS Advance Q, 5w40 its about 50-60 bux shipped.

Redline, about 100 bux shipped, 5w40.


Which brand of 5w40 u're using ?
I'm using castrol gtx 10w40 full dino oil. After my crucible tests I found it burned cleaner at low temps than Royal Purple, Valvoline dino, or Mobil 1.

Uh, walmart $15/4 qts I think. I still use the Purolator PureOne.

I hate to say this without some sort of hard evidence, but my temp gauge doesn't lie. 10w40 keeps oil temps down too on the track and on the street.

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Originally Posted by staticlag
I'm using castrol gtx 10w40 full dino oil. After my crucible tests I found it burned cleaner at low temps than Royal Purple, Valvoline dino, or Mobil 1.

Uh, walmart $15 I think. I still use the Purolator PureOne.

I hate to say this without some sort of hard evidence, but my temp gauge doesn't lie. 10w40 keeps oil temps down too on the track and on the street.
Thats good

Im gonna try some Quaker state Advance Q or RP 5w40.

Ok now, we all go back and wait for Paul's post
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The wear issue sounds related to RG post ( https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-tech-garage-22/renesis-engine-issues-finally-identified-138114/ ) about the problem of where the oil injectors are located.

I thought going to a very heavy oil would cause other types of lubrication problems as the OMP would not necessarily put enough of it out or the heavy oil would not do as a good of a job as the lighter oil at lubricating all the parts.

Therefore, the solution to our possible oil injector location problem, and thus wear problem, seems to be a good premix (not too much and not something that will clog or hurt performance).

The only setup I thought heavy oil (10w40 and up) was good for was racing and extreme heat, because the oil would break down faster and actually become a lighter weight.

Also, if you are using synthetic or dino that could make a difference in how fast the oil breaks down. With dino oil breaking down faster, so you can get away with using heavy dino oil (10w40), but you may not want to do that with a synthetic oil (which should be providing better protection anyway).

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Old 02-19-2008 | 08:49 PM
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A 10W40 is not a heavy oil. 5W20 is ridiculously thin.

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Originally Posted by sosonic
The wear issue sounds related to RG post ( https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=138114&page=1 ) about the problem of where the oil injectors are located.

I thought going to a very heavy oil would cause other types of lubrication problems as the OMP would not necessarily put enough of it out or the heavy oil would not do as a good of a job as the lighter oil at lubricating all the parts.

Therefore, the solution to our possible oil injector location problem, and thus wear problem, seems to be a good premix (not too much and not something that will clog or hurt performance).

The only setup I thought heavy oil (10w40 and up) was good for was racing and extreme heat, because the oil would break down faster and actually become a lighter weight.

Also, if you are using synthetic or dino that could make a difference in how fast the oil breaks down. With dino oil breaking down faster, so you can get away with using heavy dino oil (10w40), but you may not want to do that with a synthetic oil (which should be providing better protection anyway).
*sigh*


Originally Posted by CERAMICSEAL
A 10W40 is not a heavy oil. 5W20 is ridiculously thin.

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5w20 means one organization - C.A.F.E.
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Originally Posted by CERAMICSEAL
A 10W40 is not a heavy oil. 5W20 is ridiculously thin.

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True, I meant thick relative to 5W20 or 5W30.

I use synthetic 5W30, so I do believe in a little thicker and that 5W20 is too thin.

While Mazda was a bid crazy with recommending 5W20 in the U.S. Thinner oil does help a bit with MPG.

There is also the issue of when you start your car in the morning and the thickness of the oil. The thicker the oil, the more it thickens at night, and the more wear your engine might suffer when you start it up in the morning.


Originally Posted by nycgps
*sigh*

Why stop at 10W40? Why not 15W50 or 20W50 (except for winter)?

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