View Poll Results: Do you hear rattling/sand/marbles in can noise?
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"Marbles/Sand in Can" Problem -- please respond
#1
"Marbles/Sand in Can" Problem -- please respond
I know many of you have a "Marbles in Can" or "Sand in Can" problem coming from engine on the passanger side. My vehicle starting having this problem at around 160 miles and continues to do so.
As a reminder, I get a "sand in can/marbles in can" sound in every gear from 5800 RPM up to red line. It's really annoying because instead of hearing my engine (which is one main reason why I purchased the car), I hear this strong rattling noise which greatly diminishes my enjoyement of the car. Every person that I have had in the car has asked me what is wrong with my car...
After taking it to two dealers, I am confident that the issue is one of the following:
- air in heater core, or
- water in heater core
In either case, it's traveling so fast in the heater core that it creates this sound. Both Mazda dealerships basically said they empathizie with me but they don't know how to fix.
After much discussion with Mazda of USA, I am having the regional zone representative AND a technician from Mazda of USA meet me at my local shop to listen to the noise this Thursday.
I would like to start a poll and try and get an idea of how many people are having this issue. I would like to take this information with me to my meeting.
By the way, has anyone having this issue tried replacing the heater core?
I will post the results of my meeting on Thursday. This is definitely a good step and I look forward to helping find a resolution.
As a reminder, I get a "sand in can/marbles in can" sound in every gear from 5800 RPM up to red line. It's really annoying because instead of hearing my engine (which is one main reason why I purchased the car), I hear this strong rattling noise which greatly diminishes my enjoyement of the car. Every person that I have had in the car has asked me what is wrong with my car...
After taking it to two dealers, I am confident that the issue is one of the following:
- air in heater core, or
- water in heater core
In either case, it's traveling so fast in the heater core that it creates this sound. Both Mazda dealerships basically said they empathizie with me but they don't know how to fix.
After much discussion with Mazda of USA, I am having the regional zone representative AND a technician from Mazda of USA meet me at my local shop to listen to the noise this Thursday.
I would like to start a poll and try and get an idea of how many people are having this issue. I would like to take this information with me to my meeting.
By the way, has anyone having this issue tried replacing the heater core?
I will post the results of my meeting on Thursday. This is definitely a good step and I look forward to helping find a resolution.
#2
I am a meat popcicle
I don't really know what it sounds like, so I guess I don't have the problem (i.e. I don't notice any sounds at high RPM). I'd like to hear it just so I know what it sounds like. I'd ask if there's a sound clip anywhere, but then someone would say "Use the Search", then I'd have to admit that I'm lazy... It'd be a mess.
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Mine sounds like liquid behind the glove box. Easiest to hear if I'm not moving and blip to a high rev and then let go. Definitely not to noticeable for me, I have to be listening for it usually to hear it. But I only have a little over 20 K miles on the car,
#4
Mike54 did a recording:
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...6&page=3&pp=15
File description:
0-10 second, acceleration, 1st gear
10-16 second - 2nd gear, you can hear the noise between 13 and 16 second
16-21 second 3rd gear - the noise can be heard between 18 and 20 second
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...6&page=3&pp=15
File description:
0-10 second, acceleration, 1st gear
10-16 second - 2nd gear, you can hear the noise between 13 and 16 second
16-21 second 3rd gear - the noise can be heard between 18 and 20 second
#5
Air in Heater Core
I have the exact same thing...started when it was new...now has 5k miles on it. Sounds like rustling paper or running water...seems to get load around 6500 RPM on mine...all the way to redline. The local dealer talked to Mazda Technical service...as a test they bypassed the heater core...problem gone. Of course they couldn't leave it like this...so, the dealer ordered a new heater core...been 3 months...still waiting.
I have noticed the problem seems to be randomly loud...it is always there...but sometimes more subtile. With the colder weather...I hear it less.
I have noticed the problem seems to be randomly loud...it is always there...but sometimes more subtile. With the colder weather...I hear it less.
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Originally Posted by dhallag
Mike54 did a recording:
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...6&page=3&pp=15
File description:
0-10 second, acceleration, 1st gear
10-16 second - 2nd gear, you can hear the noise between 13 and 16 second
16-21 second 3rd gear - the noise can be heard between 18 and 20 second
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...6&page=3&pp=15
File description:
0-10 second, acceleration, 1st gear
10-16 second - 2nd gear, you can hear the noise between 13 and 16 second
16-21 second 3rd gear - the noise can be heard between 18 and 20 second
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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBalrog
Can't the intake manifold be replaced?
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Honestly Raptor, I wouldn't have the dealership replace the manifold just because of a sound that others seem to think is normal. Too much of a chance of the dealership breaking something else while they're in there "fixing" your problem.
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Originally Posted by blur-e-eyed
I have the exact same thing...started when it was new...now has 5k miles on it. Sounds like rustling paper or running water...seems to get load around 6500 RPM on mine...all the way to redline. The local dealer talked to Mazda Technical service...as a test they bypassed the heater core...problem gone. Of course they couldn't leave it like this...so, the dealer ordered a new heater core...been 3 months...still waiting.
I have noticed the problem seems to be randomly loud...it is always there...but sometimes more subtile. With the colder weather...I hear it less.
I have noticed the problem seems to be randomly loud...it is always there...but sometimes more subtile. With the colder weather...I hear it less.
Strangely enough, I don't think I noticed this noise at all before I put my RP Supercat on, which was only about 3k mi. ago (I have 34k mi. on the car) I wonder if the supercat could have anything to do with it?
#17
I have the mazdaspeed cat back dual muffler sport exhaust on mine... but I know it's the heatercore. Technician just crimped the hose to heatercore and noise went away.
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Originally Posted by dhallag
excuse my ignorance, but what is SDAIS?
It's what controls the opening and closing of our secondary and tertiary ports.
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Originally Posted by dhallag
Raptor2k, how did the technician diagnosis the problem was the intake manifold?
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I cant really hear anything special from the Clip. Maybe cuz the comp Im using have a suck *** speaker ?
Theres was some *ding ding ding ding* noise when going above 5500 rpm thru about 7K rpm. it happens *sometimes* between those RPM.
Not sure if its the *marble* sound or its just the secondary port opening. I seal the VFAD tube and it seems that the sound went away.(I think)
Let me go out and test right now. I have to pick up my gf anyway. Will report back once I get to her home (about hour and 1/2 from now)
Theres was some *ding ding ding ding* noise when going above 5500 rpm thru about 7K rpm. it happens *sometimes* between those RPM.
Not sure if its the *marble* sound or its just the secondary port opening. I seal the VFAD tube and it seems that the sound went away.(I think)
Let me go out and test right now. I have to pick up my gf anyway. Will report back once I get to her home (about hour and 1/2 from now)
#22
I don't buy Kool-Aid
Good luck with everything Darien and let me know if you need more info/help.
-Gilbert
EDIT:If you need me to mix down the tape of the "Sound/Noise" that I have captured on video, Send me a pm with a address and I will send you a dvd illustrating this issue that a lot of us are dealing with.
-Gilbert
EDIT:If you need me to mix down the tape of the "Sound/Noise" that I have captured on video, Send me a pm with a address and I will send you a dvd illustrating this issue that a lot of us are dealing with.
Last edited by DOMINION; 12-06-2006 at 01:52 AM.
#23
I am a meat popcicle
Originally Posted by dhallag
Mike54 did a recording:
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...6&page=3&pp=15
File description:
0-10 second, acceleration, 1st gear
10-16 second - 2nd gear, you can hear the noise between 13 and 16 second
16-21 second 3rd gear - the noise can be heard between 18 and 20 second
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...6&page=3&pp=15
File description:
0-10 second, acceleration, 1st gear
10-16 second - 2nd gear, you can hear the noise between 13 and 16 second
16-21 second 3rd gear - the noise can be heard between 18 and 20 second
#24
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Sorry about the late reply, my GF wont let me use internet (You know girls ..... said I pay attention to computer more than her ! .... SIGH!)
and I forgot about it until now ... ok here is my findings.
My car have almost the same sound. starting around 6K rpm I will get the *ding ding ding ding* sound, and after that about Over 7K rpm I will get some *fuuuuUuuuuuu buuuuuuuu* kinda like Water flowing sound.
but I think this is normal maybe? cuz Renesis by design. It opens the Secondary port at around 3500 RPM, Aux Port at about 6250. and Last Connecting intake at 7250
Those number match the sound that Im *hearing*. Does Anybody actually has a dead engine related to this *sound* yet ?
Im fine with the sound, I just treat it as *engine default* noise thats all :O
but its certainly a plus if we can get rid of it !
and I forgot about it until now ... ok here is my findings.
My car have almost the same sound. starting around 6K rpm I will get the *ding ding ding ding* sound, and after that about Over 7K rpm I will get some *fuuuuUuuuuuu buuuuuuuu* kinda like Water flowing sound.
but I think this is normal maybe? cuz Renesis by design. It opens the Secondary port at around 3500 RPM, Aux Port at about 6250. and Last Connecting intake at 7250
Those number match the sound that Im *hearing*. Does Anybody actually has a dead engine related to this *sound* yet ?
Im fine with the sound, I just treat it as *engine default* noise thats all :O
but its certainly a plus if we can get rid of it !