Mazda new engine replacement program
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which dealer called you in Austin and how many miles on your car?
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I asked a friend of mine today at a local mazda dealership who works at service.... his reply was shhhh and he says that they are just wondering how it wears with all the temp and weather conditions, he says that thats what they are being told at least.... and its pretty hush hush
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You know, you won't have a matching numbers car then.
It won't draw nearly as much money if you put your car up for auction at the Barrett Jackson Auction 50 years from now.
It won't draw nearly as much money if you put your car up for auction at the Barrett Jackson Auction 50 years from now.
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Originally Posted by Japan8
LOL... I am to please. :D
OZ has a great number of second hand Jap cars (even 15 years old) imported for resale. Many young blokes have very fast imported cars very cheaply. As we are RHD as in Japan, we are seeing many second hand car dealers only specialising in ex-Jap cars. This is really good for the drift scene as we are getting lots of FR Cars.
Keep sending them 9100RPM.
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Originally Posted by 9100RPM
Very good Japlish!
OZ has a great number of second hand Jap cars (even 15 years old) imported for resale. Many young blokes have very fast imported cars very cheaply. As we are RHD as in Japan, we are seeing many second hand car dealers only specialising in ex-Jap cars. This is really good for the drift scene as we are getting lots of FR Cars.
Keep sending them 9100RPM.
OZ has a great number of second hand Jap cars (even 15 years old) imported for resale. Many young blokes have very fast imported cars very cheaply. As we are RHD as in Japan, we are seeing many second hand car dealers only specialising in ex-Jap cars. This is really good for the drift scene as we are getting lots of FR Cars.
Keep sending them 9100RPM.
Um no.. it was a typo. It was supposed to be "I aim to please."
Unfortunately the number of FR cars is only dwindling in general. There is the Nissan replacement for the Sylvia (sp?)... but it may end up as FF. There is the upcoming Skyline GTR, current Syline and... almost everything else is FF, auto only or both.
Toyota... hahahaha.
Honda... what's FR again?
Mazda... RX-8, MS Atenza/6
Mitsubishi... they haven't gone "Chapter 11" yet?
Suzuki... yeah right.
Did I forget anyone?
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Originally Posted by jniamehr
I asked a friend of mine today at a local mazda dealership who works at service.... his reply was shhhh and he says that they are just wondering how it wears with all the temp and weather conditions, he says that thats what they are being told at least.... and its pretty hush hush
He says Honda will do something similar when they become aware of a problem in a particular car and need to examine affected cars. The fact that this is being kept "hush hush" is even more incriminating.
So, high-mileage folks -- keep tabs on how your engines are performing! Something may be cropping up soon.
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Originally Posted by Lock & Load
Sounds like someone is doing a shifty , claim new engine from MAZDA under warranty and swap and keep the perfectly good engine with 30,00km for self
cheers
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cheers
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Originally Posted by Aratinga
I ran this engine swap thing by my boyfriend, who works for American Honda in their corporate office's Technical Engineering department. His immediate response was, "They (Mazda) have a problem."
He says Honda will do something similar when they become aware of a problem in a particular car and need to examine affected cars. The fact that this is being kept "hush hush" is even more incriminating.
So, high-mileage folks -- keep tabs on how your engines are performing! Something may be cropping up soon.
He says Honda will do something similar when they become aware of a problem in a particular car and need to examine affected cars. The fact that this is being kept "hush hush" is even more incriminating.
So, high-mileage folks -- keep tabs on how your engines are performing! Something may be cropping up soon.
Does not sound too hush hush to me if dealers are calling customers. Why does everything on this board turn in to some super-secret plot?
The fact is, you do not know why they are collecting engines.
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Originally Posted by Mazda Monkey
Does not sound too hush hush to me if dealers are calling customers. Why does everything on this board turn in to some super-secret plot?
The fact is, you do not know why they are collecting engines.
The fact is, you do not know why they are collecting engines.
No... the issue isn't about it supposed being hush hush and thus some plot. The issue is the plain fact that Mazda is pulling engines. It just isn't done... not unless there is some potential problem they want to check on... Come on... SOP.
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Originally Posted by Aratinga
I ran this engine swap thing by my boyfriend, who works for American Honda in their corporate office's Technical Engineering department. His immediate response was, "They (Mazda) have a problem."
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This is probably ligit. I feel the Honda guy and others are wrong. I bet Honda does what Yamaha does (where I work) and that is when a totally new product is released we do "Monitor" units. Usually we select the customers ahead of time and specially inspect the units before release. That way we know the exact dimensions of each part when new and later inspected. We also have bought back some normal production units for inspection, but prefer the monitor units as more know information.
This is done for many reasons. 1. No testing can exactly match what happens in real life. Look at the space program failures. 2. The number of test units is limited by the available facilities and manpower. So may not cover all conditions before some return on investment (selling the product) is required by the company. The need for the "M" flash is an example of this. 3. It takes a lot gasoline to do extensive testing, so cheaper to buy back a unit. Also gasoline chemistry varies quite a bit and not all variations can be tested. 4. Profesional operators in a test lab are good drivers, so may not duplicat the conditions of some of the wild drivers in the USA. etc. --- Got the idea.
This is done for many reasons. 1. No testing can exactly match what happens in real life. Look at the space program failures. 2. The number of test units is limited by the available facilities and manpower. So may not cover all conditions before some return on investment (selling the product) is required by the company. The need for the "M" flash is an example of this. 3. It takes a lot gasoline to do extensive testing, so cheaper to buy back a unit. Also gasoline chemistry varies quite a bit and not all variations can be tested. 4. Profesional operators in a test lab are good drivers, so may not duplicat the conditions of some of the wild drivers in the USA. etc. --- Got the idea.
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I can certainly buy the idea that Mazda is simply gathering information on how well the Renesis holds up after a certain amount of use... but then why not simply purchase high-mileage cars at auction rather than inconvenience current owners?
My guess is that they're selecting certain cars based on a known maintenance history -- hence having dealers call specific customer-owners with high mileage 8s that have a documented maintenance history with the dealer. I still think they've come across something that may compromise engine longevity.
Apex seals were the Achilles' Heel of previous rotary engines, weren't they? Wouldn't Mazda have to pretty much dissect an engine completely to examine them? Wouldn't that preclude re-inserting that engine back into a car and thus require them to offer a brand new engine?
Just idle speculation here.... It's me and Ike against the world! :D
My guess is that they're selecting certain cars based on a known maintenance history -- hence having dealers call specific customer-owners with high mileage 8s that have a documented maintenance history with the dealer. I still think they've come across something that may compromise engine longevity.
Apex seals were the Achilles' Heel of previous rotary engines, weren't they? Wouldn't Mazda have to pretty much dissect an engine completely to examine them? Wouldn't that preclude re-inserting that engine back into a car and thus require them to offer a brand new engine?
Just idle speculation here.... It's me and Ike against the world! :D
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Originally Posted by TRZ750
This is probably ligit. I feel the Honda guy and others are wrong. I bet Honda does what Yamaha does (where I work) and that is when a totally new product is released we do "Monitor" units. Usually we select the customers ahead of time and specially inspect the units before release. That way we know the exact dimensions of each part when new and later inspected. We also have bought back some normal production units for inspection, but prefer the monitor units as more know information.
This is done for many reasons. 1. No testing can exactly match what happens in real life. Look at the space program failures. 2. The number of test units is limited by the available facilities and manpower. So may not cover all conditions before some return on investment (selling the product) is required by the company. The need for the "M" flash is an example of this. 3. It takes a lot gasoline to do extensive testing, so cheaper to buy back a unit. Also gasoline chemistry varies quite a bit and not all variations can be tested. 4. Profesional operators in a test lab are good drivers, so may not duplicat the conditions of some of the wild drivers in the USA. etc. --- Got the idea.
This is done for many reasons. 1. No testing can exactly match what happens in real life. Look at the space program failures. 2. The number of test units is limited by the available facilities and manpower. So may not cover all conditions before some return on investment (selling the product) is required by the company. The need for the "M" flash is an example of this. 3. It takes a lot gasoline to do extensive testing, so cheaper to buy back a unit. Also gasoline chemistry varies quite a bit and not all variations can be tested. 4. Profesional operators in a test lab are good drivers, so may not duplicat the conditions of some of the wild drivers in the USA. etc. --- Got the idea.
Considering what motocycle engines go through and that it is the heart of both Honda and Yamaha, you'd think they'd do it on bikes. Doesn't seem like it. Never heard of engines being pulled JDM for this, nor would Japanese customers even stand for it. It's ridiculous. Even if it's free, an engine swap is an inconvenience and thus a no no unless it is deemed absolutely necessary... and then you still have to explain it to the customers.
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Originally Posted by Aratinga
I can certainly buy the idea that Mazda is simply gathering information on how well the Renesis holds up after a certain amount of use... but then why not simply purchase high-mileage cars at auction rather than inconvenience current owners?
My guess is that they're selecting certain cars based on a known maintenance history -- hence having dealers call specific customer-owners with high mileage 8s that have a documented maintenance history with the dealer. I still think they've come across something that may compromise engine longevity.
Apex seals were the Achilles' Heel of previous rotary engines, weren't they? Wouldn't Mazda have to pretty much dissect an engine completely to examine them? Wouldn't that preclude re-inserting that engine back into a car and thus require them to offer a brand new engine?
Just idle speculation here.... It's me and Ike against the world! :D
My guess is that they're selecting certain cars based on a known maintenance history -- hence having dealers call specific customer-owners with high mileage 8s that have a documented maintenance history with the dealer. I still think they've come across something that may compromise engine longevity.
Apex seals were the Achilles' Heel of previous rotary engines, weren't they? Wouldn't Mazda have to pretty much dissect an engine completely to examine them? Wouldn't that preclude re-inserting that engine back into a car and thus require them to offer a brand new engine?
Just idle speculation here.... It's me and Ike against the world! :D
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Originally Posted by Japan8
Never heard of engines being pulled JDM for this, nor would Japanese customers even stand for it. It's ridiculous. Even if it's free, an engine swap is an inconvenience and thus a no no unless it is deemed absolutely necessary... and then you still have to explain it to the customers.
If it ain't broke... DON'T FIX IT!!
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Has this been verified ?
Called my dealer (Galpin Mazda)Van Nuys CA)
The service department told me NO SUCH PROGRAM exists- and they have'nt seen anything unusal what so ever- on the early 04's- some of which are approaching and some over the 30K mark. Is this just an urban legend?
The service department told me NO SUCH PROGRAM exists- and they have'nt seen anything unusal what so ever- on the early 04's- some of which are approaching and some over the 30K mark. Is this just an urban legend?
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Maybe they are interested in people that used synthetic oils in their engines? Or longer change intervals?
There should be a link between all those people.... here we go, full conspiracy theories
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There should be a link between all those people.... here we go, full conspiracy theories
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Originally Posted by FrankPatrick
Called my dealer (Galpin Mazda Van Nuys CA)
The service department told me NO SUCH PROGRAM exists- and they have'nt seen anything unusal what so ever- on the early 04's- some of which are approaching and some over the 30K mark. Is this just an urban legend?
The service department told me NO SUCH PROGRAM exists- and they have'nt seen anything unusal what so ever- on the early 04's- some of which are approaching and some over the 30K mark. Is this just an urban legend?
Originally Posted by Mazda Monkey
I heard the same through the grapevine, only a few top dealers have been selected. The engines are complete assembly line style engines plug-n-play, complete with clutch, manifolds, alternator etc.... May be a good deal if you are beyond the factory warranty period?
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hmm interesting...i haven't gotten any calls and i'm sitting at 30.5k miles ah well guess they don't love me. most of those miles were down in Ga (savannah area)..hot and humid...no problems at all with my 8 (well not counting the dealership down there messing her up a lill bit)....but as far as my car is concerned she's doing great
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Originally Posted by IkeWRX
A couple people reported this at about the same time on different threads so I'd say it's something that Mazda is actually doing.