New Shell Gas?
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New Shell Gas?
Anyone use this new "nitrogen enriched" fuel from Shell yet? Been filling up with v-power 93 octane for years but i'm a little worry about this nitrogen enriched stuff just dont know much about it and its effects (if any) on a rotary engine.
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I noticed this as well when I filled up last week. Don't know anything about it.
marketing gimmick? who knows
marketing gimmick? who knows
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I saw a commercial about it on TV. They showed it removing carbon deposits from the valves of a piston engine. If it removes carbon, I can't imagine that it would be bad for a rotary.
http://www.shell.us/home/content/usa...e_experts.html
http://www.shell.us/home/content/usa...e_experts.html
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WTF?
I googled this in disbelief.
Nitrogen is an inert gas, so it adds nothing in terms of power to the engine. Also, whatever space it takes up in the gasoline means that you are paying for.... NOTHING. I can't see nitrogen being good for anything other than tires.
Also, emissions tests around here measure NOx 's (and say they cause respiratory disease in children*). Wouldn't adding more nitrogen make this problem worse?
This is a marketing coup if they pull it off. ShamWOW!
All imho... I ain't no organic chemist.
Could someone with more knowledge please 'splain?
*http://www.aircare.ca/repinfo-glossary.php#nox
I googled this in disbelief.
Nitrogen is an inert gas, so it adds nothing in terms of power to the engine. Also, whatever space it takes up in the gasoline means that you are paying for.... NOTHING. I can't see nitrogen being good for anything other than tires.
Also, emissions tests around here measure NOx 's (and say they cause respiratory disease in children*). Wouldn't adding more nitrogen make this problem worse?
This is a marketing coup if they pull it off. ShamWOW!
All imho... I ain't no organic chemist.
Could someone with more knowledge please 'splain?
*http://www.aircare.ca/repinfo-glossary.php#nox
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Let me google that for you...
http://petrochemical-plants.blogspot...-by-shell.html
A few blogs basically say, based on Shell's marketing material, that the nitrogen enriched cleaning agents hold up better in higher temp environments such as DI and higher temp combustion chambers. It's supposed to be more effective. Who knows, maybe it will help with our carbon build up issues?
Haven't seen anything except the marketing material though.
http://petrochemical-plants.blogspot...-by-shell.html
A few blogs basically say, based on Shell's marketing material, that the nitrogen enriched cleaning agents hold up better in higher temp environments such as DI and higher temp combustion chambers. It's supposed to be more effective. Who knows, maybe it will help with our carbon build up issues?
Haven't seen anything except the marketing material though.
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I'll shoot a PM to Stealth now, dont' everybody go spamming his inbox.
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just pulled this off Shell's site:
Shell Launches New Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines
Shell Launches New Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines
Introducing a new molecule designed to seek and destroy engine gunk in both conventional and modern engines.
Houston – Today at Shell stations across the U.S., consumers will fill-up with a new product at the pumps. Shell is introducing the all-new Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines, containing a unique, patented cleaning system designed to seek and destroy engine “gunk” (carbon deposits) in all three grades of gasoline. The new Nitrogen Enriched cleaning system protects and cleans up gunky build-up on intake valves and fuel injectors left by lower quality gasolines.
Nitrogen is a key element of the active cleaning molecule in the new fuel, making it significantly more stable at higher temperatures common in modern engines, such as direct fuel-injection gasoline engines. The increased stability ensures that the molecule can work under much tougher engine conditions by resisting thermal breakdown better than conventional cleaning additives.
“At Shell, our ‘Passionate Experts’ are dedicated to helping motorists get the most out of every drop of gasoline,” said Jens Mueller-Belau, Fuels Portfolio and Category Manager North America, Shell Retail.. “With Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines, our scientists have increased the effectiveness of our cleaning additive, offering consumers our most advanced technology ever.”
In addition to developing the new fuel with the consumer in mind, Shell worked very closely with automotive manufacturers to gain insight into current and future engine technologies. These insights along with fuels technology leadership and a strong research and development program help Shell continually improve its products.
Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines were tested in laboratories, independent testing facilities, and on the road, accumulating more than a half-million miles in various vehicles and engines—including conventional, turbo-charged, and direct fuel-injection gasoline engines, hybrids, newer vehicles with low mileage, and older vehicles with high mileage.
Shell scientists also used innovative testing technologies such as dual fuel engines to conduct head-to-head comparisons with other lower quality gasolines. In these tests, split engines simultaneously run on different types of gasoline in order to collect data under the exact same conditions. The results of these head-to-head comparisons proved that the Shell Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines are more effective than lower quality gasolines in protecting against the build-up of harmful engine gunk.
“In today’s tough economy, American drivers are concerned about protecting their vehicle since it’s one of their largest investments,” said Mueller-Belau. “We want to help protect that investment. That’s why we want them to educate consumers that there is a difference in the gasoline they choose. Using lower quality gasolines can result in gunky build-up on critical engine parts, negatively impacting engine performance. Shell gasolines help drivers say ‘No’ to gunk.”
The Nitrogen Enriched formula is proven to prevent build-up of gunk more effectively than gasolines containing only the minimum amount of cleaning agents as required by the EPA.
The new cleaning system is certified to meet the TOP TIER Detergent Gasoline Standard – voluntary standards designated by some of the world’s top automakers (Audi, BMW, GM, Honda, Toyota, Volkswagen) to try to raise the bar on fuel quality beyond minimum government criteria. Industry research has proven that a clean engine results in better fuel efficiency, reduced emissions, and overall optimal vehicle performance.
In addition, Shell V-Power® premium gasoline provides maximum protection with the highest concentration of the Nitrogen Enriched cleaning system and more than five times the minimum amount of cleaning agents required by federal government standards. It seeks and destroys engine gunk even faster than regular Shell gasoline, providing maximum protection to help vehicles maintain peak performance.
Shell is supporting the launch of Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines with a national marketing campaign, including national TV, radio and online advertising, as well as point-of-purchase signage at Shell-branded stations nationwide. The new campaign builds-on the current “Passionate Experts” platform, focusing on the company’s commitment to fuel quality and passion for developing innovative new products.
“At Shell, we believe it’s important to educate consumers that all gasolines are not the same—high quality gasoline can make a difference in a vehicle,” said Karen Wildman, Shell U.S. brand and communications manager. “We’re dedicated to continuous product improvement and innovation, and to helping consumers get the most out of every drop.”
For additional information on Shell Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines, visit www.passionate-experts.shell.com.
Houston – Today at Shell stations across the U.S., consumers will fill-up with a new product at the pumps. Shell is introducing the all-new Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines, containing a unique, patented cleaning system designed to seek and destroy engine “gunk” (carbon deposits) in all three grades of gasoline. The new Nitrogen Enriched cleaning system protects and cleans up gunky build-up on intake valves and fuel injectors left by lower quality gasolines.
Nitrogen is a key element of the active cleaning molecule in the new fuel, making it significantly more stable at higher temperatures common in modern engines, such as direct fuel-injection gasoline engines. The increased stability ensures that the molecule can work under much tougher engine conditions by resisting thermal breakdown better than conventional cleaning additives.
“At Shell, our ‘Passionate Experts’ are dedicated to helping motorists get the most out of every drop of gasoline,” said Jens Mueller-Belau, Fuels Portfolio and Category Manager North America, Shell Retail.. “With Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines, our scientists have increased the effectiveness of our cleaning additive, offering consumers our most advanced technology ever.”
In addition to developing the new fuel with the consumer in mind, Shell worked very closely with automotive manufacturers to gain insight into current and future engine technologies. These insights along with fuels technology leadership and a strong research and development program help Shell continually improve its products.
Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines were tested in laboratories, independent testing facilities, and on the road, accumulating more than a half-million miles in various vehicles and engines—including conventional, turbo-charged, and direct fuel-injection gasoline engines, hybrids, newer vehicles with low mileage, and older vehicles with high mileage.
Shell scientists also used innovative testing technologies such as dual fuel engines to conduct head-to-head comparisons with other lower quality gasolines. In these tests, split engines simultaneously run on different types of gasoline in order to collect data under the exact same conditions. The results of these head-to-head comparisons proved that the Shell Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines are more effective than lower quality gasolines in protecting against the build-up of harmful engine gunk.
“In today’s tough economy, American drivers are concerned about protecting their vehicle since it’s one of their largest investments,” said Mueller-Belau. “We want to help protect that investment. That’s why we want them to educate consumers that there is a difference in the gasoline they choose. Using lower quality gasolines can result in gunky build-up on critical engine parts, negatively impacting engine performance. Shell gasolines help drivers say ‘No’ to gunk.”
The Nitrogen Enriched formula is proven to prevent build-up of gunk more effectively than gasolines containing only the minimum amount of cleaning agents as required by the EPA.
The new cleaning system is certified to meet the TOP TIER Detergent Gasoline Standard – voluntary standards designated by some of the world’s top automakers (Audi, BMW, GM, Honda, Toyota, Volkswagen) to try to raise the bar on fuel quality beyond minimum government criteria. Industry research has proven that a clean engine results in better fuel efficiency, reduced emissions, and overall optimal vehicle performance.
In addition, Shell V-Power® premium gasoline provides maximum protection with the highest concentration of the Nitrogen Enriched cleaning system and more than five times the minimum amount of cleaning agents required by federal government standards. It seeks and destroys engine gunk even faster than regular Shell gasoline, providing maximum protection to help vehicles maintain peak performance.
Shell is supporting the launch of Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines with a national marketing campaign, including national TV, radio and online advertising, as well as point-of-purchase signage at Shell-branded stations nationwide. The new campaign builds-on the current “Passionate Experts” platform, focusing on the company’s commitment to fuel quality and passion for developing innovative new products.
“At Shell, we believe it’s important to educate consumers that all gasolines are not the same—high quality gasoline can make a difference in a vehicle,” said Karen Wildman, Shell U.S. brand and communications manager. “We’re dedicated to continuous product improvement and innovation, and to helping consumers get the most out of every drop.”
For additional information on Shell Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines, visit www.passionate-experts.shell.com.
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it's very scientific.
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Nitrogen like Nitrous?! OMfG NOZZZ BOOOOOOST!!!!111
Seriously though, it's all probably just marketing and stuff. Maybe it'll help a little, but I doubt it'll have a drastic impact on your engine... ESPECIALLY if you live in CA.
Damn them and their gazillion fuel regulations...
Seriously though, it's all probably just marketing and stuff. Maybe it'll help a little, but I doubt it'll have a drastic impact on your engine... ESPECIALLY if you live in CA.
Damn them and their gazillion fuel regulations...
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Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines were tested in laboratories, independent testing facilities, and on the road, accumulating more than a half-million miles in various vehicles and engines—including conventional, turbo-charged, and direct fuel-injection gasoline engines, hybrids, newer vehicles with low mileage, and older vehicles with high mileage.
-sigh-
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yeah, I was hoping they'd list it but as usual we have been forgotten.
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I haven't heard a word about it - must be just in the US, we don't have this in Canada.
I do work for shell, in a refinery, but we are probably the last people to know!
I can tell you that the cleaning additive part of Formula Shell was based on a potassium compound - they must have found a better cleaner?
I do work for shell, in a refinery, but we are probably the last people to know!
I can tell you that the cleaning additive part of Formula Shell was based on a potassium compound - they must have found a better cleaner?