seat belt minder shutoff?
03-19-2008, 10:05 AM
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It's real simple. A guy on a motorcycle can go flying through the air without hitting anything. A driver in a car has to fly through glass, first. It's not the "projectile" you're becoming from the car that'll kill you; it's the ramming face-first into hard glass windshield that'll do it. A motorcycle doesn't have that concern.
That, and motorcycle helmet laws are in effect in the majority of states, so that sort of kills your arguement, too...
Not to mention, there hasn't been a comprehensive look at motorcycle helmet safety in over 30 years, to prove whether a helmet does or does not "save lives". However, seat belts HAVE been proven, time and time again, to save lives. So that's the BIGGEST difference right there between the two. Helmets "may" save lives, but seat belts have been PROVEN to do so.
If the FHWA would ever do a real comprehensive study on motorcycle helmets, and if they conclude without a doubt they do save lives (aka, no more circumstantial evidence where someone wore a helmet, lived, but someone didn't wear a helmet and died, completely disregarding the idea that the one w/o the helmet was drunk as a skunk and ran themself right off the side of the road and impaled himself with a guardrail post through his freaking heart...aka, helmet wouldn't have mattered...), I guarantee they will become mandatory everywhere. But until then, that's just not going to happen.
That, and motorcycle helmet laws are in effect in the majority of states, so that sort of kills your arguement, too...
Not to mention, there hasn't been a comprehensive look at motorcycle helmet safety in over 30 years, to prove whether a helmet does or does not "save lives". However, seat belts HAVE been proven, time and time again, to save lives. So that's the BIGGEST difference right there between the two. Helmets "may" save lives, but seat belts have been PROVEN to do so.
If the FHWA would ever do a real comprehensive study on motorcycle helmets, and if they conclude without a doubt they do save lives (aka, no more circumstantial evidence where someone wore a helmet, lived, but someone didn't wear a helmet and died, completely disregarding the idea that the one w/o the helmet was drunk as a skunk and ran themself right off the side of the road and impaled himself with a guardrail post through his freaking heart...aka, helmet wouldn't have mattered...), I guarantee they will become mandatory everywhere. But until then, that's just not going to happen.
03-19-2008, 10:38 AM
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Done properly, accident statistics really do tell the story. A good analysis will account for factors other than helmet/no helmet. Done improperly (like the "air bags save lives" studies that ignore the possibility that seat belts were a factor) one can prove or disprove anything.
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03-19-2008, 11:25 AM
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One of my uncle never ever buckle up. He has been driving for the past 25+ years.
He hardly drives more than 2 miles. His work place is just like a 5-10 minutes drive from his apartment. we always tell him to do it but his reply was *too lazy*.
and surprisingly he has never been caught.
Hell even I got checked by cops like couple of times, and I just started driving couple years ago, different car I guess (I drive Rx-8, he drives nothing but mini-vans and suvs)
He hardly drives more than 2 miles. His work place is just like a 5-10 minutes drive from his apartment. we always tell him to do it but his reply was *too lazy*.
and surprisingly he has never been caught.
Hell even I got checked by cops like couple of times, and I just started driving couple years ago, different car I guess (I drive Rx-8, he drives nothing but mini-vans and suvs)
03-19-2008, 12:03 PM
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Im not a big fan of the mandatory seat belt laws. I try to buckle up when i have kids to set a good example. But if i have adult passengers i could care less if theyre buckled up or not. I'm so glad that the '04 dont have the nanny buzzer.
I do think though, if car manufactureres and lawmakers are serious about people fastening their seatbelts. why not make sure that the car wont start if the driver isnt buckled in? Im sure with the electronics nowadays, it shouldnt be to complicated.
I do think though, if car manufactureres and lawmakers are serious about people fastening their seatbelts. why not make sure that the car wont start if the driver isnt buckled in? Im sure with the electronics nowadays, it shouldnt be to complicated.
03-19-2008, 12:24 PM
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People nowadays seem to forget about a now cruicial factor with seatbelt use - the fact of the airbags are designed to inflate a certain distance towards the driver and that distance was determined with the seatbelts being in use!
If you don't have your belt on during an impact your body will fly towards the steering wheel more then it shoud and will be in the path of the airbag which is now going the opposite direction. Instead of the airbag stopping your head, it will now hit your head and drive it backwards - increasing the impact your head receives by 2 or 3x.
If you still have a head on your shoulders, you will have one hell of a headache. In fact you can find lots of documented cases of decapitation from airbags when no seatbelts are in use.
If you don't have your belt on during an impact your body will fly towards the steering wheel more then it shoud and will be in the path of the airbag which is now going the opposite direction. Instead of the airbag stopping your head, it will now hit your head and drive it backwards - increasing the impact your head receives by 2 or 3x.
If you still have a head on your shoulders, you will have one hell of a headache. In fact you can find lots of documented cases of decapitation from airbags when no seatbelts are in use.
03-19-2008, 12:28 PM
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Seat belt and the motorcyclist helmet laws aside… The safety design of a car (seat belts, crumple zones, framing, seat belts and that little piece of styrofoam behind your front bumper) are designed to work in whole, not in part. If any part of the design is altered or bypassed, the system is compromised. To have someone in your car not wearing a seat belt is the same as putting 180 pound object in your car unrestrained. In a collision they/it becomes a projectile with no control over what they are going to hit, including the driver. If by chance you do have an opportunity of controlling your car in a collision, you just lost it. Concerning the OP, it is his choice to wear or not to wear a seat belt. If I were privy to the information on how to disable this ‘safety’ feature/annoyance, in this day of ambulance chasing litigation happy lawyers I would have to refrain from providing it as a matter of financial preservation.
Legal disclaimer: I am not a lawyer nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Legal disclaimer: I am not a lawyer nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
03-19-2008, 12:34 PM
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Im not a big fan of the mandatory seat belt laws. I try to buckle up when i have kids to set a good example. But if i have adult passengers i could care less if theyre buckled up or not. I'm so glad that the '04 dont have the nanny buzzer.
I do think though, if car manufactureres and lawmakers are serious about people fastening their seatbelts. why not make sure that the car wont start if the driver isnt buckled in? Im sure with the electronics nowadays, it shouldnt be to complicated.
I do think though, if car manufactureres and lawmakers are serious about people fastening their seatbelts. why not make sure that the car wont start if the driver isnt buckled in? Im sure with the electronics nowadays, it shouldnt be to complicated.
As for the 'Starter Interlock / Seat beat' thing that was on a few cars in the late 70's, customer revolt made it go away fast.
03-19-2008, 12:36 PM
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Not having passengers wear belts can haunt you the rest of your life, ask Nick Hogan
As for the 'Starter Interlock / Seat beat' thing that was on a few cars in the late 70's, customer revolt made it go away fast.
As for the 'Starter Interlock / Seat beat' thing that was on a few cars in the late 70's, customer revolt made it go away fast.
03-19-2008, 02:17 PM
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My argument is not that seat belts save lives. My question is why is saving your life someone else's choice for you? Perhaps we'd have fewer dumb drivers on the road if we didn't enforce namby pamby laws.
03-19-2008, 02:26 PM
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You should care if your friends aren't buckling up. In an accident unbelted passengers become projectiles within the vehicle itself and can hit and kill you, even if you've buckled up.
The reason it's forced on you is because EVERYONE has to pay insurance, and when your dumb *** launches yourself through the windshield of your car and requires $250,000 to be put back together again, EVERYONE pays a higher premium.
Now I'm with you on personal freedom, but the way the system is right now, its best for everyone to buckle up. If there was a way that you could tell your insurance company "I'm not going to buckle my seatbelt" and they could tell you "then we wont cover your medical bills in an accident" I'd be totally fine with people not wearing their seat belts, because their actions don't effect my insurance rates.
The reason it's forced on you is because EVERYONE has to pay insurance, and when your dumb *** launches yourself through the windshield of your car and requires $250,000 to be put back together again, EVERYONE pays a higher premium.
Now I'm with you on personal freedom, but the way the system is right now, its best for everyone to buckle up. If there was a way that you could tell your insurance company "I'm not going to buckle my seatbelt" and they could tell you "then we wont cover your medical bills in an accident" I'd be totally fine with people not wearing their seat belts, because their actions don't effect my insurance rates.
03-19-2008, 02:32 PM
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Agreed, and it can be noted that if you are in the military or a military dependent, Tricare will not cover your medical expenses if you are not wearing a seat belt.
03-19-2008, 05:21 PM
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Funny enough I don't go anywhere outside of a driveway or parking lot without buckling up, but I would like the chime disabled just because when I'm moving my car 50 feet in a driveway I dislike being beeped at. It's not like I'm going to forget putting my seatbelt on; I find it a pretty weird sensation to be inside a moving car without the belt on.
03-20-2008, 01:23 PM
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It's not hence I didn't create a subject for trying to turn it off. However, since the subject is here I might as well elaborate why I don't want the chime since it seems a lot of people are believing that people want it off to be able to drive everywhere without a seatbelt. While it's not that bad, it's certainly not good either...
03-20-2008, 01:41 PM
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Doesn't the chime go off after a few beeps? Why is it an issue at all?
and more to the point:
Military or not, you can bet your *** if you die in an accident w/o a seat belt, in a state that makes seat belt use a law, the insurance company will wiggle out of anything they can. It's all b/c our lawmakers have a long standing tradition of f8cking Joe Public while playing the back scratching game.
The reason it's forced on you is because EVERYONE has to pay insurance, and when your dumb *** launches yourself through the windshield of your car and requires $250,000 to be put back together again, EVERYONE pays a higher premium.
Now I'm with you on personal freedom, but the way the system is right now, its best for everyone to buckle up. If there was a way that you could tell your insurance company "I'm not going to buckle my seatbelt" and they could tell you "then we wont cover your medical bills in an accident" I'd be totally fine with people not wearing their seat belts, because their actions don't effect my insurance rates.
Now I'm with you on personal freedom, but the way the system is right now, its best for everyone to buckle up. If there was a way that you could tell your insurance company "I'm not going to buckle my seatbelt" and they could tell you "then we wont cover your medical bills in an accident" I'd be totally fine with people not wearing their seat belts, because their actions don't effect my insurance rates.
and more to the point:
Military or not, you can bet your *** if you die in an accident w/o a seat belt, in a state that makes seat belt use a law, the insurance company will wiggle out of anything they can. It's all b/c our lawmakers have a long standing tradition of f8cking Joe Public while playing the back scratching game.
11-06-2008, 10:50 PM
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k I'm bringing this thread back to life because I'm curious too because I'm getting after market seats at some point with a harness and everything. Can I just connect a connector to something or other so the light wont come on?
11-11-2008, 05:47 AM
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I don't have a seat belt chime, but I do believe my light comes on, along with an air bag light I think. I'll check in a few hours. Is the light ur only issue?
11-11-2008, 09:22 PM
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is this really a discussion?
there one of 3 choices to go with to get rid of the belt reminder chime.
1) if no different than any other seat belts, this should have a connector at the bottom of the buckle underneath the seat. (may cause an airbag light...)
2) either make yourself a dummy buckle out of sheet metal or source one from a wrecking yard and plug it in to your buckle.
3) just drive for a few minutes, it eventually goes away.
there one of 3 choices to go with to get rid of the belt reminder chime.
1) if no different than any other seat belts, this should have a connector at the bottom of the buckle underneath the seat. (may cause an airbag light...)
2) either make yourself a dummy buckle out of sheet metal or source one from a wrecking yard and plug it in to your buckle.
3) just drive for a few minutes, it eventually goes away.