trakfloater07

I'm in the same boat. I bought my car in the beginning of January. 04 with 58k and already a new engine. I have only had the car for 5 weeks and haven't had it for 1 1/2 of those weeks. I am getting a new engine but still you know I'm without the car im paying good money for for a while. Just a big inconvenience.

nycgps

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funny,

Any car/brand can have lemon.

You did not change your coils. Your problem.

Engine is bad, but did you ever do the update/Recall ?

Mazda under estimate the OMP rate. thats why Recall flash came out + 8 year/100K warranty. I think thats a pretty responsible act. I give them credit for it.

my engine failed too, at 48K, and Im a maintenance freak. I dont blame Mazda tho, cuz at least they man up and gave us all 100K/8Yr warranty on the Short Block. they know what they did wrong at the OMP. and how bad it did to the engine. so yeah, I give them credit for that. they never asked me for oil change proof, probably because MNAO people knows who am I (yeah I know Im a loser posting so much this site is my home ... )

The Engine itself is alright and there is nothing wrong with it. sure its not perfect but which engine is perfect ?

there are engines with 150K out there without any problem. I dont see you talk about those.

OP, you have failed.

SilverRenesis

U know, more power to you if you like Faulty engines, I on the other side dont. Only fault I can blame myself for is not changing the coils, "was planning on changing it later in time" If the engine would of been damaged cuz of the coils, then blame me, but they wernt, Carbon build up and tear and wear caused low compression, at least thats what the service person told me at mazda. Its nice of mazda to ramp up the warranty, is not like im a big timmer anyways to really be able to win a lawsuit against MAZDA, But still, the fact still remains, this cars were rushed out "o4s and 05s, They are faulty... and about your engines that you are talking about"150k without no problem" well lucky for them, " THE FEW"

SilverRenesis

Well, I got another call, Engine its on its way... Should be here monday, I have some questions..
IS my car now considered rebuilt title, since i got a new engine, is this going to effect my resale value, also, with having a new engine, will my car be more reliable, or worst.. I have a friend who told me, once you have a new engine, your call will not be/act the same, is this true?

Huey52

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No, it just has a rebuilt engine. Same title.

Actually, buyers in the know will be pleased that as an '04 it has a new engine.

It should behave better and ultimately be more reliable as it will start fresh accompanied by the updated ECU flash that addressed increased apex seal oil metering.

Is your friend named Jack? 'cause he don't know jack ....

SilverRenesis

Thanks for the info..

Mawnee

Engien replacement has nothing to do with your title or insurance. The only way it will hurt your resale value is if you go telling whoever you sell it to that you had to have it replaced.
Your car will be like it has a new engine?

I had to have an engine replaced in my Vette under warranty(spun rod bearing at 80k). Car ran just fine witht he new engine. Even better, I proceeded to mod the hell out of that new engine(cam,heads,procharger ect.) and it never missed a beat.

I know you are cranky now, but just take a deep breath and see this through. When you get your car back it will be good as new. And now you will have the engine from mile 1, so you know it will be taken care of properly from the very start.

RIWWP

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Yeah, and I have heard of lots of these engines lasting over 100k, I think a couple are about to hit 200k. Could you spread it around a bit and bash on those too for being faulty? Cause something clearly is wrong with them.

ANY dealership will always ask you for receipts when they have to replace the engine. Guess what, I had all the receipts for my 2002 Corolla when it's engine blew, and Toyota still wanted to fight me on. Providing the receipts is standard operating procedure for any dealer, any manufacturer, and any owner that complains about this part of it is retarded. All they are doing is verifying that you didn't run it out of oil and coolant like this guy...https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-trouble-shooting-95/mazda-denied-warranty-engine-replacement-190513/ Verifying the work you did shouldn't be a surprise or anything to get angry about. Hell, if you take that much pride in your maintenance, it should be a proud moment handing that over saying "yes, I took great care of this car".

Right. How else can they verify that you are maintaining it other than asking for receipts?

Not rebuilt title. If you are selling to a blind dumbass owner that doesn't know anything about rotaries, then telling them it has a new engine will probably decrease the value of your 8. HOWEVER!!!!! If you are selling to anyone that knows RX-8s, having a new engine is worth MORE, since they know that it won't be an issue they have to deal with for a long time (excluding the rare chance of a mis-build on the part of the reman factory, it happens). If I was buying a 2004 or a 2005, I would be willing to pay $2,000 to $3,000 more for one that had a new replacement engine vs one that didn't, everything else being equal.

And your 8 will drive and act better than before, because you won't be driving on a dying engine. Definitely not worse.


Again, relax. You are being taken care of, and have no room for complaint.


And I should probably mention that they haven't advertised the RX-8 in a couple years, so you can drop that line from your rants.

2tone

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woooooooooow, this thread was difficult to read.

op - you are a whiney little brat. first of all, like others mentioned, you should have done your research before buying a rotary. and don't give me that my-friend-had-an-rx7-so-i-know-rotaries ****. you bought the single worst rx8 possible, the '04 auto...yes, no car's engine should die that early, but you could have easily gotten an '06 auto (or, god forbid, a manual!!). secondly, you're getting a new engine, chill the f-ck out. what other car company EXTENDS their warranty to all PREVIOUS/CURRENT owners?!?! 8 years/100k...that's a friggin' steal dude. and seriously, you think a new engine will make your resale value go down?? what planet are you from?

like someone else said, sell it and get a honda, we don't need people like you running around spreading half-truths about the rotary.

2tone

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you need to get a clue. yes some engines have been replaced, but no matter what you think, YOU are in the minority. gd, people read a few threads and few posts and scream bloody murder that most rx8 engines blow. go away now.

RIWWP

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I am going to do some napkin math real quick:

We have, on average, about 1 engine failure a week reported here on the forums right now. I think the high mark was MAYBE 2 a week. This week it was 2, I don't remember any last week, etc... it evens out to about 1. Lets round up for your sake to 1.5 a week.

2004 was the first year, although I think it was technically available in late 2003. So lets call it September 2003 as the start of sales.

Engine failures didn't start till ~30,000 miles at WORST initially.

Average driving annually is 15,000 (and I think that is really high for the 8, as it isn't often a primary car)

So that is roughly September of 2005 when the failures really started showing up.

Since September 2005, there have been ~227 weeks.

Using a 1.5 a week that we know about, lets say that we have 1/3rd of the owners (and thus 1/3rd of the failures) We probably have a high % of failures to owners, as people come here to complain that wouldn't come here as researchers or enthusiasts.

So at 4.5 failures per week, that is 1,021 failures since sept 2005.

2003 (2004 model year) through 2006 (2007 model year), there were about 160,000 RX-8s manufactured. Lets call that ~100,000 in North America, which is our owner population base on the forums here.

So that is a failure rate of about 1%.

It is higher than this? Probably. But DOUBLING the failure rate is still only ~2%. Hell. Lets QUADRUPLE the failure rate to 4%. That's 18 engine failures a week in North America. Sounds like a hell of alot. And I KNOW we aren't getting that many. But lets even call that as valid for a moment.

You know what Kia's reliability rate was off the factory floor? 66%. As in 33% of vehicles off the factory floor have a critical flaw in the build of the vehicle.

Toyota and Lexus were around 11%.

Mazda was around 16%.

Guess what?

The engine doesn't have as many problems as you think it does. You aren't the only owner with an issue, but you are in the minority, not the majority. I am at 54,677 miles on the odometer, and it's sitting in the driveway out front with an incredibly healthy engine able to get 25mpg and posting some of the best 0 to 120mph times on the boards. (for stock N/A)

If you have that much of a burr up your *****, then once you get it back with the new engine, sell the 8 (for more than you would have a week ago), and buy a Toyota Corolla.

Just pray your gas pedal doesn't get stuck.

Rote8

If you drop in a 6.1 liter Hemi, can you call it an SRT8?

/Runs and hides...

SilverRenesis

first of all, read well, which if you did, you would notice that I said," My friend had and RX7, and cuz of that I knew about rotories and their problems with flooding and overheating", Now< does that mean I can build, sh*t.. let alone diagnose a probelm with one of them. NO... And yes, I did not know sooo much about RX8 a year and some months ago, but I did do my research before I paid, and Yes I took on a responsibility once I purchased the car, but for any cars engine, i dont care if its one of the first or last, to die at 57k miles, is unaceptable.. You know, Im not whinning, but if you, or someone esle see's it as whinning, the simply skip the thread and be gone, dont waist your precious time reading it. Is a free place to speack your mind, dont like it, Get da F*ck out.. yes I may not be so experienced with rotories, yes is nice that Mazda extended their warranties to 100k, So what ... And its not a few who get screwed with the engine problem, Ive read countless "New Engine " on this threads and others" and even at ther lovely zoom zoom dealer when I asked, they told me, yea, we get alot of rx8s for engine repairs, is normal ..... So yea, if you love your RX8s , Im not telling you not too, all im saying is IN MY opinion, Their engines were built not too last. And for the few that it has, well lucky for them...

RIWWP

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...and the reason that we keep coming in the thread to refute that and argue against it, is because people like you with your opinions do nothing but spread bad reputation which impacts our resale value

"alot" of engine replacements doesn't mean much. It really doesn't. I have read dozens of threads on here on engine replacement. Lets call it 50 threads. That's alot right?

Against 160,000 RX-8s built through 2006, no, it isn't alot. Even taking my absurdly high marks in the above thread of 18 engine failures a week (which would seem like a crazy high amount if you have to read through a thread on each), is still only ~4% failure rate for North America.


I say again. You are in the minority. Stop spreading opinions generated with blinders on. It hurts the rest of us.

SilverRenesis

Wow, how fun is it to read your response, I like it though.. You going off by how many people come here to report engine failure, and then adding a lets say " guess" adition... .. Hmmm.. smart I c.. Sell it, I will, Maybe get a Z and I wouldnt have to worry about """" ohh dont turn it off while is cold, Ohh, Dont add any mods cuz it will ovid your warranty,,, ohh, redline it a day, if not ur screwed. ohh,,, ahh I dont wanna keep on going, what for, now< if anybody asking me, well how was it when you owend the 8,, Ima clearly state ... CACA... google dat up.. since you seem like you have alot of time in your hands comming here every week to see how many people are complaining about engine failure... U worried about resale value, why, dont you love your 8.. arent u planning on keeping it, then you woudnt have a problem.

2tone

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ha ha, oh my god. what a troll.

think of what you're saying...think about how upset you were to start a thread about it. now think of all the happy people out there with their cars, rx8 or not. do you really think people have a great day, their car started when it was supposed to, stopped at all the lights, turned when you turned the wheel...and then they will come onto a forum and share "i had a wonderful day today, my car did everything it was supposed to, amazing, thank you." no, people only create threads when there is a problem, it's true of every car and every product out there. so i don't care how many threads you think you've read on rx8 engine failures, multiply that times 1000 and you still don't have a lot of engine failures relative to the number sold. you, simply, are stupid. have fun selling your '04 auto with 16" wheels......you're right, clearly you did you research before buying.

close this thread so i don't have to read this guy's painful posts anymore.

jasonrxeight

well dont blame yourself, you can have a new engine now, not many other car company would do that.
to my point of view its quite nice, because I dont need to baby the engine so that it would last longer, I can drive the **** out of it, enjoy every bit of the car, when the engine is done, put in another one and continue enjoying the car more.

RIWWP

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I was waiting for that

No, I don't have any plans on reselling the 8, but it happens. And resale value is the basis for insurance claims, which could happen at any time. No one likes to have something they possess become devalued, even if they never ever part from it. Resale value is simply how used cars are valued, even if they are never resold.

I passively watch threads as they are posted through a handle tool within the site here, so I see most of what scrolls past. Doesn't take up much of my time, and I can help those that are asking for it.

99% of the engine/power problems people post about are directly connected to the failure of coils, plugs, or the cat, and most of them are posting on the site for the first time, and weren't told by their dealer about the need for more frequent replacement of these. There are alot of useless posts about milky dipsticks, oil recommendations, water in the tail lights, and other incidentals, but the nature of people is to voice complaints when they have a problem, not to voice pleasure when everything is working right as it should be, so the issues get more attention, and can seem to be a majority when they are not.

jasonrxeight

thank you for telling me what Ive know for what 10 years?
omgzzz, rotary engines dont last, omgz, its the end of the world.

SilverRenesis

you so very welcome...

hinggu

My brother owned a sentra SEF that only had 50k on the clock before the crank bearings broke and sent bearings all over the place. Maybe you should away from Nissans too cuz they have a faulty product? you are FAIL

Jedi54

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SilverRenesis

You know, when my car worked fine, which it had for almost the whole time that I owned it, I came here and posted, about other peoples post, about mods, and help on how to install and even replace air filters, etc. Now..... that I dont have 1450 post cuz all I do is chek RX8club everyday... well yea, I dont, I have a life and when the time allows me, I come and check out this websites.. Now if you wanna call me noobe, inexperience, or whatever names you come up with, go ahead, if makes you feel better go ahead. like said..If you dont like reading this post ,,, skip em.. it aint hard to do... and yea my 04 automatic with 16 inch wheels may not be all that compared to whatever you may have, the fact still remains, I will share my opinion in here or where ever I c hoose too and your idiotic self cant do anything about it..

SilverRenesis

you seriously going to compare any nissan with an Rx8 ...making yourself belive is all you need. You're good at it..

RIWWP

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I am a few thousand miles away from the point at which my RX-8's engine will have outlasted my Corolla's engine.

I won't buy a Toyota again. Although not because of the engine failure. I won't buy a Toyota again because post-purchase support is non-existent. I applaud Mazda for backing the engine and voluntarily extending the warranty.

To sit here and rant and rave about it is retarded.