rotarygod

That's all fine and dandy but it doesn't change the fact that he died of natural causes and that he wasn't murdered.

rotarygod

I don't see anything running in that video. I see a water filter housing with bubbles being formed in it. Making bubbles is easy. However it takes more energy to create this than it gives back. You haven't proved anything.

FWIW: I don't see how this thread is unhelpful. It's quite the opposite. We are trying to HELP YOU so you don't waste your time and money.

I have some questions and if you can't (or don't) answer these completely and back up your answer with actual data you will admit ignorance and forfeit any and all credibility on behalf of this concept so their reputation (if there is any left) relies on YOUR answer. How are you go to reduce the amount of gasoline that the ecu injects into the engine? Please don't tell me the ecu will automatically compensate based on O2 sensor readings. That's not going to happen. So knowing that, what's your solution? How many plates are you planning to run? How many positive plates? How many negative plates? Any neutral plates? How many mm between plates is your spacing going to be? What is the total area of each plate? What material are you going to use? What grade of stainless? What voltage AND amperage are you going to run? Have you calculated how much gas each plate is capable of giving off? What pressure are you going to run it at? How are you going to control it? How do I know all of these questions?

Don't act like none of us know anything about it. I know all about it and guarantee I know more than you do on the topic? Why? I've tried it! The difference is I tried it for the fun of it and not because I believed in it. Do you have any idea how hot the thing will get? Do you know how hot your battery will get? Do you know how much extra stress is on your charging system? If you only tried to run it straight off of a battery and nothing else, the battery will get so hot that you'll swear it will melt down. If you make a small one and run a 9V battery on it as a test, you WILL melt the battery within about a half an hour. Ask me how I know! Why does it do this? Amperage! It's low voltage but extremely high amperage which is very taxing on the charging system.

Do you want a tip as to something that works much better than sending a current through water? Send a radio frequency through water. Get a square wave generator and run a square wave of around 21K hz through it and watch bubbles go absolutely crazy. It'll make your direct current look downright stupid! However don't bother trying to run your car on it. It's a neat looking project but from a functionality standpoint, it doesn't have it.

greg985

pown3ge

Socket7

It's really kind of sad that we can have one of the most knowledgeable people on this forum, routinely smack this idea down with specific evidence as to why it wont work, and these people never seem to learn

Ah well P.T. Barnum was right. There's a sucker born every minute.

These are the kind of people who'd be very excited to see the great egress at a theme park.

PBlue

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can we just close these threads? theres no point in arguing with him, and there is already enough proof for anyone with half a brain out there to figure out not to blow up their car.

the only argument i've heard that had even a semblence of rational thought behind it, was that adding a small amount of hydrogen would ensure a more complete burn of the gasoline, so less wasted fuel in the exhaust, and the gain in power would be greater than the energy used to produce the hydrogen. But the heavy losses associated with hydrolysis are too absurd to be overcome.

Want a real solution? How about a thermoelectic generator (about 1-9% efficient) to grab some heat from our engine or ridiculously hot exhaust to save some otherwise wasted energy.
How about piezoelectric generators in the suspension? I hope I wasn't the first to just think of this...

Come on now. Just enjoy the car while gas is still cheap (relatively).
And in case any of you arent lounge trolls... help me out in this thread : https://www.rx8club.com/lounge-4/help-identify-necklace-158006/

Silver06

+1 for close these Two identical threads.

And, no more threads about this stuff - there are other forums more suited to debating this.

John290

Read my original question and feel free to answer on that. And yes you can make a long post regarding how you KNOW this wont work. At the same time someone can make a long post saying they KNOW it would work their way. I am simply trying differnt ideas. I would rather fail an learn somthing new, then never try.

Silver06

Then fail somewhere else, please.

There are Brown's gas fanboi forums. Search google.

K,thanx.

Bye.

alnielsen

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Anyone, with a High School knowledge of Physics, understands how this won't work. You are trying to use the energy from the car to create a fuel source for the car. The end effect is a loss of energy. A loss of horsepower and gas mileage. As proof this doesn't work, the car manufacturers don't use it. Government regulations are hitting them hard on gas mileage requirements, yet they aren't using this "free" source of energy to up the mileage.
Quit posting about this, dyno your car, spend your money on a kit, install it on your car and post results.

dozer

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in before lock

dillsrotary

Actually I bet someone couldn't make a long post about how it works.

GTConversion

A bit for John, about how science actually works;

Your philosophical and scientific understanding makes this very difficult to discuss on an intellectual level. I feel like we might get further by instead grunting at you. Not only do we not have to prove or explain why 'water powered cars' don't work, you have to provide verifiable, empirical and scientific evidence that it DOES work. Just like unicorns, the spaghetti monster and boogie monsters, the onus is on the claimant (that's you!) to provide the evidence for a given phenomenon's existence.

If this community suddenly undertook the bold role of disproving every theory posited for improving gas mileage, no progress would ever be made. Theories far outnumber reasonable, verifiable explanations for those theories. In order to demonstrate to an acceptable level that water-powered cars work, you'd have to do something called RESEARCH.

Research involves observing, documenting and REPEATING experiences in which water has brought about measurable changes on fuel efficiency or even powered a car. It includes providing evidence that it can be repeated in a controlled environment. I don't envy your research, however, as it involves defying laws of physics which have been demonstrated hundreds of thousands of times to hold up under verifiable, repeatable, laboratory conditions. A youtube video does not qualify, sorry.

Until you provide that, you're just another adamant follower of today's alchemy, today's 'chants', today's 'healing powers', today's 'homeopathic medicine,' asking someone ELSE to spend valuable time debunking your wild claims, rather than taking the time yourself to observe, repeat, and document cases which support your claim.

rotarygod

You didn't answer ANY of my questions. Didn't even try. I thought so.

You WILL fail! I told you. I've played with it. I'm not guessing. You are guessing it can work. I am factually telling you it doesn't. Go ahead and try it though. Film the thing making some bubbles and post it online with a "success story" based on your newly created bubbles. I even went so far as to tell you a BETTER way than you are attempting! It won't tax your battery, won't heat up and it STILL isn't a useful thing. Proclaim it's superiority to others though. I want to see others try it and claim perpetual motion.

max5roadster

This thread is perpetual motion!

lepichichi

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i had a friend who just to put a little bit of water, everytime he will fill up his car (honda accord) and it worked....

greg985

b/c that is what this thread is about...

Silver06

[SARCASM] Now, wouldn't that be a better test! Simply replace 50% of the gasoline in your car with water! The temperature in the rotor will vaporize the water, and the Hydrogen in the vapor will replace the missing gasoline! Now, that's what I call Free!!!! [/SARCASM] (until you have to get the tank pumped out and the fuel system replaced)....

I just wish that fuel prices would drop enough to have the folks selling these devices crawl back under their rocks.

As P.T. Barnum is oft-quoted: "There's a sucker born every minute"



Even though these Brown's Gas generators are bullshit, I am not a Luddite when it comes to new technologies. For example, I've been looking into a yacht concept that can produce hydrogen (from seawater), compress and store a quantity of it (about 4 days worth), and use the H to power a fuell-cell to an electric motor for propulsion. Note that this is prototype and very (about $1million for the driveline alone) expensive. Also, note that they do need external power; generator or plug-in every three or four days to replenish the hydrogen.


Also, did you know that right now, you can even buy a small self-contained methanol fuel cell from any West Marine Store? Look here:

This fuel cell produces a continuous 5.8 amps (140 amp/hrs per day) at 12 volts. This costs around US$8,500.00 Right now, it's an uber-expensive trickle charger, but who knows, in the future....