Well I did attempt to search I was unable to find any topics revelant.

I watch SPEED channel like it's my life recently. Anyway enough of of my life story.

I am gonna either seafoam or Zoom-Zoom Clean my engine when it gets a bit warmer to clean out the engine a bit, to attempt to gain any lost power.

But has anyone tried Z-Max or similiar products?

I am curious if there are any benefits for the rotary... From what I have read and understand from Z-max's website, it gets into the metal and prevents deposits (carbon??)

Here are their products

Under the section for AUTOMOTIVE on www.zmax.com

zMAX Power System

Product # 51002

12oz Fuel Formula, 12oz Engine Formula, 4oz Trans Formula, FREE 12oz Small Engine Formula



The unique ability of zMAX to soak into metal and reduce engine deposits results in:

* Increased Gas Mileage (helps maintain gas mileage in newer cars, and helps improve or restore gas mileage in older cars, by virtue of reducing engine deposits)
* Improved Performance
* Extended Engine Life
* Reduced Emissions (helps maintain emissions in newer cars, and reduce emissions in older cars, by virtue of reducing engine deposits )
* Increased Horsepower

This product may be used as a fuel additive both for gasoline and diesel fuels. When used as a diesel fuel additive, the following statement applies: This diesel fuel additive complies with the federal low sulfur content requirements for use in diesel motor vehicles and nonroad engines.

FREE zMAX Small Engine Formula, that gives improved performance and extended life to your: Lawn Mowers, Generators, Chain Saws, Power Edgers, Power Trimmers, Leaf Blowers, Snowmobiles, Jet Skis, ATVs, Garden Tillers, Marine Engines. (Especially made for engines that are not used on a regular basis.) *see documentation in our Technical section.

Easy to Use
Simply pour zMAX into your fuel system (12oz.), your engine (12oz.), and transmission (4oz.) or have zMAX installed by your mechanic at your next oil change. The bottles are clearly marked.

zMAX does not replace your regular oil, and using zMAX will not overfill your normal oil level because it soaks into metal.

How often should you use zMAX?
The zMAX Power System treatment is recommended every 6 months or 6,000 miles, whichever comes first. By properly replenishing zMAX, your engine will receive nonstop protection.

For orders outside the United States and its territories, call 1-800-382-1858

zMAX will not void the manufacturer's warranty that comes with your vehicle.

The only product of its kind, zMAX is a

Good for automatic and manual transmissions. Compatible with all motor oils, including synthetic.


Benefits


The only product of its kind, zMAX is a “micro-lubricant.” zMAX micro-molecules have been reformulated to be smaller than regular oil molecules.This allows zMAX micro-molecules to soak into metal - a product attribute none of our competitors can duplicate and because zMAX can soak into metal, it is able to disperse carbon and other harmful deposits. These deposits are a leading cause of engine damage and inefficient operation. The unique ability of zMAX to soak into metal and reduce harmful engine deposits results in:

* Increased Gas Mileage
* Improved Performance
* Reduced Wear on Vital Engine Parts
* Extended Engine Life
* Reduced Emissions

For the Engine:

* Cleans and conditions cylinder walls, pistons, piston rings, bearings and valves
* Provides continuous lubrication of your engine’s internal parts
* Protection for both new and used engines – helps with engine break in

The result is reduced wear on vital parts, longer engine life and restored power

For Fuel System:

* Cleans your fuel system and conditions the combustion chambers of your engine
* Removes carbon and other deposits from the intake/exhaust valves, valve guides, cylinder walls and piston rings

The result is increased gas mileage, improved performance, increased horsepower and lower emissions

For Transmission:

* Cleans and lubricates the parts of your transmission
* Increased lubrication helps prevent premature wear of internal transmission components

The result is smoother shifting, reduced wear and extended life for your transmission

Over the past 50 years, hundreds of tests have been conducted on zMAX. Many have been consumer tests using the product in everyday, real-life situations. But the important tests are the industry test protocols conducted in our own laboratory and by independent labs around the country. The results of these tests show that zMAX soaks into metal; reduces friction; increases horsepower; dissipates engine heat; helps improve or restore gas mileage and reduce emissions in older cars, by virtue of reducing engine deposits; helps maintain gas mileage and emissions in newer cars, by virtue of reducing engine deposits; helps reduce engine wear on vital engine parts, by virtue of reducing engine deposits; and helps to extend engine life, by virtue of reducing engine deposits.

How zMax Works

The fluids in your vehicle act as a carrier for zMAX. When zMAX reaches the fuel and engine systems, it soaks into the metal. Once the metal is treated with zMAX, it is cleaned and continuously protected from carbon and harmful deposits.

zMAX Soaks Into Metal

zMAX begins as pure micro-lubricant. Our proprietary process reformulates the micro-lubricant, altering the molecular structure, creating molecules that are far smaller than those of conventional motor oils. This reformulation process is the key to creating the zMAX micro-molecules that are so small zMAX actually soaks deep into metal. By soaking into metal, zMAX disperses carbon and other harmful deposits inside the engine, protecting your engine from the inside out.





What do you guys (and gals) think? Worth a try?

 

No.

 

I'm pretty simple when it comes to fluids in the car. Engine, transmission, differential all get the appropriate lubricants (synthetic of course). I don't add anything to them. If you need to add something to make them work better, you should just use a better product from the beginning.

On the fuel side I may run some Techron or BG44 through with a tank every once in a while to clean things out but that's it and it's not that often. I don't do the Sea Foam cleaning trick but I do use the steam cleaning method by sucking water directly into the intake manifold. I'm actually going to start doing this at every oil change.

That's all I do and it all works great.

 

Alright thanks for your inputs..

Just figured I'd ask since I hear all this buzz about this product.

 

using seafoam now in my gas and my oil. just added it today but afraid to do the flooding trick and let it die on me, sounds scary owning a rotary.

 

Rotary is not scary. The owners are.

Most people are too stupid to do "proper" maintenance. and Rotary is not as "forgiving" as its piston cousin.

 

yeah i that came out wrong flooding the engine with seafoam sounds scary

 

Reading the MSDS's for Z-max/AvBlend/Speedway Cocktail (names it has been marketed under since 1947) it appears that it just a refined mineral oil with surface dispersant(s) and some sort of mineral oil based detergent.

The FTC sued the company for false advertising claims back in 2001 (http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2001/02/zmax1.shtm), in which to avoid being shut down Speedway Motorsports INC and Oil-Chem Research Company (the two sub companies that owns/makes Z-max), revised their actual claims and dropped references to amounts of improvements that could be made; as well as the FTC called for substantial actual published laboratory testing before listing any improvement or change in marketing. As well as they had to pay past customers 1 million US dollars.

Interesting that in many of the current referenced tests that their claims of mileage and wear improvements are on motors of less than 26 HP, with loads less than 50%, suggest that there are no real improvements for modern high tolerance engines.

The FAA also looked into them, but came to the conclusion that it didn't hurt or endanger anyone so they approved it for use in small aircraft engines (again in low load and low HP configurations).

Also the claim of actually soaking into metal is mis-leading. It can penetrate small surface imperfections, that conventional oil may or may not, but it can not actually penetrate into a metal. Just into the surface imperfections.

So based on that information found, it would suggest that there probably are not any real improvements, and that Zmax (or any other name that it is sold under) really probably wouldn't hurt anything other than your wallet, but the chances of it actually showing any sort of benefit in a modern high tolerance High stress engine (such as any high reving motor) is probably non existent or minimal at best.

A handy chart for these type products:

 

but Caroll Shelby stands behind it :P

ive seen the commercial alot on speed as well

 

No Carrol Shelby stands behind the paycheck he gets from Speedway Motorsports INC.

 

Mr Shelby, King of the Phony Hood Scoops....

S

 

Plus, Shelby is a litigious jerk. He sues Factory Five regularly because their cars are look like his and they're better than his originals...they even go so far as to make disclaimers all over their website that they have nothing to do with him, and he still sues. Few things **** me off more than Caroll Shelby.

 

Nice post icemark....

yeah: "using zMAX will not overfill your normal oil level because it soaks into metal." sounds very very untrue....

 

You are replying to a 5 yr old thread.

Yes Carrol Shelby is a *****. At Mustang meets, that he attends, he will sign the dashboard of your car for a fee.

 

They're replying to only a 5 month old thread.

But seeing as it's about Carrol Shelby, being off by a factor of 12 is within the range. The man accomplished a lot in his life (bomber pilot, F1 driver, Cobras, Shelby Mustangs, Pit Stop deodorant, etc.) and he did not get there by being a slave to conventional wisdom of what is or is not true.

Ken

 

Yes Shelby accomplished a lot and was a genius in many ways. However, he also chased the coin quite a bit and put his name on quite a few POS items, including some cars. The man was willing to sell out for the right price and sometimes I wonder how low that price is. Not that there's anything wrong with that in particular; I'm sure many of us would love to have his earning potential, but sometimes he seems to take it way too far.

 

Fuel additive Bg44k thats all you should need.

 

If the Z-Max molecules are so small that they can "soak into METAL", what keeps Z-Max inside the plastic container at the store?

 

I have used similar additives in most of my cars and motorcycles. Put it in when new. Run it a a couple of miles change the oil.

Read the lable. non- oil based. that means it is a solvent. Why solvent baased? Because it moves the additives to the meatal so it can penetrate.

Not suppose to keep it in the engine.

 

good thing you guys are talking about this. i was just gonna buy it. wooohh... same me some cash!

 

Just remember dont buy any additives for whatever.

I used to believe those water wetter kind of stuff. well, you need it if you run pure H2O cuz u need some stuff to lube the water pump seals, but if u want me to add them to my coolant. sorry, nope. not gonna do it. Now running with 45/55 mix. no problem.

 

oh yeah, what about the coolent? dose it make a difference what you use or is it the same **** as other cars?

 

I think glycol works better than excrement.

Stick to a name brand, one that says it's non-corrosive to alloys, and not one that has leak sealant in it.

And make sure you match the color to what you already have.

Ken