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Same t hing happened to me 2 years ago...Mazda (in Canada) sucks (inept technicians/service dep)... didn't cover it. A friend welded it back together and now its good as new.
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Originally Posted by RWatters
(Post 3698499)
They've reported on it before, but now it's more or less a recall according to the NHTSA. Big difference. I say more or less because they're just extending the warranty on it so it's not a true recall...
I'm looking forward to the TSB, especially to see if it specifies a bolt tightening sequence and torque for replacement brackets. Ken |
Originally Posted by RWatters
(Post 3698858)
The shop I have my RX-8 worked on at actually commented on how he's replaced two broken clutch pedals on RX-8's before mine. He NEVER works on RX-8's. lol
I really wanna know what kind of Torque sequence this thing has, shit I mean its like 15 or 20 lbs ft lbs of tq on 2 of the bolts. OMG its effecting SO DAMN MUCH. |
Originally Posted by nycgps
(Post 3701366)
this is why I called Mazda's "1-3%" nothing but BS.
I really wanna know what kind of Torque sequence this thing has, shit I mean its like 15 or 20 lbs ft lbs of tq on 2 of the bolts. OMG its effecting SO DAMN MUCH. Probably yet another case of rushing to an answer without proper research on the subject. |
Yeah, I think they know what's going on.
But they're trying to sidestep the issue. Again... |
Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
(Post 3701737)
And almost every one of their TSB's is a half-ass Band-Aid solution to a larger looming problem.
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i had this happen to my 8 about a less than a year ago and had it fixed at the dealership. Can i get a refund back since magically its covered now by the warranty?
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Originally Posted by jamiann31
(Post 3703628)
i had this happen to my 8 about a less than a year ago and had it fixed at the dealership. Can i get a refund back since magically its covered now by the warranty?
(They're slow on this ... we all know why. Hell it took Mazda about a month something 2 to issue the CX-7's AC warranty extension) |
It's funny to me
We all know that they monitor the forums... So for sure they knew about this long before the government involvement Who thinks they have a new design worked out? I think they'll replace them for the warranty period and call it a day |
Yes. They'll use the same part, but this time make sure that the tightening sequence is correct.
Once the TSB comes out I plan on loosening the bolts on mine, then re-tightening according to the procedure. That will avoid any problems. Ken |
^^^ that's wishful thinking as I highly doubt the tightening sequence has anything to do with the actual problem.
I'm looking forward to the TSB so I can send Mazda an invoice for my replacement clutch + labor. |
Originally Posted by nycgps
(Post 2182772)
For a while I thought my pedal already *broke* ...
but tonight, yes I finally know how does it feel, I stop, park, try to put it into 1st so I can lock the car, step on the pedal and *snap*, it broke. lol So yes, it broke in the *right* time. (when im not driving it) I just made an appointment tomorrow morning thru dealership's online system. should I drive the car back to home first cuz im not home(at GF's house now) hmm should I call Mazda now and tow it to the dealership ? UPDATE : FOR THOSE WHO GOT A BROKEN CLUTCH PEDAL ! Please report your case to NHTSA at http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/index.cfm Because under normal driving condition, a clutch bracket should NOT break. and imagine if you're in the middle of highway speed, the bracket gave up and locked you in gear and you need to brake fast ... Also, if you're involve in an accident because of this bracket issue. please give NHTSA a call and tell them the whole story. Thanks ATTENTION : Today, 5/10/2009(yeah, its a sunday, and Mother's day too) The Department of Transportation from the government has contacted me about Pictures of the broken bracket. Im trying to find it and send it him. So I suggest whoever have a picture of the broken bracket should contact me first via pm Update: Oct 06, 2009 NHTSA has "officially" opened the case with the Clutch Bracket issue for all 40,000 RX-8 (thats all MT we got in the state? ) We need more reports to make Mazda fix this unacceptable issue ! So please if you had/having this issue. Take a picture of your bracket and keep it in a safe place, if your bracket broke and it was replaced under Bumper to Bumper Warranty. Keep a copy of the invoice, scan it into your computer. I can forward your issue to the government agent who is handling this case. Oh yes, file a formal complain at the web site above !!!!!!!!!! Thanks ! Update, August 31th, 2010. NHTSA has closed the case, and Mazda will provide 8 years/100K warranty on the said Clutch bracket part. As of this writing, it seems that 99.99% of the Mazda employees are still unaware of this and might bs you about "no its not covered, what are you talking about." If you're reading this, give MNAO a call, send them the government's link about ths issue, which could be found HERE it covers every single Manual Transmission equipped Rx-8 from 2004-2009 (where is 2010?). I had this happen to me a few days ago...I printed the ODI documents and presented it to the dealership. They still won't cover it....They supposedly called Mazda and they're playing dumb and refusing to cover the repairs under warranty. I'm not giving up on this though.....I'll get ahold of MNAO to go further up the food chain. |
Originally Posted by ken-x8
(Post 3703839)
Yes. They'll use the same part, but this time make sure that the tightening sequence is correct.
Once the TSB comes out I plan on loosening the bolts on mine, then re-tightening according to the procedure. That will avoid any problems. Ken Not to mention, the firewall is so thin that you can move it by hand, so what kind of tightening sequence will help ? Auto company (not just Mazda) will spill as much BS as possible just to cover their ass (lower their manufacturing cost) |
Originally Posted by RedFC3S86
(Post 3703943)
I had this happen to me a few days ago...I printed the ODI documents and presented it to the dealership. They still won't cover it....They supposedly called Mazda and they're playing dumb and refusing to cover the repairs under warranty. I'm not giving up on this though.....I'll get ahold of MNAO to go further up the food chain.
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Originally Posted by nycgps
(Post 3703978)
Only you would believe that tightening sequence bs on a part that has only 2 bolts with what 15-20 lbs of and its not even directly across from each other.
Not to mention, the firewall is so thin that you can move it by hand, so what kind of tightening sequence will help ? Auto company (not just Mazda) will spill as much BS as possible just to cover their ass (lower their manufacturing cost) Knee jerk reaction - throw something out there for public consumption. Blame it on the assembly line workers. We know that they read these boards. In 2007 there was a nice picture of a broken bracket so they knew about this issue and they know it's not from assembly issues. https://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php...29&postcount=1 And here's an account of two early failures. https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...h+pedal+broken Over three years and counting. |
Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
(Post 3704163)
Mazda probably figures the job operator is torquing the nut on the dashboard before torquing the two nuts on the firewall. In any event they have a way of KNOWING, not merely guessing, the sequence and level of torque for every single clutch pedal ever installed as all that info is kept electronically. The job operators use what we call "D.C. nutrunner" torque guns which are electric and provide this information to the mainframe computers in the manufacturing facility. Thus, every torqued piece of hardware is recorded and stored for situations like this and matters of liability, should that info ever be needed. This info is stored for EVERY car manufactured.
We keep full data on every part we manufacture... The question is whether they track every replacement part by the vin of every car ever serviced. Even if they do, the database gets polluted by bad data from replacements like my clutch pedal which wasn't broken - just a dumb tech taking a guess. You can't determine which torque or sequence was wrong unless you can correlate the assembly readings to pedals which broke prematurely in the field. Even then, correlation alone does not imply causation! (insert painful lesson) |
Mazda please just give us a Bracket that has "slightly" better construction. hmm lets see ... how does "better material" sound to you ? ... no ? ...
They're playing the band-aid game once again ... Just give you guys a warranty and "hope" that things don't break b4 then ... *sigh* |
Originally Posted by nycgps
(Post 3703979)
There are way too many idiots working for MNAO
MNAO Needs someone with an Industry Success track record, not this has been that never was. He might be a "nice guy" but NICE GUYS don't get things done...they are YES MEN! |
I hear ya Charles. You probably have one of if not the smallest supply chain part volumes and just in time build infrastructures, so one can imagine the inertia of large OEM parts contracts on timeliness of component upgrades.
Case in point, the clutch bracket should have been accomodated in the Series 2 upgrades, but even then .....
Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
(Post 3704393)
The problem with expecting changes/improvements in any given part stems from the processes inherent in the manufacturing and assembly industries and the contractual obligations companies must assume in order to get things done with any level of efficacy.
This essentially means that Mazda had to commit to volumes of parts such as clutch pedal assemblies, ignition coils, fuel pumps, etc., that make it nearly impossible to upgrade, improve, or replace said parts with superior parts. BHR is but a mere spec in the cosmos of the aftermarket industry and we are limited by this exact same concept. |
Originally Posted by nycgps
(Post 3703978)
Only Ken would believe that tightening sequence bs on a part that has only 2 bolts(and a PLASTIC HOLDER on top) with what 15-20 lbs of and its not even directly across from each other...
I am shocked!! Ken |
So I had this issue. It also bent the rod leading into the master cylinder requiring it's replacement. Mazda is not paying, 60k miles. Same BS recall worthy item that happened on my wifes truck. YOU PRODUCED it flawed. PAY UP!
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Response from Mazda
Last week I sent an email to Mazda asking about the extended clutch warranty. I also included a link where it was mentioned on the NHTSA site. I just received an email response from them. Here it is;
RE: Warranty [INTR:414592] Wednesday, September 8, 2010 3:49 PM From: "MazdaCustomerAssistance@mazdausa.com" MazdaCustomerAssistance@mazdausa.com To: davidgeorgepiano@yahoo.com Hello David, Thank you for contacting Mazda. At this time there is not a Special Service Program that extends the warranty on the clutch pedal. If there becomes one you will be notified by mail and at that time you can fill out the appropiate reimbursement form and send it in for reimbursement as instructed. SIncerely, Miriam Stevens Representative, Customer Assistance |
Originally Posted by pianoman-1
(Post 3704697)
Last week I sent an email to Mazda asking about the extended clutch warranty. I also included a link where it was mentioned on the NHTSA site. I just received an email response from them. Here it is;
RE: Warranty [INTR:414592] Wednesday, September 8, 2010 3:49 PM From: "MazdaCustomerAssistance@mazdausa.com" MazdaCustomerAssistance@mazdausa.com To: davidgeorgepiano@yahoo.com Hello David, Thank you for contacting Mazda. At this time there is not a Special Service Program that extends the warranty on the clutch pedal. If there becomes one you will be notified by mail and at that time you can fill out the appropiate reimbursement form and send it in for reimbursement as instructed. Sincerely, Miriam Stevens Representative, Customer Assistance |
Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
(Post 3704393)
The problem with expecting changes/improvements in any given part stems from the processes inherent in the manufacturing and assembly industries and the contractual obligations companies must assume in order to get things done with any level of efficacy.
This essentially means that Mazda had to commit to volumes of parts such as clutch pedal assemblies, ignition coils, fuel pumps, etc., that make it nearly impossible to upgrade, improve, or replace said parts with superior parts. BHR is but a mere spec in the cosmos of the aftermarket industry and we are limited by this exact same concept.
Originally Posted by ASH8
(Post 3704430)
Geez, ain't that the truth..that place needs a Thing that starts with B and ends with B up under it, GET RID OF THE 'FORD' CEO...HE is Fucking USELESS...
MNAO Needs someone with an Industry Success track record, not this has been that never was. He might be a "nice guy" but NICE GUYS don't get things done...they are YES MEN! This is why I like Nissan's CEO. He is good. He saved Nissan outa bankruptcy, turn it into profit AND have the extra funds to put out a toy like the GT-R. Mazda ... well, they "just" got rid of Ford's controls not too long ago (from 33.3% down to something like 11 or 12 something %) So lets just wait and see what can they do about it.
Originally Posted by ken-x8
(Post 3704618)
Gasp! You don't believe a statement by Mazda (Mazda itself, not just a spokesperson) communicated in an official US Government document?
I am shocked!! Ken The earth is flat.
Originally Posted by Smileynh
(Post 3704631)
So I had this issue. It also bent the rod leading into the master cylinder requiring it's replacement. Mazda is not paying, 60k miles. Same BS recall worthy item that happened on my wifes truck. YOU PRODUCED it flawed. PAY UP!
*shurgs*
Originally Posted by RedFC3S86
(Post 3705106)
What is it going to take for Mazda to work this into the extended warranty with the drivetrain? Or a fatal accident/serious injury to a driver. passenger or pedestrian??? At this rate, Mazda will become the new Toyota.....They need to be proactive with this before this faulty pedal gets them negative press in the national news. How many people does it take to file a class action lawsuit (if it comes down to that)????
Lets just hope that things won't be as bad as Toyota's highway chase ... |
An extended warranty on the bracket is of little comfort if the clutch pedal snaps while driving in traffic. It'll also not be of much help for the person whose clutc/tranny gets hosed because of the bracket slowly going out of compliance but gets accused by Mazda of "abuse".
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Originally Posted by Nubo
(Post 3706280)
An extended warranty on the bracket is of little comfort if the clutch pedal snaps while driving in traffic. It'll also not be of much help for the person whose clutc/tranny gets hosed because of the bracket slowly going out of compliance but gets accused by Mazda of "abuse".
Be proactive and get the reinforcement. Mazda won't pay for it but @ $135 it's good insurance, can be done with average tools and dramatically improves the feel of the clutch pedal. http://raceroots.com/index.php/produ...t-bracket.html |
You guys are making me wonder
When my pedal snapped and I took it in, they said I also needed a clutch master cylinder because it had a small leak. Could that have been a result of the snap?
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Originally Posted by pianoman-1
(Post 3706740)
When my pedal snapped and I took it in, they said I also needed a clutch master cylinder because it had a small leak. Could that have been a result of the snap?
Cuz when the thing breaks, it breaks at an angle and the rod will mess the Clutch Master's internal (the pistons and seals) |
And my petal has started to squeak...
Just started today. =/ I have a long list of things to replace, im not happy! Anyone besides raceroots selling the petal / re-enforcement ? |
Originally Posted by RX8Lovah
(Post 3709492)
And my petal has started to squeak...
Just started today. =/ I have a long list of things to replace, im not happy! Anyone besides raceroots selling the petal / re-enforcement ? No other vendors |
Originally Posted by nycgps
(Post 2182772)
UPDATE : FOR THOSE WHO GOT A BROKEN CLUTCH PEDAL ! Update, August 31th, 2010. NHTSA has closed the case, and Mazda will provide 8 years/100K warranty on the said Clutch bracket part. As of this writing, it seems that 99.99% of the Mazda employees are still unaware of this and might bs you about "no its not covered, what are you talking about." If you're reading this, give MNAO a call, send them the government's link about ths issue, which could be found HERE it covers every single Manual Transmission equipped Rx-8 from 2004-2009 (where is 2010?). https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-trouble-shooting-95/bad-clutch-transmission-205012/ |
Originally Posted by Aceninja
(Post 3724680)
It seems that I'm the latest victim to this clutch pedal madness. Is there anyway that I can get my money reimbursed? I was charged $465 by the damn dealer for parts and labor. If I can get that back it would be sweet. [/url]
Ken |
I can't remember whether I said this before (senior moment!)....
How many of you guys now have had clutch brackets crack/break have also replace or renewed or "upgraded" ANY part of your Clutch Assembly...that being Pressure Plate/Clutch plate prior to the break.? A "Heavier Duty" clutch, particular Pressure Plate will push back any extra human leg force back through to the clutch bracket. Or Similarly a worn OEM Clutch Plate/P-Plate could be creating the same issue. In other words the OEM Clutch bracket is not designed to take any more strain through the clutch system others than a properly functioning OEM Clutch Plate/Pressure Plate.?? I know many of my US cousins Love to Change out parts (waste your money, ;) sorry) to "better" non Original....and sometimes, just sometimes this can be a reason, 'a'. Right Hand drive markets (Japan, UK, Australia, New Zealand (Brettus excluded), Hong Kong) are not seeing this issue AT ALL...and Yes the bracket is different part number for RHD, but the principals are identical. |
Originally Posted by ASH8
(Post 3724754)
Right Hand drive markets (Japan, UK, Australia, New Zealand (Brettus excluded), Hong Kong) are not seeing this issue AT ALL...and Yes the bracket is different part number for RHD, but the principals are identical.
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Yes, I recall (I think it was Jackson) who bleed his Clutch Slave Cylinder ( a few years back) and all this "Silver" muck came out in the fluid...I recall he was scratching his head, Obviously now we see his Clutch Mastercylinder alloy piston-seal was out of alignment and being damaged because of an mis-aligned Clutch Bracket Push-Rod.
IMO it is another "go to the Source first case and work backwards" which can be applied in so many areas...is the broken bracket telling you something about your clutch? |
Originally Posted by Aceninja
(Post 3724680)
It seems that I'm the latest victim to this clutch pedal madness. Is there anyway that I can get my money reimbursed? I was charged $465 by the damn dealer for parts and labor. If I can get that back it would be sweet. I have posted some pics here. Check them out"
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=205012 |
Originally Posted by ASH8
(Post 3724796)
Yes, I recall (I think it was Jackson) who bleed his Clutch Slave Cylinder ( a few years back) and all this "Silver" muck came out in the fluid...I recall he was scratching his head, Obviously now we see his Clutch Mastercylinder alloy piston-seal was out of alignment and being damaged because of an mis-aligned Clutch Bracket Push-Rod.
IMO it is another "go to the Source first case and work backwards" which can be applied in so many areas...is the broken bracket telling you something about your clutch? the clutch master failed at a later point, but when they replace my engine they noticed the sliver/gray fluid already, Even Kevin @ Wayne Mazda never seen anything like that before so he has no idea where it was coming from. then shortly after ... someday, I sit in, press the clutch in, it didn't "bounce" back up. I was like WTF NOT AGAIN? lift it up by hand, it works again, but it was getting worst so I parked it back home. after a long ass diagnostic -------- took the clutch slave out, replaced it with the original one, Bleed the system ... it is a royal PITA for some big dude like me to bleed the Clutch Slave ... check, still getting Sliver/gray fluid, Looked at the Brake Fluid reservoir its still clear, scratching my head cuz its full of "WTF" inside it. then I was like hmm, could it be Clutch Master? take it out, its already dripping those "crap". Replaced. Bleed again, everything back to normal.
Originally Posted by RedFC3S86
(Post 3725220)
I paid $330 for the repair @ my Mazda Dealer and i had them overnight the pedal assembly. Did they fix other parts for you besides the pedal assembly?
and No, only the clutch pedal was covered. |
Originally Posted by RedFC3S86
(Post 3725220)
I paid $330 for the repair @ my Mazda Dealer and i had them overnight the pedal assembly. Did they fix other parts for you besides the pedal assembly?
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Mazdaspeed 6 ..CLUTCH PEDAL IS DIFFICULT TO OPERATE
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Just for interest sake, there is/was an issue with 2007 MS6 Clutch Pedal being "difficult to operate"..
It appears there was a fix of a modified clutch pedal bracket, plus also the replacement of Clutch Plate and Pressure Plate. I know the MS6 Engine is FWD., with RWD or AWD. Just for your interest..SEE TSB... https://www.rx8club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1285458325 |
What's the lowest mileage failure?
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Originally Posted by ASH8
(Post 3725721)
Just for interest sake, there is/was an issue with 2007 MS6 Clutch Pedal being "difficult to operate"..
It appears there was a fix of a modified clutch pedal bracket, plus also the replacement of Clutch Plate and Pressure Plate. I know the MS6 Engine is FWD., with RWD or AWD. Just for your interest..SEE TSB... https://www.rx8club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1285458325 Mazda updated the clutch slave once. thats aboout it |
Originally Posted by BReal-10EC
(Post 3726375)
What's the lowest mileage failure?
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Just purchased my reenforcement bracket from RaceRoots today, going to put it on as soon as I get home.
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Originally Posted by Aceninja
(Post 3726450)
43,000. (2004 RX8, Stock Clutch, no mods).
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Mine had about 39k when it failed.....
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49k and failed did you guys get a free replacement?
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Originally Posted by spense8
(Post 3734796)
49k and failed did you guys get a free replacement?
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Originally Posted by spense8
(Post 3734796)
49k and failed did you guys get a free replacement?
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Originally Posted by nycgps
(Post 2183074)
Why dont you change it then ? dont wait man, I cant even move it into damn gears. imagine if that happens on a highway ...
Hmm, I thinking, can I consider this as a safety issue? I mean Im lucky the thing broke when Im not even driving(park!) but what if it snap off when Im doing highway 55 mph ? its not going to be funny. |
Originally Posted by RWatters
(Post 3735292)
Nope. I bought the reinforced unit from Race Roots. I don't expect to get my money back going this route, I just wanted something that wouldn't fail again down the road.
its a cheaply made bracket, enough said. with the warranty you are getting the same Bracket. so expect it to break again @ whatever your existing one is around the same miles. |
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