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Aipex8 10-27-2010 10:38 PM

Got my letter and with it a reimbursement form to send in if you've already replaced the clutch pedal (which I did 2 months ago). Filled out the form and sent it in with the receipt for the pedal. We'll see if I get my $100 back.

ASH8 10-27-2010 10:58 PM


Originally Posted by nycgps (Post 3763855)
9u is only for USA or North american Market then? hmm

dont know about that.

I thought the original was without the A/B ?

Sorry Jackson...My Bad..

I have a lot on my mind at the moment..

Yes, there was what we call a Plain Number

N3H1-18-100 Start of Production Used up to March 2006
N3H1-18-100A from March 2006 to December 2007
N3H1-18-100B from December 2007 to present.

As I said the 9U is a local Distributor Number (USA or NA) that signifies a local sourced Part., but Factory Approved.

In this case of the Coils, MNAO must of done a "Bulk Order" from MMC Japan at a special price, as they were around $20+ Cheaper (memory) for the 100B 9U's when compared to the 100B's.

But, when I got my N3H1-18-100B 9U's from Montgomery's last year or so they were in Genuine Mazda Parts Boxes for each Coil, with the local Part Number Sticker placed over the top of the Original Printed Part Number on Genuine Mazda Box.

So when I peeled it off it read N3H1-18-100B

These are the Original and Genuine Mazda Japan OEM Coils with a local Part Number.

Naturally this is MNAO Parts way of distinguishing their Bulk Buy Stock.

As I have said before Mazda Australia Parts use 99 at end of Part Number, again this tells us that it is "usually" locally sourced parts.

Apologies mate..;)

ASH8 10-27-2010 11:08 PM

BTW, You should not find any 9U Part Numbers in ANY Genuine Mazda EPC, just like you won't see it in the UK and Australian genuine Mazda EPC.

IF there is a "locally sourced" part number change to find out one orders or enters the OEM Part Number and the Packing Slip or Invoice will show a supers-session to the "new" local Part Number.

In some cases (even like the coils) Both Parts are available, usually as one is cheaper as it is made or imported from another country.

Our local Mazda Parts Departments are sometimes told via a Parts Flash Bulletin if there is a Number(s) Change.

Aceninja 10-28-2010 10:17 AM

Anyone in Puerto Rico?
 
Did anyone living in Puerto Rico get a letter from Mazda yet? MAZDA NA seems to consider PR as a foreign country, so I was wondering if that recall applies here. Still waiting to hear an official answer from Mazda, but was wondering if anyone here got it?

nycgps 10-29-2010 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by Aceninja (Post 3764525)
Did anyone living in Puerto Rico get a letter from Mazda yet? MAZDA NA seems to consider PR as a foreign country, so I was wondering if that recall applies here. Still waiting to hear an official answer from Mazda, but was wondering if anyone here got it?

my understanding is that PR is not part of the US.

So this probably not gonna apply to you.



Just got my letter today, ooooosh ! my pedal is sqeaking. might be a good time to get it replace.

ASH8 10-29-2010 03:57 PM

Noticed there is Now no difference in price between the..
N3H1-18-100B
N3H1-18-100B 9U

They are the Identical same Part.

nycgps 10-30-2010 12:25 AM

Here is the goodies ...
 
5 Attachment(s)
https://www.rx8club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1288416312
https://www.rx8club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1288416312
https://www.rx8club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1288416312
https://www.rx8club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1288416312
https://www.rx8club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1288416312

Mail came today, left the house, came back, Pedal is here :)

Now looking it closer, does it look exact same shit? better material? the weld spot is a bit different. anything to do with this recall ?

if its the same shit then why did they update the part? If the problem is really what they said it was due to "improper tighten spec" , then I don't really see a point of updating the part. So they must did something to it.

I won't be able to take my bracket out until Monday or Tuesday for a side by side comparison.

ASH8 10-30-2010 04:27 AM

Part Number has changed because it is a 3 piece kit.

You don't get the two switches when you normally order the separate Clutch Bracket.

Frankly I don't know why Mazda Japan have included the switches..

Probably because they think if the metal is fatigued or broken or worn out then they may think the switches could also be an issue?

It will be interesting to see the comparison.

nycgps 10-30-2010 09:44 AM

yea, when I first saw the bag I was like wtf ? why is there a box ?

Opened it and like ooo its both switches.

Now its daytime got more light, I looked at the bracket again hmm I don't see any difference ... gonna do a side by side comparison on monday :)

Race Roots 10-31-2010 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by nycgps (Post 3767012)
yea, when I first saw the bag I was like wtf ? why is there a box ?

Opened it and like ooo its both switches.

Now its daytime got more light, I looked at the bracket again hmm I don't see any difference ... gonna do a side by side comparison on monday :)

Lol I will wait but I will let you decide for yourself. Like I said before it is the same thing as before the change is they are including the switches as part of the "new" part number like ASH said.

TOMCATS8 10-31-2010 06:23 PM

why did they mail it to you? i want to take just the clutch pedal to the stealership and swap for a new one!!!! Is that possible?

nycgps 10-31-2010 07:01 PM


Originally Posted by Race Roots (Post 3767563)
Lol I will wait but I will let you decide for yourself. Like I said before it is the same thing as before the change is they are including the switches as part of the "new" part number like ASH said.

what is the point of having new switch? but we'll probably never know.

or maybe they changed supplier and the material has improved? no idea.


Originally Posted by TOMCATS8 (Post 3767772)
why did they mail it to you? i want to take just the clutch pedal to the stealership and swap for a new one!!!! Is that possible?

yeah I "paid" for them so they mailed it to me :)

Tweek 10-31-2010 09:32 PM

just got my letter! WOOT 100$ to pocket.

Wait, since i put the pedal in myself, can i ask for more $$ to reimburse?

nycgps 10-31-2010 10:07 PM


Originally Posted by Tweek (Post 3767891)
just got my letter! WOOT 100$ to pocket.

Wait, since i put the pedal in myself, can i ask for more $$ to reimburse?

nope.

Tamas 11-01-2010 01:34 AM

This "new" assembly looks like the same crap what was in the car already (and it broke). :icon_no2:
I can't believe they'd just use the same shit and hope it does not break again until the owner runs out of the extended warranty... but it seems that's exactly what they are doing. :icon_tdow
So typical... just do the bare minimum to get out of the responsibility.

DarkBrew 11-01-2010 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by Tamas (Post 3768045)
This "new" assembly looks like the same crap what was in the car already (and it broke). :icon_no2:
I can't believe they'd just use the same shit and hope it does not break again until the owner runs out of the extended warranty... but it seems that's exactly what they are doing. :icon_tdow
So typical... just do the bare minimum to get out of the responsibility.

As expected. Get the reinforcement bracket and stop worrying

ken-x8 11-01-2010 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by Tamas (Post 3768045)
This "new" assembly looks like the same ... what was in the car already (and it broke)...
I can't believe they'd just use the same ... and hope it does not break again .

Mazda says the problem is improper installation, rather than a problem with the part itself.

Does the shop manual give an installation procedure? If not, I'm looking forward to seeing the TSB that defines one.

Ken

bse50 11-01-2010 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by ken-x8 (Post 3768192)
Mazda says the problem is improper installation, rather than a problem with the part itself.

Does the shop manual give an installation procedure? If not, I'm looking forward to seeing the TSB that defines one.

Ken

Mazda can say that pigs fly too but if you put the pedal assembly in a vice and press the clutch pedal you can see said assembly flex where the breaking points are...
Pretty scary if you ask me!
Luckily enough for the diy guys all that's required are a welder and some scrap metal. Sucks for the average users though.

nycgps 11-01-2010 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by ken-x8 (Post 3768192)
Mazda says the problem is improper installation, rather than a problem with the part itself.

Does the shop manual give an installation procedure? If not, I'm looking forward to seeing the TSB that defines one.

Ken

nope it does not, cuz its pure horse shit, again, 2 nuts thats like 15 lbs of tq not gonna effect the pedal's life. its the pedal itself.

100K miles warranty is better than nothing I guess ?

DarkBrew 11-01-2010 10:59 AM

It is actually three nuts that hold the bracket.
The two are on the firewall plate and one up top.
I can see that if the top one was not tight the bracket would flex badly cuz it would be free to slide on top.
But that cannot be what they mean.... could it??

http://coloradomazdaclub.com/forums/..._223_19439.jpg

ken-x8 11-01-2010 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by DarkBrew (Post 3768337)
It is actually three nuts that hold the bracket.
The two are on the firewall plate and one up top.
I can see that if the top one was not tight the bracket would flex badly cuz it would be free to slide on top.
But that cannot be what they mean.... could it??

Nah. What they would mean is a yahoo on the assembly line throwing the bracket on, tightening the first nut all the way without aligning the others, then letting the bracket bend as the others are tightened.

As opposed to finger tightening all, then torquing them final in a couple of stages.

Since the yahoo method can warp and ruin a brake drum or disk, it ought to be able to do a job on a thin sheet metal part.

Ken

nycgps 11-01-2010 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by DarkBrew (Post 3768337)
It is actually three nuts that hold the bracket.
The two are on the firewall plate and one up top.
I can see that if the top one was not tight the bracket would flex badly cuz it would be free to slide on top.
But that cannot be what they mean.... could it??

I know there is 3 in total, I said 2 because only 2 of them needs "love" from the socket + ratchet. the last one is plastic you just push it in.

DarkBrew 11-01-2010 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by nycgps (Post 3768517)
I know there is 3 in total, I said 2 because only 2 of them needs "love" from the socket + ratchet. the last one is plastic you just push it in.

Not the third one I meant...
Refer to the photo a few posts back
The bolt up near the springs

Conwardo 11-01-2010 11:20 PM

What would the symptoms be that would cause you to have to get the pedal assembly replaced?

DarkBrew 11-01-2010 11:26 PM


Originally Posted by Conwardo (Post 3769231)
What would the symptoms be that would cause you to have to get the pedal assembly replaced?

Seriously?
Summary of thread
Creaking, squeaking, tearing metal, pedal on floor, no clutch, stranded car, possible accident, nycgps starts campaign, NHTSA forces warranty.

Chrishoky 11-01-2010 11:52 PM


Originally Posted by Conwardo (Post 3769231)
What would the symptoms be that would cause you to have to get the pedal assembly replaced?

You'll know you have a problem when the clutch pedal snaps right off while your driving down the road.

SayNoToPistons 11-02-2010 01:27 AM

Just got my letter today in the mail. Just occasional pedal squeaking as far as I know. Cant bring it in yet.

JeRKy 8 Owner 11-02-2010 08:45 AM

If you mailed in for reimbursement the first week the letters went out, I'd guess the checks would be processed around Christmas time

Raptor75 11-02-2010 10:08 AM

So, I've had the creaking clutch pedal about a year now and just received my letter. If I bring the car in and Mazda does not see a crack will they hit me with a bill?

If I let it go and it breaks down will Mazda cover the towing cost under warranty?

Does anyone have a picture of whee the creaking occurs?

Mazda Mike 11-02-2010 10:12 AM

"Mazda Motor Corporation has decided to conduct a Special Service Program (SSP) to extend the warrany coverage for the clutch pedal assembly (replacement of the clutch pedal assembly due to a problem with the clutch pedal bracket) on certain 04-09 RX-8 vehicles, produced from Aprill 10th 2003 through September 13th 2008"

"The warrant coverage for the clutch pedal assemly will be extended to 8 years (96 months) from the original warranty start date, with a 100,000 mileage limitation. If you you are a recipient of this notice, your vehicle is included in this program."

"On certain 04-09 RX-8 vehicles, it is possible that the clutch pedal bracket may have a crack, causing an abnormal noise. If the clutch pedal continues to be operated with this condition, the clutch pedal bracket may break, changing the disengagement point of the clutch and possibly preventing the shifting of gears. If your RX-8 experiences this symptom, please make an apoointment with a Mazda dealer to have the vehicle inspected. If the clutch and/or shifting problem is due to the broken clutch pedal bracket, your dealer will replace the clutch pedal assembly FREE OF CHARGE, during the terms of this warranty extension program."


(My fav part) "If you have already paid for the replacement of the clutch pedal assemby due to a prblem with the clutch pedal bracket, you may b eligible for reimbursement of reasonable repair expenses based on Mazdas repai standards. Please complete the enclosed "Reimbursement Application Form," including the necessary documnentation, and mail it to us in the pre-addressed envelope provided, allowing 6-8 weeks for processing."

Someone might wanna update the first post.

Someone might wanna start a poll to see how much they're planning on getting back. $559! WOOT!

nycgps 11-02-2010 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by Mazda Mike (Post 3769579)
Someone might wanna update the first post.

Did that weeks ago.


Someone might wanna start a poll to see how much they're planning on getting back. $559! WOOT!
they charged u 559 for this? wow.

DarkBrew 11-02-2010 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by Raptor75 (Post 3769573)
So, I've had the creaking clutch pedal about a year now and just received my letter. If I bring the car in and Mazda does not see a crack will they hit me with a bill?

If I let it go and it breaks down will Mazda cover the towing cost under warranty?

Does anyone have a picture of whee the creaking occurs?

Yes, ~$100

:dunno:

https://www.rx8club.com/race-roots-134/clutch-pedal-bracket-solutions-explanations-now-recall-194975/

Take some clear pics and post them here for people to comment on. Save $100

Mazda Mike 11-02-2010 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by nycgps (Post 3769710)
Did that weeks ago.



they charged u 559 for this? wow.

I was refering to the paragraphs that are directly from the letter. Thought it would help.

And it was 300 for the clutch part and 200+ for labor... and this was at the CFLRX8club known dealiership. But it's all coming back now, so I'm not worried.

Raptor75 11-02-2010 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by DarkBrew (Post 3769715)

So they want to charge me $100 if I'm proactive but if I let it die and have it towed in they will cover all costs because it is warranty work...brilliant. Mazda strikes again!

Where should I look on the peddle assembly for the cracking?

DarkBrew 11-02-2010 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by Raptor75 (Post 3769761)
So they want to charge me $100 if I'm proactive but if I let it die and have it towed in they will cover all costs because it is warranty work...brilliant. Mazda strikes again!

Where should I look on the peddle assembly for the cracking?

If your clutch pedal is moving laterally toward the brake pedal then get it fixed right away

See these posts for pictures of the bracket in place
https://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php...postcount=1111
https://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php...postcount=1112

These pictures are all over the site! You'll have to search a bit
http://silvereightstudio.com/misc/Br...t/DSC_1862.JPG

I highly recommend spending $135 on the RaceRoots.com clutch reinforcement bracket.
You can install it in an hour and never worry about the clutch pedal again
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o...onstrRX8/4.jpg

Raptor75 11-02-2010 02:26 PM

Thanks DarkBrew I was looking around but did not check every post. Now I know what to look for. Much appreciated.

nycgps 11-02-2010 02:59 PM

funny when Manhattan Mazda replaced my pedal, they said I "might" have aftermarket clutch installed and this is a "one time repair" only. yeah, I have something called "OE clutch made by Exedy in there so hmm yea its aftermarket? right ? I didn't know Mazda make their own clutches !

Now I think I should take this SSP82 letter back there and stick it up their fat asses.

Mazda Mike 11-03-2010 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by nycgps (Post 3770156)
funny when Manhattan Mazda replaced my pedal, they said I "might" have aftermarket clutch installed and this is a "one time repair" only. yeah, I have something called "OE clutch made by Exedy in there so hmm yea its aftermarket? right ? I didn't know Mazda make their own clutches !

Now I think I should take this SSP82 letter back there and stick it up their fat asses.

I'd say do it.. just to piss them off... but then the smart side kicks in and if I ever need work done on my car, I might think twice if I wanna take it there.

The dealiership that works on our Central Florida Cars are really great and nice people. I'll pay a little extra for quicker service and people that actually communicate.

nycgps 11-03-2010 09:20 AM

Update Guys :

I took the bracket out and looked at it side by side ----- I don't see any difference ...

maybe like Ash8 said they just include the switch and call it a "new bracket" ?

Didn't take pictures. I forgot to bring my camera down and I was in a hurry to go out.

ASH8 11-03-2010 04:12 PM

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT....lol
 

"Mazda Motor Corporation has decided to conduct a Special Service Program (SSP) to extend the warranty coverage for the clutch pedal assembly (replacement of the clutch pedal assembly due to a problem with the clutch pedal bracket) on certain 04-09 RX-8 vehicles, produced from April 10th 2003 through September 13th 2008"
OK, this information CONFIRMS what I thought and said previously..

For ALL Manual Trans RX-8's S1 and S2.

The last Production Date of Sept 13th 2008 (I make it Sep 15th 2008 according to Mazda's EPC) is when Mazda JAPAN made their last and it appears FINAL modification to the C Part Number Clutch Bracket.

So IF you have had the C Clutch Bracket as a replacement part, YOU already have the last and latest CB Installed in your car.

ASH8 11-03-2010 04:18 PM

These are the last "modified" Clutch Brackets" for Left and Right hand drive RX-8's.

FE05-41-300C Clutch Pedal Alum (LHD)
FE15-41-300C Clutch Pedal STD (LHD)

F157-41-300C Clutch Pedal Alum (RHD)
F151-41-300C Clutch Pedal STD (RHD)

nycgps 11-03-2010 10:12 PM


Originally Posted by ASH8 (Post 3771941)
These are the last "modified" Clutch Brackets" for Left and Right hand drive RX-8's.

FE05-41-300C Clutch Pedal Alum (LHD)
FE15-41-300C Clutch Pedal STD (LHD)

F157-41-300C Clutch Pedal Alum (RHD)
F151-41-300C Clutch Pedal STD (RHD)

I saw the C bracket a while ago. just didn't know it was some sort of "final" version.

Im pretty sure I have the B version. cuz I got it end of 2007.

hah ~ its squeaking a little bit, I will wait until the thing starts cracking then I will replace it.

Race Roots 11-04-2010 12:19 AM


Originally Posted by nycgps (Post 3771022)
Update Guys :

I took the bracket out and looked at it side by side ----- I don't see any difference ...

maybe like Ash8 said they just include the switch and call it a "new bracket" ?

Didn't take pictures. I forgot to bring my camera down and I was in a hurry to go out.

Why you never believe me I have no idea...lol

ASH8 11-04-2010 03:19 AM


Originally Posted by nycgps (Post 3772406)
I saw the C bracket a while ago. just didn't know it was some sort of "final" version.

Im pretty sure I have the B version. cuz I got it end of 2007.

hah ~ its squeaking a little bit, I will wait until the thing starts cracking then I will replace it.

Well it is easy to work out, MNAO are only covering cars made up to 13th Sept 2008, no cars later than that.

That just happens to be the date and time when Mazda modded the bracket to the C.
All cars after 15th Sept 2008 have the C bracket, and replacing it is just renewing with the same part already used in production from that date.

There is no later bracket than a C.

Also the C has only been fitted to S2 8's made after that September date.

Having said that there is no guarantee that the C's will not fail, but, time will tell I guess.

DarkBrew 11-04-2010 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by ASH8 (Post 3772553)
All cars after 15th Sept 2008 have the C bracket, and replacing it is just renewing with the same part already used in production from that date.

The original brackets started to fail around 2007 which means 3 to 4 years after production... So 2011 - 2012 we'll see how the new 'C' parts hold up....

ASH8 11-04-2010 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by DarkBrew (Post 3772863)
The original brackets started to fail around 2007 which means 3 to 4 years after production... So 2011 - 2012 we'll see how the new parts hold up....

Just to explain it again..this Warranty Extension in N.A INCLUDES Series 2 RX-8's which used the B Clutch Bracket...

BUT IT DOES NOT INCLUDE SERIES 2 WITH THE C BRACKET....

So it is obvious Mazda "believes" the C bracket will last and not fail.

So for the tenth time...those who get this clutch bracket are getting the latest C bracket that is used in RX-8's made AFTER Sept 15th, 2008.

;)

Raptor75 11-05-2010 11:56 AM

Well, my clutch peddle is moaning like a two-dollar whore these days but I have noticed no cracks in the metal as of yet. I hate to have to wait for this thing to fail before Mazda will act on it.

I tell you it wouldn't take much to help it along so Mazda will correct the problem before it strands me some place.

I was also shocked at how thin the metal is for this part, I read the posts but still didn't expect this. I'm all for weight reduction but this has gone to far.

nycgps 11-05-2010 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by Race Roots (Post 3772477)
Why you never believe me I have no idea...lol

Cuz I don't believe in gay people ... :mchase: :lol:

Nah, not that I don't believe u. I just wanna see/compare the bracket myself thats all.


Originally Posted by ASH8 (Post 3772553)
Well it is easy to work out, MNAO are only covering cars made up to 13th Sept 2008, no cars later than that.

That just happens to be the date and time when Mazda modded the bracket to the C.
All cars after 15th Sept 2008 have the C bracket, and replacing it is just renewing with the same part already used in production from that date.

There is no later bracket than a C.

Also the C has only been fitted to S2 8's made after that September date.

Having said that there is no guarantee that the C's will not fail, but, time will tell I guess.

it looks exact same shit as the B bracket that I have.

C will not fail? My B is already squeaking. Good Job Mazda ! :squint:

ASH8 11-05-2010 03:28 PM

Jeez..you are getting one for FREE...what do you fucking want the moon!..;)

JeRKy 8 Owner 11-06-2010 12:27 AM


Originally Posted by Raptor75 (Post 3774548)
Well, my clutch peddle is moaning like a two-dollar whore these days but I have noticed no cracks in the metal as of yet. I hate to have to wait for this thing to fail before Mazda will act on it.

I tell you it wouldn't take much to help it along so Mazda will correct the problem before it strands me some place.

I was also shocked at how thin the metal is for this part, I read the posts but still didn't expect this. I'm all for weight reduction but this has gone to far.


It doesn't just go bad all of a sudden. From what I remember, the squeaking went on for several months without having any real concerns down there. Eventually though, it gets to the point where you'll notice that it's starting to become too easy to push in the pedal...very little resistance. Once you reach that point, it's a gradual process. I'd say you've got maybe a day or two left before the pedal becomes completely unresponsive. You'll know when it's time, but if it just started squeaking recently then it's way too early to know


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