View Poll Results: Have you flooded your Renesis?
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#326
Originally posted by nicrsx
Understood!
But....
If you don't push on what needs to be fixed.
If you smile and say may I have another sir.
It may mean you are macho.
It may mean you truly are able to take the punishment.
It may mean you are being abused.
Dollars and cents.
You paid. They owe. Period
Great car to drive. I agree.
Can it be better?
Shouldn't they be working on making it better?
Shouldn't they stand behind their product?
No deep thought here. If you want passion... I mean a Ferrari..
thats passion. There was a time that I would take abuse
to drive what I liked. It is not quite that way anymore. Mazda
is never going to drive me to passion like Enzo's stuff.
Understood!
But....
If you don't push on what needs to be fixed.
If you smile and say may I have another sir.
It may mean you are macho.
It may mean you truly are able to take the punishment.
It may mean you are being abused.
Dollars and cents.
You paid. They owe. Period
Great car to drive. I agree.
Can it be better?
Shouldn't they be working on making it better?
Shouldn't they stand behind their product?
No deep thought here. If you want passion... I mean a Ferrari..
thats passion. There was a time that I would take abuse
to drive what I liked. It is not quite that way anymore. Mazda
is never going to drive me to passion like Enzo's stuff.
#327
LoL, that's cold Skagen. I hate it when people can't differentiate "your" and "you're" as well. Oh well, some just don't get it no matter what you say. Yea, Nic your battery died. Try starting your car more than once a month. Well ALL know about the serious flooding issue. Your feedback was already given by plenty others before you. Mazda acknowledges this is a problem already. Now, just wait for a solution. Unless of course you want to continue harassing Mazda and then having them put forth a mediocre solution. Simmer down and be patient.
http://www.finishlineperformance.com.../01-011-04.htm
http://www.finishlineperformance.com.../01-011-04.htm
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nic: It's the first year of a new model. It will have bugs that need to be worked out. The first year is always the most problematic one. You knew this so why not wait until the 2nd or 3rd model year? Why do you think that Mazda isn't working to improve it? Do you work for Mazda Japan and know something we don't? You know there will be changes to the following model years. There always are. No **** it's no Ferrari! So you are saying that putting up with problems and taking abuse to drive what you love is acceptable from a several hundred thousand dollar car such as a Ferrari but a much cheaper car should be perfect? I see a problem with that. If a battery is weak how is that Mazda's fault? Isn't it the fault of the battery manufacturer? Nobody forces anyone to buy a car. That they do of their own free will. If a person buys a car that they have issues with, maybe they should have done their homework a little better before they signed on the dotted line. Mazda's marketing department did their job since you bought the car. They did nothing criminal. It is up to customer service to take car of issues and up to corporate to see that all of the issues from the first year and those that follow are worked out in each successive year model.
#329
I wan't gonna but i gotta.
First this is fun.
Second my battery didnt die.
Third picking on spelling in a forum is a moronic.
Fourt all you need to do is to send your money to me for god sake,
because with the attitude of adolecent fans you will be parted
with it any way.
Hey
IF YOU GOT A BITCH WITH MAZDA WRITE EM... EMAIL THEM
CALL THEM... Yea it might do some good.
If not hey you have the pleasure to know that you made me
happy.
For all of you that already have tried to fight this battle including
Skankbut, I salute your efforts.
First this is fun.
Second my battery didnt die.
Third picking on spelling in a forum is a moronic.
Fourt all you need to do is to send your money to me for god sake,
because with the attitude of adolecent fans you will be parted
with it any way.
Hey
IF YOU GOT A BITCH WITH MAZDA WRITE EM... EMAIL THEM
CALL THEM... Yea it might do some good.
If not hey you have the pleasure to know that you made me
happy.
For all of you that already have tried to fight this battle including
Skankbut, I salute your efforts.
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Originally posted by rotarygod
Glow plugs are the diesel engine's equivalent of spark plugs. They better nto be installing those! They are probably just installing hooter plugs and some sevice guy didn't know what they were called (scary?).
Glow plugs are the diesel engine's equivalent of spark plugs. They better nto be installing those! They are probably just installing hooter plugs and some sevice guy didn't know what they were called (scary?).
They are, apparently, just a different model of plug that Mazda recommends for cold-weather drivers, or anyone who has had the flooding problem. They burn a little bit hotter and have a bigger spark. Apparently you cannot tell the difference except via the part number, they are identical in shape, size, color, etc. (for the brand they are using).
#331
Originally posted by nicrsx
Third picking on spelling in a forum is a moronic.
Fourt all you need to do is to send your money to me for god sake,
because with the attitude of adolecent fans you will be parted
with it any way.
Third picking on spelling in a forum is a moronic.
Fourt all you need to do is to send your money to me for god sake,
because with the attitude of adolecent fans you will be parted
with it any way.
"Fourt"
"adolecent"
Not only do you not know how to spell, you can't even write with proper grammar. Jeez, talk about adolescence, you write like you're in fifth grade lol. Like RotaryGod said, its the first year so just be patient.
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Originally posted by nicrsx
I wan't gonna but i gotta.
First this is fun.
Second my battery didnt die.
Third picking on spelling in a forum is a moronic.
Fourt all you need to do is to send your money to me for god sake,
because with the attitude of adolecent fans you will be parted
with it any way.
Hey
IF YOU GOT A BITCH WITH MAZDA WRITE EM... EMAIL THEM
CALL THEM... Yea it might do some good.
If not hey you have the pleasure to know that you made me
happy.
For all of you that already have tried to fight this battle including
Skankbut, I salute your efforts.
I wan't gonna but i gotta.
First this is fun.
Second my battery didnt die.
Third picking on spelling in a forum is a moronic.
Fourt all you need to do is to send your money to me for god sake,
because with the attitude of adolecent fans you will be parted
with it any way.
Hey
IF YOU GOT A BITCH WITH MAZDA WRITE EM... EMAIL THEM
CALL THEM... Yea it might do some good.
If not hey you have the pleasure to know that you made me
happy.
For all of you that already have tried to fight this battle including
Skankbut, I salute your efforts.
What kind of sh@# are you writing Nic? Try using spellchecker before you post. The flooding issue is acknowledged, now shutup and wait. If you can't wait, then go buy a Ferrari cause it gives you so much PASSION, PASSION, PASSION!!! AAAAAAH! lol, lay off the caffeine freak.
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Originally posted by wakeech
thread has been reopened, i expect to see everything civil and back on-topic.
thread has been reopened, i expect to see everything civil and back on-topic.
Next thing you know this place will turn into another RX7 Forum :D
Why can't we all just get along?:p
#335
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Wow nice long thread...
Anyway yes my car flooded this past tuesday after work. We had some snow this past tuesday so it's 5 pm .... i'm ready to go home... turn the key and put it in reverse and my tires were spinning and my backend was sliding sideways instead of pulling backwards out of the lot and I was like "oh sh*t" and slam on the brakes and stall. Try to start it up again... no go. Lucking I had the mazda tow service hotline with me and had my car towed and am now driving an annoying ford taurus rental from enterpise while I'm waiting for my car back from hamilton mazda.
oi
Anyway yes my car flooded this past tuesday after work. We had some snow this past tuesday so it's 5 pm .... i'm ready to go home... turn the key and put it in reverse and my tires were spinning and my backend was sliding sideways instead of pulling backwards out of the lot and I was like "oh sh*t" and slam on the brakes and stall. Try to start it up again... no go. Lucking I had the mazda tow service hotline with me and had my car towed and am now driving an annoying ford taurus rental from enterpise while I'm waiting for my car back from hamilton mazda.
oi
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Hi, i'm new on this forum and i'm french (sorry for my english if i make a lot of errors)
I got a black RX8 and when I read all your reply on this topic i'm affraid to see that 1/4 of people had flooded their engine.
I just need one information about the flood. Do it happen only when we start and stop the car when the engine is cold? I mean if i drive my car several minutes and then I stop it. And then few minutes later i start and stop the engine while the engine is allready warm can i have the engine flooded? Or it happen only when the engine is cold?
It happen 2 or 3 times where I start and stop engine when I need to move the car in my parling but never flooded my engine.
I notice that 2 times I had difficult to start the car, i mean it start at the first time but take a little more time. seems to have difficult. Is it a kind of flooding?
Sorry for my english, we don't have french forum for RX8
I got a black RX8 and when I read all your reply on this topic i'm affraid to see that 1/4 of people had flooded their engine.
I just need one information about the flood. Do it happen only when we start and stop the car when the engine is cold? I mean if i drive my car several minutes and then I stop it. And then few minutes later i start and stop the engine while the engine is allready warm can i have the engine flooded? Or it happen only when the engine is cold?
It happen 2 or 3 times where I start and stop engine when I need to move the car in my parling but never flooded my engine.
I notice that 2 times I had difficult to start the car, i mean it start at the first time but take a little more time. seems to have difficult. Is it a kind of flooding?
Sorry for my english, we don't have french forum for RX8
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I drive about 120 miles a day during the week since March 2nd. I let it warm up until the engine revs normal and I have had no problems. The dealer told me about the flooding problem so I am alittle weary about it. And yes I do go through alot of gas.
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Originally posted by dinbougre
Do it happen only when we start and stop the car when the engine is cold? I mean if i drive my car several minutes and then I stop it. And then few minutes later i start and stop the engine while the engine is allready warm can i have the engine flooded? Or it happen only when the engine is cold?
Do it happen only when we start and stop the car when the engine is cold? I mean if i drive my car several minutes and then I stop it. And then few minutes later i start and stop the engine while the engine is allready warm can i have the engine flooded? Or it happen only when the engine is cold?
The official Mazda statement is that if the car is started, it should be allowed to run until the temperature gauge reads in the middle of the range. Hence, if the car is already warm this does not take long.
Note that one cannot predict whether a short trip (even with a cold engine) will cause flooding. Some people have done this with no flooding. Some people do it once and flood. However, because the flooding is not fully understood, it is strongly recommended that short trips be avoided if at all possible. Also, even if it does flood, sometimes the Mazda de-choking procedure in the owner's manual will work.
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Originally posted by msrecant
Don't worry about your writing, your English is a lot better than my French.
The official Mazda statement is that if the car is started, it should be allowed to run until the temperature gauge reads in the middle of the range. Hence, if the car is already warm this does not take long.
Note that one cannot predict whether a short trip (even with a cold engine) will cause flooding. Some people have done this with no flooding. Some people do it once and flood. However, because the flooding is not fully understood, it is strongly recommended that short trips be avoided if at all possible. Also, even if it does flood, sometimes the Mazda de-choking procedure in the owner's manual will work.
Don't worry about your writing, your English is a lot better than my French.
The official Mazda statement is that if the car is started, it should be allowed to run until the temperature gauge reads in the middle of the range. Hence, if the car is already warm this does not take long.
Note that one cannot predict whether a short trip (even with a cold engine) will cause flooding. Some people have done this with no flooding. Some people do it once and flood. However, because the flooding is not fully understood, it is strongly recommended that short trips be avoided if at all possible. Also, even if it does flood, sometimes the Mazda de-choking procedure in the owner's manual will work.
because when i went to the karsher and if there is a little queue i prefer not to stop the engine and then start it and then stop it and then... even if the engine is allready warm.
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i don't understand, if the rotary engine has a problem off flooding when cold, then why don't they just make the car rev @ whatever RPM's for so long, to heat up enough not to flood. Or even better, what if the rotory engine just shot in a mixture of air/oil when you turn the car off, this way it can't flood. I mean maybe I don't fully understand the problems, but jeez it doesn't sound that hard to fix. My friends Audi's engine doesn't turn off until 1 minute after he pulls out the keys, so why don't they just make this a standard procedure on this rotary engine?
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what happens to the engine when it floods so that it needs to go the the dealer and have the plugs replaced? Why should flooding hurt the plugs? Does any other damage get done?
--thinking of buying an RX-8 but definitely want dependability with my fun
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I think the plug replacement is a precautionary measure. It's the removal of the plugs that's the requirement -- this allows the unburnt fuel to dry out.
I don't think there's a reliability issue. Not really. From what I've read, this has been a problem with the rotary which goes back a long time. Not all are affected, either.
The rule of thumb seems to be this: don't start the car if you're not going to drive it. (It's not good for any engine, piston or rotary or turbine, to shut it down cold -- most wear under normal conditions occurs in the first minute or two.)
I don't think there's a reliability issue. Not really. From what I've read, this has been a problem with the rotary which goes back a long time. Not all are affected, either.
The rule of thumb seems to be this: don't start the car if you're not going to drive it. (It's not good for any engine, piston or rotary or turbine, to shut it down cold -- most wear under normal conditions occurs in the first minute or two.)
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Can anyone explain why the rotary doesn't just start like a piston engine if you let it sit for a few minutes after flooding? And why the plugs (and whatever else) need to be replaced? Why should flooding cause such problems?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by thered1996
[B]I think the plug replacement is a precautionary measure. It's the removal of the plugs that's the requirement -- this allows the unburnt fuel to dry out.
This doesn't make sense to me. Unburned fuel should evaporate, as it does when a piston engine floods.
[B]I think the plug replacement is a precautionary measure. It's the removal of the plugs that's the requirement -- this allows the unburnt fuel to dry out.
This doesn't make sense to me. Unburned fuel should evaporate, as it does when a piston engine floods.
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well what you have to understand is that the fuel doesn't evaporate, and yeah you can flood a piston engine bad enough that you have to open it up to clean everything out. when you flood an engine, gas gets into the seals, driving out the oil, and you completely lose compression, meaning that your engine's seals stop sealing. this isn't fixed by "evaporation" (which can't happen anyway in a closed motor: where is the fuel going to evaporate to?)
replacing the plugs with new ones is a BS way for dealerships/Mazda to make more money (selling more stuff is better than not), as all you really have to do is just clean off the lightly fouled plugs (not even necessary in many cases)... i mean, you don't even have to gap the damned things, there's nothing to go wrong, and at like $20 a pop or whatever it is, just soak them in solvant for 5 seconds, brush them, clean 'em off with a rag and done. that takes a mechanic a good 15 seconds, you don't need new plugs.
opening up the combustion chamber is necessary to get the pooled gasoline out of the engine (the gasoline can't drain directly into the sump) and so you can drip a little oil in to regain compression (if the flood is bad enough).
replacing the plugs with new ones is a BS way for dealerships/Mazda to make more money (selling more stuff is better than not), as all you really have to do is just clean off the lightly fouled plugs (not even necessary in many cases)... i mean, you don't even have to gap the damned things, there's nothing to go wrong, and at like $20 a pop or whatever it is, just soak them in solvant for 5 seconds, brush them, clean 'em off with a rag and done. that takes a mechanic a good 15 seconds, you don't need new plugs.
opening up the combustion chamber is necessary to get the pooled gasoline out of the engine (the gasoline can't drain directly into the sump) and so you can drip a little oil in to regain compression (if the flood is bad enough).
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Originally posted by wakeech
replacing the plugs with new ones is a BS way for dealerships/Mazda to make more money (selling more stuff is better than not), as all you really have to do is just clean off the lightly fouled plugs
replacing the plugs with new ones is a BS way for dealerships/Mazda to make more money (selling more stuff is better than not), as all you really have to do is just clean off the lightly fouled plugs
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hey wakeech,
If your car did flood, couldn't u just push it into 1st and have some car push u some to just clean the engine? Wouldn't that be a faster method? I mean granted that oil is clogged around the spark plugs, but lets say it does start... Would you still have to clean the spark plugs after you started it? Or would revving the engine some just clean the whole thing? And wouldn't a CV ECU piggyback system give you a less chance of this occuring?
If your car did flood, couldn't u just push it into 1st and have some car push u some to just clean the engine? Wouldn't that be a faster method? I mean granted that oil is clogged around the spark plugs, but lets say it does start... Would you still have to clean the spark plugs after you started it? Or would revving the engine some just clean the whole thing? And wouldn't a CV ECU piggyback system give you a less chance of this occuring?
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Wakeech
well what you have to understand is that the fuel doesn't evaporate, and yeah you can flood a piston engine bad enough that you have to open it up to clean everything out. when you flood an engine, gas gets into the seals, driving out the oil, and you completely lose compression, meaning that your engine's seals stop sealing. this isn't fixed by "evaporation" (which can't happen anyway in a closed motor: where is the fuel going to evaporate to?)
opening up the combustion chamber is necessary to get the pooled gasoline out of the engine (the gasoline can't drain directly into the sump) and so you can drip a little oil in to regain compression (if the flood is bad enough).
Thanks, Wakeech, this is helpful. But a few more questions: I've never heard of a piston engine flooding so bad it had to be opened up, and I remember some pretty bad instances of flooding from my childhood. Wouldn't just turning the engine over with the starter motor get the oil squirting back onto the cylinder walls in a piston engine to seal the seals, and wouldn't it do the analogous thing in a rotary? And wouldn't any pooled gasoline evaporate out through the intake and exhaust ports (whatever they are called) in a rotary, as I suspect it does in a piston engine? My late mother may she rest in peace flooded the '65 Peugeot fairly often in the winter, all you had to do was wait 5-10 minutes and the thing would start, and gasoline is very volatile.
well what you have to understand is that the fuel doesn't evaporate, and yeah you can flood a piston engine bad enough that you have to open it up to clean everything out. when you flood an engine, gas gets into the seals, driving out the oil, and you completely lose compression, meaning that your engine's seals stop sealing. this isn't fixed by "evaporation" (which can't happen anyway in a closed motor: where is the fuel going to evaporate to?)
opening up the combustion chamber is necessary to get the pooled gasoline out of the engine (the gasoline can't drain directly into the sump) and so you can drip a little oil in to regain compression (if the flood is bad enough).
Thanks, Wakeech, this is helpful. But a few more questions: I've never heard of a piston engine flooding so bad it had to be opened up, and I remember some pretty bad instances of flooding from my childhood. Wouldn't just turning the engine over with the starter motor get the oil squirting back onto the cylinder walls in a piston engine to seal the seals, and wouldn't it do the analogous thing in a rotary? And wouldn't any pooled gasoline evaporate out through the intake and exhaust ports (whatever they are called) in a rotary, as I suspect it does in a piston engine? My late mother may she rest in peace flooded the '65 Peugeot fairly often in the winter, all you had to do was wait 5-10 minutes and the thing would start, and gasoline is very volatile.