View Poll Results: Have you flooded your Renesis?
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Engine Flooding Info/Questions
#576
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you might get the new higher cca battery out of this. there have been otehr reports of cars sitting for 5 days or so and then not starting. most i think were low batteries. the flash you got may have been the buggy on ebut i dont think it has anything to do realy wiht your no-start.
#578
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FLOODED?! I guess its true...
I bought my baby in April and i have NEVER had a single problem. Today of all days, i went to start he up as i do everyday and ...nothing. She wouldnt even cough. After following the flood instructions in the users manual, still nothing. Does anyone have any tricks up their sleeve i could try? I relly dont want to call "Camel Tow." :p
Please ... someone help my baby....
P.S. I am awaiting the arival of my CZ 1 computer tommorow!
Just my luck
Please ... someone help my baby....
P.S. I am awaiting the arival of my CZ 1 computer tommorow!
Just my luck
#579
Just keep doin what is say. if it doesnt start,, Depress the gas and start hold for 10 secounds if it doesnt start then release gas and start liek noraml. Keep doing that off and on liek that,. It should eventually start....
It took me 20 min to get mine started last week. Was sitin in the garage for 3 days and very cold like 10 f... I had to hook up the bat charger to it to keep the juice up to have it crank over faster..
Good luck
She'll start
It took me 20 min to get mine started last week. Was sitin in the garage for 3 days and very cold like 10 f... I had to hook up the bat charger to it to keep the juice up to have it crank over faster..
Good luck
She'll start
#580
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Originally Posted by Mr M
The dechoke procedure is cranking the engine with the accellerator pedal FULLY depressed. Don't worry, the engine won't start. This cuts the fuel supply, so that by cranking over the engine with the starter motor you are pumping any excess fuel in the engine out the exhaust.
Also for the real cold guys, may want to try a dipstick block heater. What happens is the oil gets so cold the OMP has difficulty pumping the oil into the rotor chambers. This results in little or no sealing of the chambers while cranking.
Do you guys with 8's have the sub-zero starting assist system that was installed on the Rx-7's? Hopefully not--everyone I know of removed the useless system. What this system does is injects glycol (yes radiator type coolant) into the chamber to help seal up the rotors for good compression.
An alternative to this is to use 2-stroke premix oil in your gas, 6-8 oz per fillup should do it. This will insure you have good sealing for startup--even if it's cold and has extra fuel.
Here's a thread that talks about premix: https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...&highlight=OMP
And yea, the bigger battery would help too, higher cranking speed = more compression for starting.
HTH,
Scott
#581
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Originally Posted by rx8cited
Sorry to hear that ........ are most of your trips short? What version flash did you have before the upgrade - to the new M I presume?
with 30k miles ?
with 30k miles ?
However, last week I took out the eManage and run the car stock since. Maybe that cause the engine to run too rich and carbon build up too fast?
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ps: If it's not because of the free service, I would of replaced the plugs already :D
#582
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Originally Posted by seikx8
Out of 30k miles of trouble free, I finally joined the flood club! When I took out the spark plugs, they look very bad; no wonder it's easily flooded. :D
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Black Smoke with Flooding?
Originally Posted by RX8MN
New member here! I've had my 8 for a year, never flooded, but today was the day! Did the following as recommended: foot on the floor, crank for 10 sec. wait for 15 then repeat for a total of 4 times, then foot off gas, crank... started right up. An awful stink of gas out the exhaust, but otherwise no lasting problem. The car has M flash, but that doesn't make you immune.
Out of curiosity, did you have lots of black smoke?
Rare photo of two flooded 8s simultaneously starting in the distance. Probably had the spark plugs replaced later in the day.
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Originally Posted by RotaMotion
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Rare photo of two flooded 8s simultaneously starting in the distance. Probably had the spark plugs replaced later in the day.
Rare photo of two flooded 8s simultaneously starting in the distance. Probably had the spark plugs replaced later in the day.
#586
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I tried it all.....ah well. The car is on the way to the dealer right now. The dumb @$$ tow truck driver was about to tow it with a wheel lift truck not knowing that u NEED a flat bed. I didnt know either till the manager of the towing company called to tell him to stop. Thank god or else it coulda got messy. I am waiting for the car to be ready now.... Just another member of the flood club i guess. Oh well, i still adore this car :p
#587
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Originally Posted by AdictiveRx
I tried it all.....ah well. The car is on the way to the dealer right now. The dumb @$$ tow truck driver was about to tow it with a wheel lift truck not knowing that u NEED a flat bed. I didnt know either till the manager of the towing company called to tell him to stop. Thank god or else it coulda got messy. I am waiting for the car to be ready now.... Just another member of the flood club i guess. Oh well, i still adore this car :p
#588
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Originally Posted by msrecant
Part of the dealer de-flood procedure is to check for damage to the Catalytic Converter and a couple of other issues. You may still want to get the dealer to do those checks.
FWIW
FWIW
as for cutting off the fuel, i just pulled the fuel relay.
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Originally Posted by Slims8
Ok, I must be stupid... Why MUST you tow it on a Flat Bed? I've had mine towed on a lift once, a flat bed twice, behind a truck twice, and pushed it once. None seemed to hurt it anymore that it alread was.
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#590
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Oh, trust me, I don't do it on a Saturday afternoon when I have nothing else to do. It's just been broke down too many times. Towing it off the street, then to the dealership, then to another dealership, then driving it for a while. Then back to the dealership, then towing it home from the dealership to the Apartment Complex, then push it in the driveway. It's not over yet. :Puts Head Through Wall:
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There's no such thing as an RX8 that won't flood. If it hasn't happened to you yet it's just a matter of time. It's gonna get ya -- oh yes it is!!! I'm thinking I'm up around 5 or 6 times in 13K+ miles.
I can't imagine Ford will put up with the tow bills on these things too much longer before they kill this engine once again. I don't think there's a way around this. If they don't flood the engine with gas upon start-up, there's no way to seal off the rotors.
Make sure you have a GREAT battery charger on hand with an 'engine start' mode. Keep your cranks to short 10 second bursts with at least 30 second rest periods. Eventually (20 minutes seems about the normal) she'll start to kick over for you.
I love the car -- I love the rotary engine. The gas mileage wouldn't suck if I kept the RPM's down, but I'm not going to!
We've got heated seats -- I think we need heated chambers so this @#$%doesn't happen anymore! I drive 4 vehicles routinely -- only the RX8 is twisted (warm up REQUIRED) and even that doesn't ALWAYS work...
Tinkerer
I can't imagine Ford will put up with the tow bills on these things too much longer before they kill this engine once again. I don't think there's a way around this. If they don't flood the engine with gas upon start-up, there's no way to seal off the rotors.
Make sure you have a GREAT battery charger on hand with an 'engine start' mode. Keep your cranks to short 10 second bursts with at least 30 second rest periods. Eventually (20 minutes seems about the normal) she'll start to kick over for you.
I love the car -- I love the rotary engine. The gas mileage wouldn't suck if I kept the RPM's down, but I'm not going to!
We've got heated seats -- I think we need heated chambers so this @#$%doesn't happen anymore! I drive 4 vehicles routinely -- only the RX8 is twisted (warm up REQUIRED) and even that doesn't ALWAYS work...
Tinkerer
#592
I never had a single problem. 14K miles on it, and every time I warm it up COMPLETELY. When I shut it off, I rev to 6000rpms, and kill it at 6000rpms, do not wait on it to go back to idle...
The car has NEVER been down, never been to the deralership since new... I guess I am lucky
The car has NEVER been down, never been to the deralership since new... I guess I am lucky
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They say it's flooded.
The dealer called today and said the car was flooded. They said they reflashed the reflashed flash again!
You just have to love it. It will be interesting to see what difference there will be with the car this time when I get it back. They want to keep the car overnight and try and start it again in the morning to make sure it doesn't do the same thing again.... Seems like there should be a more definative way to determine if the flash was the problem...
I will update you when I finally get it back.
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I will update you when I finally get it back.
#595
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Originally Posted by zoom44
you might get the new higher cca battery out of this. there have been otehr reports of cars sitting for 5 days or so and then not starting. most i think were low batteries. the flash you got may have been the buggy on ebut i dont think it has anything to do realy wiht your no-start.
#597
Today I joined the flood club, but.......
thanx to this board I was able to start it without a tow. I did the start with the gas pedal fully depressed a few times and it finally kicked. I had to charge battery with jumper cables because i really drained it. The reason I flooded is the same as we have all been warned.........started it to take out CD and shut it a minute later.
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Sorry to hear about the Flooding. You should have your car checked out at the shop though.
But for future reference, you can remove cd's without starting the car or even using the key. Most cars will let you eject cd's that way.
Takashi 7
But for future reference, you can remove cd's without starting the car or even using the key. Most cars will let you eject cd's that way.
Takashi 7
#599
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Lucky the 8 wasn't out of commission.
Takashi ... as far as I'm aware our 8's REQUIRE the key to get the CD player working ... just turn the key to the "ON" position though.
Takashi ... as far as I'm aware our 8's REQUIRE the key to get the CD player working ... just turn the key to the "ON" position though.
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Don't know about the 6 disk changers...but if you only have a single cd stereo you can just push the eject button without the key even in the ignition and the cd will pop out.