View Poll Results: Have you flooded your Renesis?
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#1276
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Originally Posted by FuryCustoms
well, honestly my questions are all retorical because I know most of the answers to them. Im just tired of people who are doing all the wrong things with these cars comming to me and complaining about them. Yeah, mazda made many mistakes, but problems with these cars can be avoided. I just bought a 05, but a guy I work with has a 04 with 120k miles on it. And it has never flooded or failed to start. But I suppose thats because we work on them... sorry, long day...
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i have not managed to flood mine.... 48k miles... and yes i run it.... hard very hard...
mazda made mistakes where???? and the 04 with 120k miles we need to know his or her name...
that is impressive... i have managed to get 48k on mine in 2 yr and 3 months...
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#1277
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so fury, spell it out for us: what is it that owners are doing that is causing this problem? All finger pointing at Mazda aside...I'm not trying to start a fight, I am wondering wth I can be doing differently to not screw up my car.
#1278
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Originally Posted by FuryCustoms
....The only way to prevent this is no cold shut offs (flooding more than once or twice probily means its too late), driving the heck out of the car regulary letting it rev up into the rpm band which means no grandma driving.....
Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy taking it to redline in a few gears at least once a day. It is the funnest option!
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well, mx6 Im not saying to redline the car everytime you shift. However, it needs to be wound up quite often while driving. Its a high rpm engine and thats how it is designed to be driven. For example: I went on a test drive with a customer the other day. The way he was driving the car was like he was driving a diesel truck engine. Everytime he shifted, and he floored it several times by the way, he would shift by 2500, 3000 rpm. Now like I told him, you have 6000 more rpm here to play with. If traffic warrants a 3000 rpm shift, then you have no choice but I wouldnt shift sooner. However once you get the chance take it atleast to 4 or 5 k. Also, the only type of driving mazda will void your warranty for is racing, purpose over reving (past 9K more than 1 or 2 times), and they will no longer warranty an engine for lack of oil (the seals on the rear rotor will burn up and loose all compression if you run them will low oil). Now the stock clutches arnt worth a damn so you might as well save up for an aftermarket unit. And the 6 spds have some issues. If you "bang" your gears often while shifting, the dog teeth on the brass syncronizers will easily chew them selves up mainly for second gear. Mazda doesnt seem to have a problem with use repairing them under warranty. Also, FOR THOSE INTERESTED, mazda has updated the design of the shift forks. The old aluminum shift forks were cracking around the casting for the control rod because is was so thin. Well, the new ones are much beefier, exspecially around the control rod end so they should hold up much better.
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Originally Posted by RedSheDevil
so fury, spell it out for us: what is it that owners are doing that is causing this problem? All finger pointing at Mazda aside...I'm not trying to start a fight, I am wondering wth I can be doing differently to not screw up my car.
#1281
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I have an M/T and gladly wind it up (I've been told I have a tendency to drive like an a$$hat). I also only shut it off cold once when she was new, I dechoked and learned the hard way about the cold shut downs.
The flooding that required a flatbed trip to the dealer was a puzzle ... no cold shut down.
The flooding that required a flatbed trip to the dealer was a puzzle ... no cold shut down.
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did they do anything as to correct the issue? Your profile says that you have an o4 and their are several pcm calibrations that have been released "trying" to correct the issue. Did they put plugs in it? If not, as sad as it seems the only thing we will due when we get an rx-8 no start is put a jump box on it and dechoke it until it cranks, it can be tricky if it is badly flooded. If it wont crank then, we pull the plugs out and spin it over with the fuel cut off for a while, then put the plugs back in and try again. If that dont do it we check the compression and normally at this point there are several peaks with low or no compression. Thats normally when we call tech line and order an engine.
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Oh man, the sorriest thing is that I believe it. Screw the TSB, we'll get this f__ker goin a whole lot easier. Yeah. Spinning a rotary like that, with all of the lubrication washed out of it, then you loose compression - gee, I wonder why? Then you order a new engine to replace the one you just f__ked-up. Good one, hah! I just pitty the Fayettevile RX-8 owners who's engine didn't need replacement after one or two of those... Nothing personal mind you, you just do as you're told...
#1284
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Originally Posted by FuryCustoms
did they do anything as to correct the issue? Your profile says that you have an o4 and their are several pcm calibrations that have been released "trying" to correct the issue. Did they put plugs in it? If not, as sad as it seems the only thing we will due when we get an rx-8 no start is put a jump box on it and dechoke it until it cranks, it can be tricky if it is badly flooded. If it wont crank then, we pull the plugs out and spin it over with the fuel cut off for a while, then put the plugs back in and try again. If that dont do it we check the compression and normally at this point there are several peaks with low or no compression. Thats normally when we call tech line and order an engine.
I am at R flash, new plugs, new starter, newish battery. I need to take her in for the constant brake squeal again (the dealer told me if it is still happening in 6 mos, that they would replace the rotors). I love this car, but sheesh, I've never had serious issues like this with a car before.
I don't know what I will do once the warranty runs out....
Any advice on the flood? Or the brakes, for that matter?
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Originally Posted by RedSheDevil
First time I brought her in for hard starts. They replaced starter and plugs. The battery had already been replaced. Second time she was flat-bedded in and they claimed the starter was never replaced (different out of town dealer that I don't like). They said they also replaced starter and plugs. When I asked about the WAY different starter sound (from after the first replacement) the idiot at the second dealership claimed that would be because of a reflash.
I am at R flash, new plugs, new starter, newish battery. I need to take her in for the constant brake squeal again (the dealer told me if it is still happening in 6 mos, that they would replace the rotors). I love this car, but sheesh, I've never had serious issues like this with a car before.
I don't know what I will do once the warranty runs out....
Any advice on the flood? Or the brakes, for that matter?
I am at R flash, new plugs, new starter, newish battery. I need to take her in for the constant brake squeal again (the dealer told me if it is still happening in 6 mos, that they would replace the rotors). I love this car, but sheesh, I've never had serious issues like this with a car before.
I don't know what I will do once the warranty runs out....
Any advice on the flood? Or the brakes, for that matter?
#1286
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Originally Posted by CERAMICSEAL
My guess would be one of two things with your flooding: Either the battery you have is no good (Not fully charged) or you have less than optimal compression. How many miles are presently on yours?
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Originally Posted by RedSheDevil
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Is there a way for me to check the terminals so I can go in there and not let them push me around (even tho my local dealer is really quite good to me).
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Originally Posted by RedSheDevil
Is there a way for me to check the terminals so I can go in there and not let them push me around (even tho my local dealer is really quite good to me).
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Although I've been religous about performing the 3k rev for 10 seconds prior to [cold engine] shutdown, I forgot to after washing my car this weekend. No problem starting up the next morning. I do have the new starter and sparkplugs. Just FYI (although I'll still do the 3k thing).
#1292
So basically if you park on the street and need to move it to the other side to avoid pay a parking fine due to time changes, you take a chance that your car may not start. Not user friendly....
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Originally Posted by mcsetech
So basically if you park on the street and need to move it to the other side to avoid pay a parking fine due to time changes, you take a chance that your car may not start. Not user friendly....
- Let engine warm up to operating temp or for 5 minutes
- rev to 3K RPM and hold fo 10 seconds
- let engine return to idle
- turn off car
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Originally Posted by msrecant
There are a variety of factors that go into it (updates, battery condition, ambient temp, phase of the moon, etc) but in general, yes, if you start the car and move it a short distance for ANY reason you should follow the Mazda "short trip" procedure in your manual/QuickTips otherwise you risk a flood.
- Let engine warm up to operating temp or for 5 minutes
- rev to 3K RPM and hold fo 10 seconds
- let engine return to idle
- turn off car
- Let engine warm up to operating temp or for 5 minutes
- rev to 3K RPM and hold fo 10 seconds
- let engine return to idle
- turn off car
I have a smaller battery than stock that is LESS powerful, I have the normal "old" style starter and plugs, and zero updates. I have never once flooded the car, and have even tried.
What are you people doing? Seriously... This should be a healthy perfectly running rotary, and yet you still find ways to flood it?
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Originally Posted by dDuB
What are you people doing? Seriously... This should be a healthy perfectly running rotary, and yet you still find ways to flood it?
However, there are some people (like you) who do short trips all the time and never flood. Others forget and turn the engine off cold just once and it floods. There seem to be a number of variables related to flooding including the individual characteristics of a given car.
I believe that pre-2006 ATs (4 port engine) are more prone to flooding, but any RX-8 can flood (see the thread referenced above). The latest updates (battery, starter and leading plugs) dramatically reduced the chance of not being able to recover from a flood, but there are still a veryl few instances where that didn't protect the owner.
Last edited by msrecant; 07-04-2006 at 04:45 PM.
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Originally Posted by msrecant
Many 2nd and 3rd generation RX-7 owners are also very familiar with flooding and view the rotary as needing a little extra attention, including not shutting it off cold.
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Originally Posted by dDuB
Many FB/FC/FD guys are familiar with flooding AFTER they've put significant miles and/or wear on the car. IE low compression or have not treated it properly.
You can go to the above referenced thread and make your own judgement.
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Originally Posted by msrecant
As I recall, the posts I have read on this forum, from FB/FC/FD owners talking about flooding, were not qualified to indicate that flooding was only associated with poor engine condition. However, this is second hand info coming through me and I do not have direct experience with flooding RX-7s.
You can go to the above referenced thread and make your own judgement.
You can go to the above referenced thread and make your own judgement.
RX7's do not have flooding issues unless they have been mistreated, not maintained properly, or have high mile and low compression engines.
And why are you linking the the same thread we're posting in now? Do you think I'm stupid? Yes I've read this, and I've watched the Mazda information DVD about flooding and I still think something else is going wrong here.