Just found out my CAT is bad....
05-02-2010 | 09:15 PM
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thank you RIWWP i am going to try this out. My car is just over 80k now but when i took it was under 80k so if i bring my paperwork that states it was below 80k before i should be fine right? Should i take it to the same place or a different place?
05-03-2010 | 11:37 AM
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ok bad news again so i called the number in the post you posted and the lady said that if you have a CA car then you only have the CA warranty. She said it's just telling you what you do have if you have a federal car.
05-19-2010 | 10:07 AM
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I know this has been 2 weeks ago, however:
Did you ever pose this question to Mazda North American Operations with a simple phone call?
If it is being refused warranty coverage erroneously then that dealer could face at least some sort of repremand.
Paul.
Did you ever pose this question to Mazda North American Operations with a simple phone call?
If it is being refused warranty coverage erroneously then that dealer could face at least some sort of repremand.
Paul.
05-19-2010 | 09:05 PM
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05-20-2010 | 05:58 AM
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I have 79000 on my car. Is there like a warranty on the cat from the dealership or something? I took it to a mazda dealer and they told me this? Were they suppose to fix it covered under some kind of warranty? I have a separate warranty but they told me it does not cover it.
05-20-2010 | 10:20 AM
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Thanks guys ive been going through this for sometime and im getting tired of it.
05-20-2010 | 12:13 PM
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How old are you? You were given the phone # yesterday & you are still asking about it. What is so hard about calling Mazda NA & just telling them what is going on? So many people have already tried to help you on this.
05-20-2010 | 12:22 PM
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No offense SGT, but you need to take a bit more of a personal stake in this.
10 PMs that I still have record of between May 3rd and May 7th, trying to help you out with advice and information on this, and most of what I was telling you in the end was getting repetitive and stuff that you can do yourself in research.
2 weeks later and you still aren't really doing anything....
If you aren't willing to do the legwork and actually make the phone calls, then it doesn't matter what we will suggest that you do. At some point, you are going to have to actually do something. Even if that is just eventually calling a tow truck for your 8 or walking home.
10 PMs that I still have record of between May 3rd and May 7th, trying to help you out with advice and information on this, and most of what I was telling you in the end was getting repetitive and stuff that you can do yourself in research.
2 weeks later and you still aren't really doing anything....
If you aren't willing to do the legwork and actually make the phone calls, then it doesn't matter what we will suggest that you do. At some point, you are going to have to actually do something. Even if that is just eventually calling a tow truck for your 8 or walking home.
05-20-2010 | 12:34 PM
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1. Actually I have been doing work calling around different dealerships, trying to find a cat to buy, figuring out which cat i should buy and everything.
2. As stated before everyone in this world is not a car person, some people don't know about car parts and stuff like that.
3. I was just trying to figure out what other people have said so i could use it as well as what im going to say.
4. Don't really understand why people are asking how old I am lol people get ridiculous on forums sometimes and it's funny to me.
5. My car is running im just asking help because I don't want to cause more damage to my car.
People on here know i have been looking around everyday for a cat to buy or some help. I don't get how people can tell me I have done nothing when you don't even have any idea on what I have been doing.
How old are you? You were given the phone # yesterday & you are still asking about it. What is so hard about calling Mazda NA & just telling them what is going on? So many people have already tried to help you on this.
and to this, hey well you know I do have a life and a job so I don't have all day to do this, I stated I would be calling today. Yes I do ask alot of questions if you have a problem with it then don't answer them plain and simple. I just got this car so i figured you guys know way about it then i do.
Anyways thanks to everyone that has helped me so far, will update with results once I ask
2. As stated before everyone in this world is not a car person, some people don't know about car parts and stuff like that.
3. I was just trying to figure out what other people have said so i could use it as well as what im going to say.
4. Don't really understand why people are asking how old I am lol people get ridiculous on forums sometimes and it's funny to me.
5. My car is running im just asking help because I don't want to cause more damage to my car.
People on here know i have been looking around everyday for a cat to buy or some help. I don't get how people can tell me I have done nothing when you don't even have any idea on what I have been doing.
How old are you? You were given the phone # yesterday & you are still asking about it. What is so hard about calling Mazda NA & just telling them what is going on? So many people have already tried to help you on this.
and to this, hey well you know I do have a life and a job so I don't have all day to do this, I stated I would be calling today. Yes I do ask alot of questions if you have a problem with it then don't answer them plain and simple. I just got this car so i figured you guys know way about it then i do.
Anyways thanks to everyone that has helped me so far, will update with results once I ask
05-20-2010 | 01:31 PM
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Just to make things clear....
1. You have been driving your 8 for damn near a month with a bad cat.
2. You are given several options:
2a. Call the dealership (done, got no where)
2b. Call a lawyer (most will give you a free consult if you have a direct/pointed question. ie: Is federal law covering the cat or not?)
2c. Call Mazda NA
2d. Several replacement options have been mentioned along with pros and cons for them.
Man up and take care of this ****. The longer you drive with a bad cat, the greater damage you WILL DO to your 8. It should take all of 1 hour to get your answers to the options listed (2a-2d above) unless you are more than a few crayons short of a full box; in which case you should sell the 8 and take public transportation.
1. You have been driving your 8 for damn near a month with a bad cat.
2. You are given several options:
2a. Call the dealership (done, got no where)
2b. Call a lawyer (most will give you a free consult if you have a direct/pointed question. ie: Is federal law covering the cat or not?)
2c. Call Mazda NA
2d. Several replacement options have been mentioned along with pros and cons for them.
Man up and take care of this ****. The longer you drive with a bad cat, the greater damage you WILL DO to your 8. It should take all of 1 hour to get your answers to the options listed (2a-2d above) unless you are more than a few crayons short of a full box; in which case you should sell the 8 and take public transportation.
05-20-2010 | 02:07 PM
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Man I feel for your pain, I took my 8 in for service and they told me that my cat was bad..but they also said that they will fix it at no cost under the emissions warranty. Im taking mine in tomorrow morning and was promise to have it back by 130pm.. my process only took me a week, sorry you havent being able to get your problem in order. But Good Luck
05-20-2010 | 05:34 PM
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Man I feel for your pain, I took my 8 in for service and they told me that my cat was bad..but they also said that they will fix it at no cost under the emissions warranty. Im taking mine in tomorrow morning and was promise to have it back by 130pm.. my process only took me a week, sorry you havent being able to get your problem in order. But Good Luck
Just to make things clear....
1. You have been driving your 8 for damn near a month with a bad cat.
2. You are given several options:
2a. Call the dealership (done, got no where)
2b. Call a lawyer (most will give you a free consult if you have a direct/pointed question. ie: Is federal law covering the cat or not?)
2c. Call Mazda NA
2d. Several replacement options have been mentioned along with pros and cons for them.
Man up and take care of this ****. The longer you drive with a bad cat, the greater damage you WILL DO to your 8. It should take all of 1 hour to get your answers to the options listed (2a-2d above) unless you are more than a few crayons short of a full box; in which case you should sell the 8 and take public transportation.
1. You have been driving your 8 for damn near a month with a bad cat.
2. You are given several options:
2a. Call the dealership (done, got no where)
2b. Call a lawyer (most will give you a free consult if you have a direct/pointed question. ie: Is federal law covering the cat or not?)
2c. Call Mazda NA
2d. Several replacement options have been mentioned along with pros and cons for them.
Man up and take care of this ****. The longer you drive with a bad cat, the greater damage you WILL DO to your 8. It should take all of 1 hour to get your answers to the options listed (2a-2d above) unless you are more than a few crayons short of a full box; in which case you should sell the 8 and take public transportation.
I didn't bring this thread back to life might I add someone else did and did it to help me out which I thank him for that. I just got advised yesterday to call Mazda NA.
Anyways aside from all this flaming im receiving update on the situation I called Mazda NA and they took all my information and I told them everything and they are calling the dealership I took my car to and will call me back with an update tomorrow.
05-21-2010 | 05:50 PM
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Those schmucks at the dealership know the law and they are deliberately trying to rip you off. They should be prosecuted. I doubt Mazda NA will try to get away with that BS, but if they do, contact California Air Resources Board directly. Hell, call 'em anyway so they ream these dealers a new one. You are covered by the 8/80,000 mile cat warranty. The CA emissions law gives you MORE coverage rights than the Fed law, not less!
http://car-reviews.suite101.com/arti...sions_warranty
http://www.epa.gov/obd/pubs/420f09048.pdf
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05-22-2010 | 08:18 AM
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Finally!
Those schmucks at the dealership know the law and they are deliberately trying to rip you off. They should be prosecuted. I doubt Mazda NA will try to get away with that BS, but if they do, contact California Air Resources Board directly. Hell, call 'em anyway so they ream these dealers a new one. You are covered by the 8/80,000 mile cat warranty. The CA emissions law gives you MORE coverage rights than the Fed law, not less!
http://car-reviews.suite101.com/arti...sions_warranty
http://www.epa.gov/obd/pubs/420f09048.pdf
Those schmucks at the dealership know the law and they are deliberately trying to rip you off. They should be prosecuted. I doubt Mazda NA will try to get away with that BS, but if they do, contact California Air Resources Board directly. Hell, call 'em anyway so they ream these dealers a new one. You are covered by the 8/80,000 mile cat warranty. The CA emissions law gives you MORE coverage rights than the Fed law, not less!
http://car-reviews.suite101.com/arti...sions_warranty
http://www.epa.gov/obd/pubs/420f09048.pdf
But anyways drum roll please...................
The dealership was wrong and they are going to replace my cat for me and refund me my $100 thank god. I would like to thank everyone that helped me along this lengthily journey lol. Finally this issue is resolved and you guys don't have to worry about me anymore lol. If I cause an inconvenience to anyone I apologize I was just trying to get as much help as I could and get the situation dealt with.
05-22-2010 | 09:24 AM
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From prior posts in the thread:
Err... blah blah something about US federally mandated warranty on catalytic converters for 80k miles blah blah?
http://www.epa.gov/oms/consumer/warr95fs.txt
http://www.epa.gov/oms/consumer/warr95fs.txt
Check to see if your dealership does state emissions testing. If not, then go to a place and have them run a test to verify your cat is bad (both OBD and emissions test).
Hell, it doesn't even have to pass (from http://www.epa.gov/oms/consumer/warr95fs.txt ):
"What If the Dealer Claims That My Vehicle Can Pass the I/M Test
Without Repair?
The law does not require that you fail every I/M test in order to
trigger the warranty. If a valid test shows that you have an emission
problem or there is a defective part, you should get it fixed, while
your vehicle is still within the warranty period. Otherwise, you
might fail a future test because of the same problem and have to pay
for the repair yourself. If you doubt your original test results or
the dealer's results or diagnosis, you can always get another opinion
from another dealer or your I/M program."
This FAQ list might help, too:
http://www.epa.gov/obd/questions.htm
It is the manufacturer that is responsible for the warranty work, ergo the dealership that has to perform it.
Seriously, print out and read the text file in entirety and take it with you if you must.
Hell, it doesn't even have to pass (from http://www.epa.gov/oms/consumer/warr95fs.txt ):
"What If the Dealer Claims That My Vehicle Can Pass the I/M Test
Without Repair?
The law does not require that you fail every I/M test in order to
trigger the warranty. If a valid test shows that you have an emission
problem or there is a defective part, you should get it fixed, while
your vehicle is still within the warranty period. Otherwise, you
might fail a future test because of the same problem and have to pay
for the repair yourself. If you doubt your original test results or
the dealer's results or diagnosis, you can always get another opinion
from another dealer or your I/M program."
This FAQ list might help, too:
http://www.epa.gov/obd/questions.htm
It is the manufacturer that is responsible for the warranty work, ergo the dealership that has to perform it.
Seriously, print out and read the text file in entirety and take it with you if you must.
all that means is that your car has a slightly different tune. one that will meet the tougher california emissions standards.
it doesnt matter wtf cali law says, Federal law says 8yr/80K. Federal trumps state, PERIOD
there may be some unseen/understood reason why CARB has that in wording, or it may just be redundant and stupid politicians. But regardless California is NOT special, they are still under Federal law. 8yr/80K
it doesnt matter wtf cali law says, Federal law says 8yr/80K. Federal trumps state, PERIOD
there may be some unseen/understood reason why CARB has that in wording, or it may just be redundant and stupid politicians. But regardless California is NOT special, they are still under Federal law. 8yr/80K
straight from the source
http://nsdi.epa.gov/otaq/consumer/warr95fs.txt
A. PERFORMANCE WARRANTY
The Performance Warranty covers repairs which are required during
the first 2 years or 24,000 miles of vehicle use because the vehicle
failed an emission test. Specified major emission control components
are covered for the first 8 years or 80,000 miles. If you are a
resident of an area with an Inspection and Maintenance (I/M) program
that meets federal guidelines, you are eligible for this warranty
protection provided that:
* Your car or light-duty truck fails an approved emissions test;
and
* Your vehicle is less than 2 years old and has less than 24,000
miles (up to 8 years/80,000 miles for certain components); and
* Your state or local government requires that you repair the
vehicle; and
* The test failure does not result from misuse of the vehicle or a
failure to follow the manufacturers' written maintenance
instructions; and
* You present the vehicle to a warranty-authorized manufacturer
representative, along with evidence of the emission test failure,
during the warranty period.
http://nsdi.epa.gov/otaq/consumer/warr95fs.txt
A. PERFORMANCE WARRANTY
The Performance Warranty covers repairs which are required during
the first 2 years or 24,000 miles of vehicle use because the vehicle
failed an emission test. Specified major emission control components
are covered for the first 8 years or 80,000 miles. If you are a
resident of an area with an Inspection and Maintenance (I/M) program
that meets federal guidelines, you are eligible for this warranty
protection provided that:
* Your car or light-duty truck fails an approved emissions test;
and
* Your vehicle is less than 2 years old and has less than 24,000
miles (up to 8 years/80,000 miles for certain components); and
* Your state or local government requires that you repair the
vehicle; and
* The test failure does not result from misuse of the vehicle or a
failure to follow the manufacturers' written maintenance
instructions; and
* You present the vehicle to a warranty-authorized manufacturer
representative, along with evidence of the emission test failure,
during the warranty period.
I have no experience with supercats, so can't really advise you there, however...
You should tsill be under the 8yr 80,000. I know what you are saying, but the CA law does not supercede the federal law.
It just means that for 0 through 70,000 miles, you had it covered under both. For 70,001 to 80,000 miles, you only have it covered under federal.
At no point in any of those links and the texts say that your federal cat warranty is voided and replaced with the CA warranty. So both apply. Think of it like an extended warranty. You have both up to a certain point, then one drops and the other keeps going.
If the dealership refuses, call a lawyer, I'm sure you can find one that would happily fight it for you. It's a cake walk for a lawyer.
You should tsill be under the 8yr 80,000. I know what you are saying, but the CA law does not supercede the federal law.
It just means that for 0 through 70,000 miles, you had it covered under both. For 70,001 to 80,000 miles, you only have it covered under federal.
At no point in any of those links and the texts say that your federal cat warranty is voided and replaced with the CA warranty. So both apply. Think of it like an extended warranty. You have both up to a certain point, then one drops and the other keeps going.
If the dealership refuses, call a lawyer, I'm sure you can find one that would happily fight it for you. It's a cake walk for a lawyer.
For this type of case, I doubt you would have to pay a lawyer...
But, I am on the the opposite coast, so no CA law here to worry about.
However read this: http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/warranty.pdf
That's from CA's ARB site, and pretty clearly states that Federal law still covers to 80k. They overlap, they do not cancel out.
Print it out and bring it to the dealer.
But, I am on the the opposite coast, so no CA law here to worry about.
However read this: http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/warranty.pdf
That's from CA's ARB site, and pretty clearly states that Federal law still covers to 80k. They overlap, they do not cancel out.
Print it out and bring it to the dealer.
05-22-2010 | 10:43 AM
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WOW!!! is everyone on forums this sensitive? I said thanks to everyone that helped me plenty of times. Since you want act like this none of those links say that the CA and the federal are both in tact. It says your state or local government requires that you repair the vehicle. It says state OR local government not both. The one this guy posted clearly states it.
This emissions warranty is an addition to the Federal Emissions Warranty and the Federal Emissions Warranty takes precedents over the California Emissions Warranty.
As ive said thanks to everyone im done arguing I dont even see the sense or point in the last post you just posted RIWWP? I told you, you helped me alot I don't even get it man. I did not post that to offend you or anyone else that helped shessh man.
This emissions warranty is an addition to the Federal Emissions Warranty and the Federal Emissions Warranty takes precedents over the California Emissions Warranty.
As ive said thanks to everyone im done arguing I dont even see the sense or point in the last post you just posted RIWWP? I told you, you helped me alot I don't even get it man. I did not post that to offend you or anyone else that helped shessh man.
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05-22-2010 | 10:16 PM
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bad cat
Well after a couple of hours, the mazda dealership took my car and had it back to me in about 5 hours...I seen a incredible difference in the feel of my car..hope you can get your issue taken care of.
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