rickeo

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Ok.. OEM coils installed along with a new set of Magnacore 10mm wires (beefy things!) and brand new NGK Iridium plugs and it seems to be ok.. kinda.

Idle is still iffy but at least it pulls all the way to fuel-cut without throwing any misfire codes.

So, no more misfire codes but the idle still seems like something isn't right, like a plug isn't firing occasionally. Its like it every few seconds skips a beat in the usually smooth purring idle.

Keep in mind, this is with my OEM coils I replaced with the BHR kit, new Magnacore wires and new NGK plugs. The coils were fine AFAIK when I removed them.

Any ideas?

Crap.. come to think of it I still haven't cleaned the ESS.. I keep putting it off because of how much a PITA it is to get to. Could that be the key? lol.. we shall see tomorrow I guess.

Rigoherrera

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OK so I think I may have the same problem here and this seems to be the only thread that helps..lol..my car hits like a wall at 7k rpm and won't go past that, Sep is on all the time and flashes when I hit 7k

I have the bhr ignition, I got new coils already (ngk) swapped my stock ignition coils on as well as wires to see if that would help but nothing, so I have the bhr back on

Mods on car are just the ignition and a AP mid pipe with no cat. Any ideas on what can help? Cell said its a misfire or vacuum leak

Mazurfer

ESS not that hard to get to really and you can get to it enough from the front of the engine bay.
Rag and a safe electircal cleaner(just for good measure) will do the trick.
I would also clean the MAF(with MAF cleaner) and go ahead and clean the throttle body a little as well. For that I used throttle body cleaner and also carefully used a rag.
Clean around where the butterfly valve closes both inside and out. Make sure it can close all the way and isn't sticky.

That's just my two cents.

TeamRX8

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It's just a lean idle pop as the AFR bounces around stoich and normal, some of the other stuff being suggested is possible, but rarely applicable. That's just the way it is unless you have your own tuning ability to address it.

rickeo

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Interesting. I DO have an AccessPort but I haven't installed it yet do to the issue I started this thread for. Once I get my BHR kit back I'll run through MM's custom calibration and we'll see what happens.

Here is a vid of the idle if you're interested. Of course when I go to take this video it doesn't seem that bad...

olddragger

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did you disconnected the battery when you installed the oem coils etc?
Do the 20 step dance?
It sounds like the ecu may just be relearning--your spark is now not as strong and the a/f's have probably changed some?
I think I heard that very slight little irregularity I think you are speaking off when you had the camera very close to the exhaust.
It usually is an ignition thing--but nothing to worry about.

rickeo

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Yes and Yes. The 20 step dance has been done quite a lot since this whole ordeal started. The more I drive it the more I begin to agree there is nothing wrong and I'm just over thinking it.

As of right now my BHR kit is boxed up but getting the time to ship it is my only problem.

Worth asking, but since installing the stock coils, my butt dyno is telling me my car doesn't pull as hard from say 6K RPM onward. Could there be some truth to this?

olddragger

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sure you can say there is truth to it. A good ignition system can mean a difference between 10-15 hp on this engine. I am speaking of the cars that have dynoed with weak oem coils/plugs/wires and then install new ones and re dyno. If your oem coils/plugs are brand new then it doesnt mean that the bhr coil pack will give you a 10-15 hp increase.

rickeo

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I'm still trying to get a minute during the work day to get the ignition shipped out to you. Saturday was a no-go after getting dumped on by all that snow.

olddragger

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you are right Ray--i dont know anything about this product and my comment has no basis in fact. I was only repeating what your advertisement says or doesnt say. Nothing is said in BHR's product description concerning an 10-15HP increase. The only possible relevant thing said is " "owners will feel more mid range torque."
This product probably does give the engine a little more power. If BHR has data to support that then it ought to be shared? Seems like it would be a good thing for the consumer to know.
OD out.

olddragger

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Ok I am back in.
Maybe there is a misunderstanding?
My 10-15 hp dyno difference is in reference to the 8's i have seen dyno and for example have a peak rwhp number of 170hp. Then the owner replaces the oem ignition coils and puts new plugs in does another run---the same day--while still on the roller and their new peak rwhp number is 185.
That's the 10-15 hp difference i am speaking off. I have seen it multiple times.
Now taking that same car that has the 185 rwhp and then placing the BHR ignition kit on it, from what I am understanding that you are saying--will give another 10-15 hp? For a new peak of 195-200 rwhp? I repeat that is what I am thinking that is being said.
I said that probably wouldnt happen. Not that much. I do believe ( but havent actually seen the data) that there may be a slight increase in power? But I do not know that for certain. It MAY give 10-15 hp. IDK but it would seem that if there is than much gain that someone would be posting about it? I sure would.
Look--I am not dissing this ignition system. I think it is probably the best one offered from a vendor for this car. I have always said that and IMHO these are my reasons:

1- it's realibilty--it will last much longer than oem
2- increased driveability---better idle, for some better gas milage and a smoother powerband
3 - very reasonable cost for such a high quality and guranteed product with great customer support. (Thats getting harder and harder to find).
And it sure dang looks good setting there.
Just saying back at ya!

OP sorry this is in your thread man--didnt mean to be having this discussion.

rickeo

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Its quite alright, haha. My issues are pretty much dealt with at this point. My car is running well again minus my BHR Ignition but I know Charles will take care of it once I'm able to ship it to him.

olddragger

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he will--no doubt about that.

Chino_rx3

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So pretty much all the trouble you had was Coils? Good thing they came from BHR . Ive heard great things from that CO.

rickeo

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As far as I can tell, yes. Originally it was just mis-firing but you'll see a few posts up where I left work and I can only assume it failed completely. I'm still unsure because I thought the engine would run without one firing so maybe two failed?

I didn't both testing them any further when I went to install the OEM's because I was just frusterated and wanted my car back so I'll let Charles/BHR figure out what happened.

I have NOTHING bad to say about them or this kit; i'm well aware that even with high-end kits like this.. **** breaks and there is nothing you can do to prevent it.

Rigoherrera

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when u put the oem ones on did it work fine?

rickeo

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^ Didn't really read this thread at all, did you?

TeamRX8

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the #1 rule on RX8Club is that we never read anything on RX8Club!

Rigoherrera

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all the post started confusing me, there was like 3 conversations going on at the same time. just trying to clarify things, no need for insults my good man

and teamrx8, thats rule 2, ill just do rule #1 and ask this whole questions about his problems in a whole new thread and say i never found anything about the subject? :D


but yeah pretty much i was asking that because i replaced my whole ignition and it did nothing

Obsidian

Ok, I just read through this whole thread and I am thinking that I have the same problem. I've been under and over my car for days and done everything suggested to look for problems. Done all the resets and cleaned the ess/maf.
My plugs are barely 2500kms old, but the coils and wires are stock. I have pulled the cat because I did notice that it glows consistently. It's clean inside. I also pulled the plugs last weekend. I did find that the forward trailing plug was black instead of brown, and was a bit loose.
Everything is back in but I still have the inconsistent sputters idle and pull under load. Above 5k it feels like it chuggs or misfires at times, and when it's at any kind of high rpm crusing you can feel the car buck regularly.

Thing is, I get no CELs ever. I also have no wall at 7k rpm, though engine is a lot less responsive and down on power slightly.

I talked to the lead mechanic at the dealership the other day, when conveniently it ran very smooth, but he said he noticed it and recommended that I just replace the wires.
I just got my tax return back and am likely to buy a bhr kit with it but I don't want to spend unnecessarily.

Any recommendations?
2007 6mt, 67500kms, stock everything except plugs.

rickeo

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The BHR kit is never and unnecessary purchase.

dannobre

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How old are your coils?....didn't see that....

Obsidian

Everything on the car is stock except the plugs.
I more meant I want to make sure I figure out the problem before buying the kit. Can't afford to make that purchase and still not have it fixed.

rickeo

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I guess this thread is worth updating. I got my BHR kit back from Charles and everything is great again. Its incredible how much better feeling this kit makes our cars feel. Finally have some power above 7K RPM again.

dannobre

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By "stock"...you mean the coils are the original OEM coils that came on the car...and now have about 70K km on them?

Do you have stock type plugs? IE NGK?