Phish806

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Soem more pics











And what was inside the oil pan:

dannobre

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That's not good

Hard to say what went where and what has gotten screwed up

Guess the engine needs to come out now

Phish806

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Here are some more pics that Steve requested. He is thinking its more then a stacking issue.

VashGS

Also of course throw away that oil filter and never let a fram product touch your ride again.

Phish806

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haha... usually its a purolator. However, i had it layin around and figured since it was getting thrown away after 250 miles i could give it a use.

dannobre

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****......

Mazurfer

Ouch.....just ouch.........might as well pack it all up and ship it back where it came from.
Those pics are kinda horrifying.

Phish806

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yeah i am fearing the worst. gettin sick of this car all together

Phish806

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Well anyone have any ideas on what the issue is or was. Obviously it was not a stacking related issue. We have a theory or two but are still pretty clueless why all this happened?

dannobre

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Why would you say that?

All the bits look like the thrust bearing bits

Phish806

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There are no marks on the spacer. If the bearing got pinched, the spacer would be invloved causing problems with the spacer. It woudl not be in good comditon like that. Aso the front bearing inside the front gear has copper showing and is looking like it has excessive wear for 30 minutes of running. I am hearing that it does not look like a stacking issue but a larger problem

dannobre

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Let us know what you figure out

I fell your pain.....having to pull the engine again really sucks

Phish806

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Steve is goin to call around and get some other shops opinons on what it may be before he has me pull it again. Sounds like its pretty much comin out again.

Its not so much the pullin the motor again. its the gettin the motor to texas from iowa part that i dont like. gas is a bitch

TeamRX8

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When somebody's reputation is on the line seems like they'd be taking care of that for you ....

Phish806

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We have been talking ALL day about this. He has been extremely helpfull with all of this and i could not ask for more. We mentioned pulling the motor and having him look at it to find out the issues. I was told to wait to pull it untill he talks to some people and gets some opinions. If it needs to be pulled, he said he would get the issues figure dout and make things right. We have not really even talked about money or shipping or travel or anything of the sort yet. More concentrating on the issue. If and when its pulled, i am sure different options will be discussed.

TeamRX8

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Ok, I was just responding to your previous gas comment. Sorry for your troubles.

Phish806

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I am right there with ya on people standing behind there work. I dont really see any issues with that at this moment. The girl and i can make a short vacation out of a texas trip i suppose. still curious on what the issue is or could be though.

dannobre

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I still don't see the theory being wrong...without having proper thrust control..the ES will wobble in the bearing race..and cause the bearing to wear very rapidly

Or the ES was bent?

shadycrew31

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This aint normal... That bearing inside the stationary gear is chewed up, the gear side is rotor side, you can see all the scoring that happened in the pic below.



Mine did not do this however I also did not start mine.

In any event the builder should have checked the e-shaft rotors housings etc to ensure that everything was in spec.

If everything is in-spec there is no way something like this can happen. Ultimately it is the builders fault. Getting him to take full ownership will be expensive, and potentially difficult.

If you can get a hold of Mazda Maniac of BHR they are familiar with this type of thing and they may be able to give you some insight.

Good luck man.

Phish806

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We were discussing a bent E shaft also. But, The E shaft is the same one out of my original motor and there was never an issue with it being bent or anything. Motor just blew seals. All three apex seals and a side seal on one rotor to be infact. i dunno, either way yes, everythign should have been checked before the motor was assembled. I know the housigns and rotors were checked, both housings were replaced with new/used housings and the front rotor was replaced also. only thing that may habe been overlooked was the Eshaft. Again, i dunno because i ws not there for the rebuild or doing the rebuild.

We will see what is said tomorrow. I have obviouslyt hrown enough money at this motor and am jsut wanting a workign motor. I thought thats what i had back before. I actually have already had it rebuilt twice by Steve before it was even shipped back. The first build was doen using some seals and that shouldnt have been used, but i told the builder to use the seals anyway. After the motor was built, i changed my mind and had to have the secon build done before the motor was even shipped back. I take full responsibility for needing the second rebuild. Steve even tried to warn me about it before he put the motor together the first time.

Anyway, just venting a little. I have been rather calm and patient with everythign i have done with this car, seeing how it's been down for a year and a half.

Phish806

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A ntoher thought besides the e shaft was maybe there was nto proper oil lubrication for a short time in the motor. The bearing never got oil to it for a few minutes causing ti to get hot and attach to the washer. and this beign the aftermath. That was a theory untill we saw the other bearign inside the gear. Now its hard to tell what the issue is.

shadycrew31

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That may be possible but I highly doubt it, as you had ample time to get the system pressurized with the bad starts.

There is a possibility that he used the incorrect rotor in the front housing. Each rotor is weighted and needs to be in the appropriate housings.

That said I am not sure what damage would have been caused if this was overlooked/forgotten.

Phish806

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I do know that the front rotor was the one that was changed and swapped out . . . dont know about weights, i know i just bought a used one offline. Could be a possibility i suppose.

dannobre

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The rotor weights wouldn't have been a factor at the kind of RPM's you were at ..

They are a big factor in 9K rpm running for long periods of time..but it is unlikely that it would have been a factor that quickly

I doubt that we will know until the whole engine is pulled apart...and even then it might still not be apparent exactly what happenned

MazdaManiac

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Which method worked for you?

It was totally a "stacking" issue.
The motor was simply assembled with the spacer slipped out of place.
Your failure looks exactly like every other failure of this type.
Simply replace the front stationary gear bearing and the chewed-up roller bearing and plate and call it a day.