Power Loss/Stalling
11-08-2007, 07:33 AM
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Power Loss/Stalling
So I searched for this a bit, but the only thing I was able to find that described my problem was this:
This is exactly what my car started doing this morning. From a stop, every time I started to accelerate the car started bogging down while the CEL flashed, and twice it stalled. Once I got the RPM's up it was fine until I came to another stop.
Any ideas? Can't get the car into the dealership until Monday, should I even be driving it?
e: After reading some more, looks like I might be part of the "I need a new engine" club
Any ideas? Can't get the car into the dealership until Monday, should I even be driving it?
e: After reading some more, looks like I might be part of the "I need a new engine" club
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So I searched for this a bit, but the only thing I was able to find that described my problem was this:
This is exactly what my car started doing this morning. From a stop, every time I started to accelerate the car started bogging down while the CEL flashed, and twice it stalled. Once I got the RPM's up it was fine until I came to another stop.
Any ideas? Can't get the car into the dealership until Monday, should I even be driving it?
e: After reading some more, looks like I might be part of the "I need a new engine" club
This is exactly what my car started doing this morning. From a stop, every time I started to accelerate the car started bogging down while the CEL flashed, and twice it stalled. Once I got the RPM's up it was fine until I came to another stop.
Any ideas? Can't get the car into the dealership until Monday, should I even be driving it?
e: After reading some more, looks like I might be part of the "I need a new engine" club
11-08-2007, 08:51 AM
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11-12-2007, 07:15 AM
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Update!
Cranked it up for the first time since Thursday morning and drove it to the dealership today. Holy ****, what an awful 3 miles. It's now burning oil, backfiring, losing even more power from a stop, smoking (from the oil), and generally driving like ****.
Cranked it up for the first time since Thursday morning and drove it to the dealership today. Holy ****, what an awful 3 miles. It's now burning oil, backfiring, losing even more power from a stop, smoking (from the oil), and generally driving like ****.
11-12-2007, 04:02 PM
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So they called:
I'm being told all 4 coils ($420), all the wires ($377), and all the plugs ($193) are bad and need to be swapped. On this one I'm being told I'm screwed and it's not covered under warranty.
I'm also being told the intake manifold is somewhat hosed, and they might be able to fix it for $230, but if they have to replace it it's going to be $4K. They said this one might be covered under warranty, but they won't know until tomorrow when they call Mazda (closed today for the holiday).
Fuuuuuuuck, I can't afford this
e: oh, and another $350 of random **** that I've had done but they wanted argue about not having done at a dealer (tranny fluid, etc)
I'm being told all 4 coils ($420), all the wires ($377), and all the plugs ($193) are bad and need to be swapped. On this one I'm being told I'm screwed and it's not covered under warranty.
I'm also being told the intake manifold is somewhat hosed, and they might be able to fix it for $230, but if they have to replace it it's going to be $4K. They said this one might be covered under warranty, but they won't know until tomorrow when they call Mazda (closed today for the holiday).
Fuuuuuuuck, I can't afford this
e: oh, and another $350 of random **** that I've had done but they wanted argue about not having done at a dealer (tranny fluid, etc)
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11-12-2007, 04:11 PM
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So they called:
I'm being told all 4 coils ($420), all the wires ($377), and all the plugs ($193) are bad and need to be swapped. On this one I'm being told I'm screwed and it's not covered under warranty.
I'm also being told the intake manifold is somewhat hosed, and they might be able to fix it for $230, but if they have to replace it it's going to be $4K. They said this one might be covered under warranty, but they won't know until tomorrow when they call Mazda (closed today for the holiday).
Fuuuuuuuck, I can't afford this
I'm being told all 4 coils ($420), all the wires ($377), and all the plugs ($193) are bad and need to be swapped. On this one I'm being told I'm screwed and it's not covered under warranty.
I'm also being told the intake manifold is somewhat hosed, and they might be able to fix it for $230, but if they have to replace it it's going to be $4K. They said this one might be covered under warranty, but they won't know until tomorrow when they call Mazda (closed today for the holiday).
Fuuuuuuuck, I can't afford this
New Mazda coils are $30 each
New Mazda OEM Plug Wire Set $57
New Mazda OEM plug Set $110
(Racing Beat Ultra Wires $95 complete set)
11-12-2007, 05:48 PM
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Yay for the gf
11-13-2007, 07:33 AM
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I figure I'll just keep updating this, incase anyone is interested.
Went in this morning and asked to speak to the tech who worked on the car. Found out they did not run a compression test, and when I asked to have one done, even after to agreeing to pay for it, they were very reluctant.
As far as the car goes, oil was all over, but the inside of the manifold was drenched in it - there were literally puddles of oil in every nook, as well as splattered all around. He tried to blame this on the oil being overfilled at some point.
Two of the coils looked like they might genuinely be bad, but he didn't show me the other two, nor the wires/plugs. He also tried to tell me I was using cheap gas due to the carbon buildup, which really pissed me off (I only run 93, though I do baby my car).
So I pushed for the compression test and agreed to pay the $97 to have it done. Should know something in the next hour or two.
The codes the car was throwing are:
P0300
P2070
If anyone has any suggestions or feedback, I'd love to hear it. Playing the waiting game sucks.
Went in this morning and asked to speak to the tech who worked on the car. Found out they did not run a compression test, and when I asked to have one done, even after to agreeing to pay for it, they were very reluctant.
As far as the car goes, oil was all over, but the inside of the manifold was drenched in it - there were literally puddles of oil in every nook, as well as splattered all around. He tried to blame this on the oil being overfilled at some point.
Two of the coils looked like they might genuinely be bad, but he didn't show me the other two, nor the wires/plugs. He also tried to tell me I was using cheap gas due to the carbon buildup, which really pissed me off (I only run 93, though I do baby my car).
So I pushed for the compression test and agreed to pay the $97 to have it done. Should know something in the next hour or two.
The codes the car was throwing are:
P0300
P2070
If anyone has any suggestions or feedback, I'd love to hear it. Playing the waiting game sucks.
11-13-2007, 01:11 PM
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Pour one out for a homie...
I got tired of waiting this morning for a phone call from the dealership (I was told it would take 40 minutes at 8am - it was now 10:30), so I called MNAO and started complaining that I felt my car wasn't being properly looked at by the dealership, that I had talked to another tech and it sounded like I was getting a line of crap from this one. They put me on hold and called the dealership, then after 15 minutes or so came back and just re-iterated what he dealer claimed.
Anyway, I come back from lunch at 1:30 and still haven't heard anything so I call the dealership to find out what's up. Turns out Mazda told them they would cover the $4k manifold and the $1k worth of plugs/wires/coils. When I asked about the compression test they said they had done it, but the tech who performed it had been on the phone with Mazda's tech line for quite a while about the test. I pushed a bit and asked what the results of the test were, and was told only the tech had them and he was on the phone.
Edit:
Just got off the phone with them again. The compression test came back 7.5, 7.6, 7.7. Now the story is they want me to pay $1,300 for coils, plugs, wires, and a few misc service things, and if that doesn't fix it they said they would replace the manifold at no cost to me. It's a direct contradiction to what they said 30 minutes ago, with the exception of the compression test
Anyway, I come back from lunch at 1:30 and still haven't heard anything so I call the dealership to find out what's up. Turns out Mazda told them they would cover the $4k manifold and the $1k worth of plugs/wires/coils. When I asked about the compression test they said they had done it, but the tech who performed it had been on the phone with Mazda's tech line for quite a while about the test. I pushed a bit and asked what the results of the test were, and was told only the tech had them and he was on the phone.
Edit:
Just got off the phone with them again. The compression test came back 7.5, 7.6, 7.7. Now the story is they want me to pay $1,300 for coils, plugs, wires, and a few misc service things, and if that doesn't fix it they said they would replace the manifold at no cost to me. It's a direct contradiction to what they said 30 minutes ago, with the exception of the compression test
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11-13-2007, 11:45 PM
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So they called:
I'm being told all 4 coils ($420), all the wires ($377), and all the plugs ($193) are bad and need to be swapped. On this one I'm being told I'm screwed and it's not covered under warranty.
I'm also being told the intake manifold is somewhat hosed, and they might be able to fix it for $230, but if they have to replace it it's going to be $4K. They said this one might be covered under warranty, but they won't know until tomorrow when they call Mazda (closed today for the holiday).
Fuuuuuuuck, I can't afford this
e: oh, and another $350 of random **** that I've had done but they wanted argue about not having done at a dealer (tranny fluid, etc)
I'm being told all 4 coils ($420), all the wires ($377), and all the plugs ($193) are bad and need to be swapped. On this one I'm being told I'm screwed and it's not covered under warranty.
I'm also being told the intake manifold is somewhat hosed, and they might be able to fix it for $230, but if they have to replace it it's going to be $4K. They said this one might be covered under warranty, but they won't know until tomorrow when they call Mazda (closed today for the holiday).
Fuuuuuuuck, I can't afford this
e: oh, and another $350 of random **** that I've had done but they wanted argue about not having done at a dealer (tranny fluid, etc)
I got tired of waiting this morning for a phone call from the dealership (I was told it would take 40 minutes at 8am - it was now 10:30), so I called MNAO and started complaining that I felt my car wasn't being properly looked at by the dealership, that I had talked to another tech and it sounded like I was getting a line of crap from this one. They put me on hold and called the dealership, then after 15 minutes or so came back and just re-iterated what he dealer claimed.
Anyway, I come back from lunch at 1:30 and still haven't heard anything so I call the dealership to find out what's up. Turns out Mazda told them they would cover the $4k manifold and the $1k worth of plugs/wires/coils. When I asked about the compression test they said they had done it, but the tech who performed it had been on the phone with Mazda's tech line for quite a while about the test. I pushed a bit and asked what the results of the test were, and was told only the tech had them and he was on the phone.
Edit:
Just got off the phone with them again. The compression test came back 7.5, 7.6, 7.7. Now the story is they want me to pay $1,300 for coils, plugs, wires, and a few misc service things, and if that doesn't fix it they said they would replace the manifold at no cost to me. It's a direct contradiction to what they said 30 minutes ago, with the exception of the compression test
Anyway, I come back from lunch at 1:30 and still haven't heard anything so I call the dealership to find out what's up. Turns out Mazda told them they would cover the $4k manifold and the $1k worth of plugs/wires/coils. When I asked about the compression test they said they had done it, but the tech who performed it had been on the phone with Mazda's tech line for quite a while about the test. I pushed a bit and asked what the results of the test were, and was told only the tech had them and he was on the phone.
Edit:
Just got off the phone with them again. The compression test came back 7.5, 7.6, 7.7. Now the story is they want me to pay $1,300 for coils, plugs, wires, and a few misc service things, and if that doesn't fix it they said they would replace the manifold at no cost to me. It's a direct contradiction to what they said 30 minutes ago, with the exception of the compression test
Wow, **** that ****. Im sick and tired of dealership trying to rip people off whenever they get a chance, here. print them ALL out and shove it up their ***.
Mazda Factory Coil, you'll need 4, $29.95 EACH
http://www.finishlineperformance.com...n&key=RX8M1018
Mazda Factory Spark Plug Wires, a Whole set, $56.95
http://www.finishlineperformance.com...n&key=RX8M1005
NGK Spark Plug, Leading, You'll need 2 , RE7CL, $19.95 EACH
http://www.amazon.com/RE7CL-NGK-Raci...5018707&sr=8-2
NGK Spark Plug, Trailing, You'll need 2, RE9BT, $19.95 Each
http://www.amazon.com/RE9BT-NGK-Raci...5018707&sr=8-2
Total, 256.55, Some of the item ships free. So round it up, it cost about what, no more than 270 ?
You DO NOT have to replace ANY Fluids at a dealer, just save the receipt. They bullshitting you again.
Just ask them, what kind of fuxking Coils they're giving you that cost 400 something? if its ODK Sure why not, its a steal, but Factory ones? Get the fuxk outa here. Same thing goes for Wires and Plugs.
and what is *might be possible to fix the manifold* ? There is NO way to fix it if its crack, replacement is the only way, and the ONLY way that it could be crack was either you're lucky enough to have a Big *** rock/metal flew into your engine compartment and it just bounce around enough times to cause damage, OR you are running really high boost, Or you just broke it yourself with a hammer or something. and it does NOT cost 4K to get a new one.
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11-14-2007, 07:09 AM
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Wow, **** that ****. Im sick and tired of dealership trying to rip people off whenever they get a chance, here. print them ALL out and shove it up their ***.
Mazda Factory Coil, you'll need 4, $29.95 EACH
http://www.finishlineperformance.com...n&key=RX8M1018
Mazda Factory Spark Plug Wires, a Whole set, $56.95
http://www.finishlineperformance.com...n&key=RX8M1005
NGK Spark Plug, Leading, You'll need 2 , RE7CL, $19.95 EACH
http://www.amazon.com/RE7CL-NGK-Raci...5018707&sr=8-2
NGK Spark Plug, Trailing, You'll need 2, RE9BT, $19.95 Each
http://www.amazon.com/RE9BT-NGK-Raci...5018707&sr=8-2
Total, 256.55, Some of the item ships free. So round it up, it cost about what, no more than 270 ?
You DO NOT have to replace ANY Fluids at a dealer, just save the receipt. They bullshitting you again.
Just ask them, what kind of fuxking Coils they're giving you that cost 400 something? if its ODK Sure why not, its a steal, but Factory ones? Get the fuxk outa here. Same thing goes for Wires and Plugs.
and what is *might be possible to fix the manifold* ? There is NO way to fix it if its crack, replacement is the only way, and the ONLY way that it could be crack was either you're lucky enough to have a Big *** rock/metal flew into your engine compartment and it just bounce around enough times to cause damage, OR you are running really high boost, Or you just broke it yourself with a hammer or something. and it does NOT cost 4K to get a new one.
Mazda Factory Coil, you'll need 4, $29.95 EACH
http://www.finishlineperformance.com...n&key=RX8M1018
Mazda Factory Spark Plug Wires, a Whole set, $56.95
http://www.finishlineperformance.com...n&key=RX8M1005
NGK Spark Plug, Leading, You'll need 2 , RE7CL, $19.95 EACH
http://www.amazon.com/RE7CL-NGK-Raci...5018707&sr=8-2
NGK Spark Plug, Trailing, You'll need 2, RE9BT, $19.95 Each
http://www.amazon.com/RE9BT-NGK-Raci...5018707&sr=8-2
Total, 256.55, Some of the item ships free. So round it up, it cost about what, no more than 270 ?
You DO NOT have to replace ANY Fluids at a dealer, just save the receipt. They bullshitting you again.
Just ask them, what kind of fuxking Coils they're giving you that cost 400 something? if its ODK Sure why not, its a steal, but Factory ones? Get the fuxk outa here. Same thing goes for Wires and Plugs.
and what is *might be possible to fix the manifold* ? There is NO way to fix it if its crack, replacement is the only way, and the ONLY way that it could be crack was either you're lucky enough to have a Big *** rock/metal flew into your engine compartment and it just bounce around enough times to cause damage, OR you are running really high boost, Or you just broke it yourself with a hammer or something. and it does NOT cost 4K to get a new one.
What really pisses me off is the dealer/tech still can't tell me what caused the oil to explode inside the intake and all over my engine bay. He just laughs and says somebody must have put too much oil in, when it's been 2 months since I had the oil changed.
11-14-2007, 08:35 AM
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It could be oil overfilling, but over filling it will NOT cause it to explode and made a crack anywhere, if it does, you probably be dead by now.
It takes ALOT of pressure to be able to crack the stock manifold.
Let me ask you, your car still works before going into the dealership right? it probably runs like **** but works correct? if I were you, I will just pay for the hourly whatever bullshit diagnostic fee, and tow the car to somewhere else then do all the work by myself.
Im not sure what kind of crack you're talking about, it will be great if you can take a picture. but seriously its almost impossible to crack the intake manifold unless you're really unlucky(or if you hit a car b4 and it somehow the force has been transferred to the manifold caused it to crack)
Its possible to see your intake filled with loads of oil, lots of people had it in their intake, it should not cause much harm, clean it, and thats it.
Plus, dealership cant deny your intake Manifold warranty if you dont buy stuff from them. Find a cheap flat bed towing company, tow it back home, install all the stuff yourself (coils, spark, etc), drain the oil, fill with only 4 quarts, clean the intake manifold with Electrical safe spray, see what happens.
It takes ALOT of pressure to be able to crack the stock manifold.
Let me ask you, your car still works before going into the dealership right? it probably runs like **** but works correct? if I were you, I will just pay for the hourly whatever bullshit diagnostic fee, and tow the car to somewhere else then do all the work by myself.
Im not sure what kind of crack you're talking about, it will be great if you can take a picture. but seriously its almost impossible to crack the intake manifold unless you're really unlucky(or if you hit a car b4 and it somehow the force has been transferred to the manifold caused it to crack)
Its possible to see your intake filled with loads of oil, lots of people had it in their intake, it should not cause much harm, clean it, and thats it.
Plus, dealership cant deny your intake Manifold warranty if you dont buy stuff from them. Find a cheap flat bed towing company, tow it back home, install all the stuff yourself (coils, spark, etc), drain the oil, fill with only 4 quarts, clean the intake manifold with Electrical safe spray, see what happens.
11-14-2007, 09:23 AM
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It could be oil overfilling, but over filling it will NOT cause it to explode and made a crack anywhere, if it does, you probably be dead by now.
It takes ALOT of pressure to be able to crack the stock manifold.
Let me ask you, your car still works before going into the dealership right? it probably runs like **** but works correct? if I were you, I will just pay for the hourly whatever bullshit diagnostic fee, and tow the car to somewhere else then do all the work by myself.
Im not sure what kind of crack you're talking about, it will be great if you can take a picture. but seriously its almost impossible to crack the intake manifold unless you're really unlucky(or if you hit a car b4 and it somehow the force has been transferred to the manifold caused it to crack)
Its possible to see your intake filled with loads of oil, lots of people had it in their intake, it should not cause much harm, clean it, and thats it.
Plus, dealership cant deny your intake Manifold warranty if you dont buy stuff from them. Find a cheap flat bed towing company, tow it back home, install all the stuff yourself (coils, spark, etc), drain the oil, fill with only 4 quarts, clean the intake manifold with Electrical safe spray, see what happens.
It takes ALOT of pressure to be able to crack the stock manifold.
Let me ask you, your car still works before going into the dealership right? it probably runs like **** but works correct? if I were you, I will just pay for the hourly whatever bullshit diagnostic fee, and tow the car to somewhere else then do all the work by myself.
Im not sure what kind of crack you're talking about, it will be great if you can take a picture. but seriously its almost impossible to crack the intake manifold unless you're really unlucky(or if you hit a car b4 and it somehow the force has been transferred to the manifold caused it to crack)
Its possible to see your intake filled with loads of oil, lots of people had it in their intake, it should not cause much harm, clean it, and thats it.
Plus, dealership cant deny your intake Manifold warranty if you dont buy stuff from them. Find a cheap flat bed towing company, tow it back home, install all the stuff yourself (coils, spark, etc), drain the oil, fill with only 4 quarts, clean the intake manifold with Electrical safe spray, see what happens.
At this point I'm just done with it; I've had this car into the dealership 20+ times for work since I bought it, none of them related to each other. I'm finally in a position where I'm not upside-down on what I owe, so it's getting traded in or sold before the warranty runs out.
I love this car, but I can only take so much before it's just not worth it to me.
11-14-2007, 12:15 PM
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I can't comment on your manifold. It sounds like what your describing was just discussed in another thread. Someone posted a pick of their manifold and it was pretty dirty/oily on the inside. I tried to search for it but couldn't find it.
As far as your other problems, I had the same scenario happen to me. As long as your car is under warranty they should replace the coils, plugs and wires. I would get them to replace these three things. Depending on how the car runs then I would determine if there's an issue with the manifold. FWIW, there's a good chance when the coils went out it clogged your cat. Make sure you get them to check your cat before leaving.
As far as your other problems, I had the same scenario happen to me. As long as your car is under warranty they should replace the coils, plugs and wires. I would get them to replace these three things. Depending on how the car runs then I would determine if there's an issue with the manifold. FWIW, there's a good chance when the coils went out it clogged your cat. Make sure you get them to check your cat before leaving.
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I have a similar issue - Coils gone bad ==> spark plugs + wires
I just took my 2004 RX8 (40k miles) to Town North Mazda here in Ricahrdson, Texas because my check engine light was coming on when RPM>7,500 (it would flash for about 20 seconds, and then go off). I also complained to them about loss in acceleration and gas fume smell.
They diagnosed the problem as overheated (bad) coils - which caused all 4 spark plugs to go bad, as well as holes burned in the Spark Plug wires.
Here is what they quoted me:
- Replace coil packs - parts + labor - $347 (covered by my Mazda Extended Protection Plan - my MFGR warranty ran out after 48 months - July this year)
- Spark Plugs and wires + Labor $398 (broken up as follows
-- Spark Plugs - $200 (60 each for leading, and $40 each for trailing)
-- Spark Plug Wires - $80
-- Labor - $89 (for replacement on Spark Plugs and wires only)
They tell me that the damage to the spark plugs and wires are not covered under my MEPP because it is subequential damages caused by the coils. I have pushed back on them that all of this damage should be covered by my MEPP...and am awaiting an answer.
I also have talked to the parts department guy who will discount the Plugs to $159 (from $200), and the wires to $60 (from $80).
Anyway - I thought this $$ info may help you.
Thanks,
Eric
They diagnosed the problem as overheated (bad) coils - which caused all 4 spark plugs to go bad, as well as holes burned in the Spark Plug wires.
Here is what they quoted me:
- Replace coil packs - parts + labor - $347 (covered by my Mazda Extended Protection Plan - my MFGR warranty ran out after 48 months - July this year)
- Spark Plugs and wires + Labor $398 (broken up as follows
-- Spark Plugs - $200 (60 each for leading, and $40 each for trailing)
-- Spark Plug Wires - $80
-- Labor - $89 (for replacement on Spark Plugs and wires only)
They tell me that the damage to the spark plugs and wires are not covered under my MEPP because it is subequential damages caused by the coils. I have pushed back on them that all of this damage should be covered by my MEPP...and am awaiting an answer.
I also have talked to the parts department guy who will discount the Plugs to $159 (from $200), and the wires to $60 (from $80).
Anyway - I thought this $$ info may help you.
Thanks,
Eric