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Tamas 07-25-2005 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by faffy
I am in the middle of buying a new RX-8, actually it might be a Shinka. How can I check if the dealer did the check up regarding this recall?

I mentioned that all Rx-8s have this recall and the salesman did not even hear about it, then he went in and asked the manager and came back and told me that the car had been checked already and it was good to go. How do I know if he lied?

Csaba

There should be stickers applied under the hood if such a recall is done (as far as I know).

Csaba??? Hol laksz egyébként? :)

faffy 07-25-2005 03:20 PM

Los Alamos, NM :)

Es te?

Tamas 07-25-2005 03:39 PM

Foster City-ben, fél órára San Francisco-tól.

brightnova 07-25-2005 03:55 PM

My dealer called me. If there is no damage, they can get the blanket on and have the car to me by this evening. If any parts need replacing then I'll get the car tomorrow.

Woohoo!!!

I hope everybody else who is waiting also starts to get good news like this from their dealers soon as well.

sharward 07-25-2005 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by Me A Day Ago
I just purchased and took delivery from dealer stock of my 2005 model four days ago (July 20). Mine is an April 2005 build and, obviously, within the VIN range included in the group 2 instructions. There was no mention of any recall during my purchase.

What I find interesting is that there is no recall campaign label under my hood. :rolleyes: I also set up an account on myMAZDA and, according to the system, "There are no Recalls for your specified vehicle." (I wonder if that means there are no open recalls for my vehicle... :rolleyes: )

I just got off the phone with my dealer's service department. They do not have a record of my car being inspected. Either the car slipped through the process completely, or they just forgot to put the sticker under the hood and the warranty claim is still pending data entry. At my request he will check with the person who handles warranty claims at the dealership (she is off today, returning tomorrow). If a claim exists for my car, then it's just a missing sticker and that should be able to be mailed to me and I'll "stick it" myself. Otherwise, it's indication that they released a car to me prior to it going through the procedure (or, maybe it went through the procedure but it escaped all documentation steps). If the latter, I'm going to have a word with their service manager, armed with the MNAO "suspend delivery" letter (complete with the threat of fines) and see if he (or she) can explain how that was allowed to happen... :confused:

The info is up on NHTSA.GOV as well . . .
Right on, Dennis! :) Thanks for posting that.

zoom44 07-25-2005 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by dwynne
The info is up on NHTSA.GOV as well - as many as 56,000 cars to be recalled (ouch), with links to these documents:


Dennis

thanks the link to the nhtsa bit was posted several pages ago

thew 07-25-2005 05:31 PM

Best Words on this Thread !!!!

Just hang loose and left MAzda get it worked out.. Just wait untill you get your notice from MAzda in the mail.

Originally Posted by ZoomZoomH
yup waiting for august for one big visit to address all this stuff, and then continue to enjoy the 8 :D


Urchin 07-25-2005 09:46 PM


Originally Posted by Tamas
Foster City-ben, fél órára San Francisco-tól.

Hány Magyar van it? Én Phoenixbe vagyok.

adrian-1 07-25-2005 10:11 PM

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Group 1 fuel tank inspec:
Lower the front of the tank and look for deformation or wrinkling along the seam. If damaged, replace tank. If not damaged, install heat insulation pad over the hump in the tank between the tank and the body. (Very specific instructions are supplied for fitment of this pad....).
Ok, I've got a question about the group 1 fuel tank inspection.

Is the picture below what they're looking for?
The description above sounds like it would be on the top part of the tank (need to remove it and place pad b/w body). Also, The picture is another member's car (hardhitter's) and somebody said the deformation was normal. I don't remember noticing it on my car.

Also, anybody with the RP shortshifter remember if the plastic piece is the same as the stock one or is it different? May need a replacement if it's damaged.

https://www.rx8club.com/attachment.p...chmentid=50247

Tamas 07-25-2005 10:14 PM


Originally Posted by Urchin
Hány Magyar van it? Én Phoenixbe vagyok.

Hello :D

REMillers 07-25-2005 11:17 PM

To the pic above that looks more like a dent cause by road debries being kicked back up.

It is the top but perhaps not what you are thinking in ways of the very top. Instead it is the top portion of the arch where the exhaust feeds between the gas tank.

http://pages.prodigy.net/mcammoman/rgas.JPG

The pad is placed between the metal insulator and the actual tank. What they are looking for when they remove the tank is if the normal gap is changed in size or otherwise changed.

zoom44 07-25-2005 11:26 PM

! agree with REmillers

Gomez 07-26-2005 12:07 AM


Originally Posted by adrian-1

.....sounds like it would be on the top part of the tank (need to remove it and place pad b/w body). Also, The picture is another member's car (hardhitter's) and somebody said the deformation was normal. I don't remember noticing it on my car.

Also, anybody with the RP shortshifter remember if the plastic piece is the same as the stock one or is it different? May need a replacement if it's damaged.

The deformation the dealers are inspecting for is deformation of the seam that joins the top and bottom half of the plastic tank. Not that dent you have pictured.

I have Richards shifter fitted and Richard provides his own "pivot cage", it is different to the Mazda piece. If you're worried that it may be deformed, pull it out and inspect it!

cuzzin 07-26-2005 01:34 AM

"... NHTSA said Mazda Motor Corp. is recalling 27,800 2004 model-year RX8 cars as cracks may occur in the ball joint socket due to improper forging of the lower control arm. In severe driving conditions, the ball may separate from the socket and a loss of steering may occur, which could result in a crash, NHTSA said. ..."

So I did a quick search of the NHSTA site and it revealed 4 recalls for 2004 models and 1 recall for 2005.

Make : MAZDA Model : RX8 Year : 2004
Manufacturer : MAZDA NORTH AMERICAN OPERATIONS
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number : 05V325000 Recall Date : JUL 18, 2005
Component: SUSPENSION:FRONT:CONTROL ARM:LOWER BALL JOINT
Potential Number Of Units Affected : 27800


Make : MAZDA Model : RX8 Year : 2004
Manufacturer : MAZDA NORTH AMERICAN OPERATIONS
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number : 05V317000 Recall Date : JUL 07, 2005
Component: ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING
Potential Number Of Units Affected : 56000


Make : MAZDA Model : RX8 Year : 2004
Manufacturer : MAZDA NORTH AMERICAN OPERATIONS
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number : 04V074000 Recall Date : FEB 16, 2004
Component: AIR BAGS:FRONTAL
Potential Number Of Units Affected : 29300


Make : MAZDA Model : RX8 Year : 2004
Manufacturer : MAZDA NORTH AMERICAN OPERATIONS
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number : 04V075000 Recall Date : FEB 16, 2004
Component: POWER TRAIN:MANUAL TRANSMISSION
Potential Number Of Units Affected : 12000


Make : MAZDA Model : RX8 Year : 2005
Manufacturer : MAZDA NORTH AMERICAN OPERATIONS
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number : 05V317000 Recall Date : JUL 07, 2005
Component: ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING
Potential Number Of Units Affected : 56000

smrx8 07-26-2005 06:47 AM

hmmm i wonder what the problem with the manuel transmissions

snizzle 07-26-2005 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by smrx8
hmmm i wonder what the problem with the manuel transmissions

http://www.recall-warnings.com/auto-content-54806.html

Not that this link has been posted on this thread before or anything

Woz 07-26-2005 10:50 AM

Does anyone know how long the recall is meant to take. I keep hearing people talka about getting rental cars like it will be a while for it to be done and when I called the guy said it would be an hour to do.

brngckn 07-26-2005 10:51 AM

Things are looking up, I think. Salesman just called and they have the heat blankets in. Now, they are awaiting the install instructions which are to be faxed. Hoping to have car tomorrow. :)

zoom44 07-26-2005 11:37 AM

they already have the recall instructions. they cdont need to be faxed because they can get tehm the same site they get all tsb info from. morons

brightnova 07-26-2005 12:09 PM

Actually, I faxed them the instructions at their request. I was talking to the Mazda technician and he said that every time he pulled up the instructions he got one that was 7 pages long. This was yesterday. So I faxed him the instructions. Then magically, within half an hour they got the instructions through the Mazda system.

So Faxing worked for me. It made them find the instructions :)

BTW, I am pretty sure it was not the dealer being a pain in the arse, because the guy was on the phone real-time with me when he was trying to access the instructions. He tried several times. Maybe its their comuter system or something, but it was not the tech being difficult.

Josche 07-26-2005 12:33 PM

Thanks to Gomez and Zoom44 for keeping relatively cool throughout this thread :)

I'll sum up my post with couple of lines, read the rest of the thread if my initial question has merit:

The behavior described in the recall notice (revving the engine while parked) doesn't seem like something many (if any) people would do. Why is this the only behavior listed in the recall? Are there other, more likely, circumstances that could cause the same issues? Why hasn't Mazda acknowledged those?



Here are my more specific questions:

1) It seems like Gomez had it on good authority that flooding and running the car with raw fuel in the cats could cause the same problems listed in the recall. My question then is why isn't flooding mentioned in the recall? I find it hard to believe that there are many people who stop and rev the engine to high RPMs for extended periods, but I imagine a lot of people are experiencing the type of damage described in the recall.

2) Aside from revving while parked for extended periods and (maybe) idling after flooding, are there any other conditions that could have led to excessive heat in the exhaust, resulting in similar damage? I spent quite a bit of time in the mountains (lots of steep climbs) in high ambient temperatures (90 degrees F) at relatively high RPMs (6-9K) in 2nd and 3rd gear. I've begun to wonder- could having a low level of gas in the tank (therefore making it easier to heat the tank) and 'spirited' driving combine to create similar symptoms?

I'm sure I'll find out more when I go in for the recall. I'm fairly certain that my car was flooded on the dealer lot before I bought it. I know that I've driven the car pretty fast now and again in hot weather. I also know that I've never sat in a parking lot or at a stop light and revved the engine.

I'm interested in hearing thoughts on this from the experts.

Glyphon 07-26-2005 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by Josche
I've begun to wonder- could having a low level of gas in the tank (therefore making it easier to heat the tank) and 'spirited' driving combine to create similar symptoms?

i'd guess no, because when you are driving, there is sufficient air flow to help keep the parts cool.

Nemesis8 07-26-2005 01:41 PM

This thread is huge by now, but is there a concern by Mazda in us Dynoing the car? You are basically sitting still and reving the engine :)

Crash 07-26-2005 02:09 PM

Am I the last to get mine? STILL waiting.......:confused:

This is the loooooongest Priority shipping I've ever seen.

zoom44 07-26-2005 02:13 PM

i stated this before but let me try one more time.

this issue is caused by a particular set of circumstances. those circumstances cause the pcm to go into a protection mode where it sets a high rpm idle.

when jump starting the car it can trip this self protection feature. because people who have just jump started their car think it will help charge the battery they let the high idle go on. this causes the high under car heat.

when gomez stated it was linked to flooding its because flooded rx-8s with the weak stock battery tend to need jump starting if they have been cranked alot already. this exacberates the under car heat because the extra fuel fromteh flood gets ignited in the cat.

josche i dont believe the situation you describe could cause the conditions because you are moving. the behaviour that is listed int eh recall is the behavior that causes the issue and ther e is not any "more likely" circumstances that will cause it.

kevin i dont believe a dyno could cause the situation. the dyno run "could" possibly trip the self protection mode but then everyone would notice the car set its rpm and your dyno capability would end. so you would shut the car off instead of letting it sit and idle. plus i dont know how many people spend a half an hour running continuous on the dyno with out fans


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