Repeat Flooding - with a twist...:(
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Repeat Flooding - with a twist...:(
hi guys....please help
firstly im not new to the whole RX rotary world, owner 2 rex`s over the last 4 yrs and never flooded one....uNTILL NOW
I have to say this wasnt due to not warming her up etc which 99% of posts are about or related too.
2 weks ago i got in her after not driving for 3 days (nothing unusual for me) and attempted to start it, it fired up to 1000rmp & instantly stalled, tried to re start but nothing, was spinning but not able to get there. after a while i did the whole flooding procudure, hold acc in 8 sec, cut fuel etc... managed to get her going with the usual amount of smoke for a de flooded rex, drove fine...no issues. next few days Ok, then one morning a few days later same issue, after sometime i got her running and again all fine, the next day again, somethings not rite!!
i have owned her for 18 months, 48k on clock when i got her she had usual coils, plugs, leads & faster starter fitted as its a 2004 model. due to this only just happening now & doing nothing different from normal i cant understand wots going on. i always shut her down correctly and always warm/hot, like i said im not a rx noob so its not something im doing but something else
Please...if any one has good knowledge of wot the issue could be let me know, could it be carbon build-up?? when its running it all good, no rough idle, nothing just the cold start every now & then
cheers in advance guys,
lexx
firstly im not new to the whole RX rotary world, owner 2 rex`s over the last 4 yrs and never flooded one....uNTILL NOW
I have to say this wasnt due to not warming her up etc which 99% of posts are about or related too.
2 weks ago i got in her after not driving for 3 days (nothing unusual for me) and attempted to start it, it fired up to 1000rmp & instantly stalled, tried to re start but nothing, was spinning but not able to get there. after a while i did the whole flooding procudure, hold acc in 8 sec, cut fuel etc... managed to get her going with the usual amount of smoke for a de flooded rex, drove fine...no issues. next few days Ok, then one morning a few days later same issue, after sometime i got her running and again all fine, the next day again, somethings not rite!!
i have owned her for 18 months, 48k on clock when i got her she had usual coils, plugs, leads & faster starter fitted as its a 2004 model. due to this only just happening now & doing nothing different from normal i cant understand wots going on. i always shut her down correctly and always warm/hot, like i said im not a rx noob so its not something im doing but something else
Please...if any one has good knowledge of wot the issue could be let me know, could it be carbon build-up?? when its running it all good, no rough idle, nothing just the cold start every now & then
cheers in advance guys,
lexx
Last edited by ludey dudey; 03-05-2012 at 10:03 AM.
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I'm going to be as soft with this as I can...
If your engine floods, it's because something is wrong. 99% of the time, it's a failing ignition. Deflooding it and getting it going does nothing to fix WHY it flooded in the first place. Ignoring the reason why it flooded is only going to mean that it's going to flood again. And again, and again. Flooding is a symptom, not a problem.
https://www.rx8club.com/new-member-forum-197/new-potential-owners-start-here-202454/
If your engine floods, it's because something is wrong. 99% of the time, it's a failing ignition. Deflooding it and getting it going does nothing to fix WHY it flooded in the first place. Ignoring the reason why it flooded is only going to mean that it's going to flood again. And again, and again. Flooding is a symptom, not a problem.
https://www.rx8club.com/new-member-forum-197/new-potential-owners-start-here-202454/
Flooding:
Flooding is only a concern if you have a weak ignition system. The problem is, your ignition system usually fails very slowly, so it is a gradual decline. The alert and responsible owner will detect the drop in mileage, the drop in power, the rougher idle, the occasional misfire, and replace their coils, plugs, and wires before it gets bad enough where there is a chance at flooding.
Every single flood I have seen reported for quite a while ended up coming down to one of these failing: Battery, Starter, Coil(s), Plug Wire(s), Plug(s). But by then, they also generally have a fried cat that needs to get replaced as well, and possibly an O2 sensor or two. Stay on top of the maintenance (long term included!) and you will wonder what all the fuss was about. Coils ($160 for all 4, 20 minute swap), plugs ($80 for all 4, 10 minute swap), and wires ($60, 2 minute swap), should be replaced every 30,000 miles, possibly sooner if you detect something starting to fail, since people have had them fail as early as 8,000 miles or 15,000 miles, though that's rare.
You don't want to shut off while it's cold simply because when the engine is cold, the ECU dumps more fuel into engine to help it warm up, and it leans back once the engine is warm. This extra fuel can make it harder to start an ignition, which a healthy ignition system is perfectly capable of overcoming. Weaken the ignition with failing plugs, coils, wires, alternator, starter, or battery, and you have a flood on your hands, and all the associated problems from that.
Flooding is only a concern if you have a weak ignition system. The problem is, your ignition system usually fails very slowly, so it is a gradual decline. The alert and responsible owner will detect the drop in mileage, the drop in power, the rougher idle, the occasional misfire, and replace their coils, plugs, and wires before it gets bad enough where there is a chance at flooding.
Every single flood I have seen reported for quite a while ended up coming down to one of these failing: Battery, Starter, Coil(s), Plug Wire(s), Plug(s). But by then, they also generally have a fried cat that needs to get replaced as well, and possibly an O2 sensor or two. Stay on top of the maintenance (long term included!) and you will wonder what all the fuss was about. Coils ($160 for all 4, 20 minute swap), plugs ($80 for all 4, 10 minute swap), and wires ($60, 2 minute swap), should be replaced every 30,000 miles, possibly sooner if you detect something starting to fail, since people have had them fail as early as 8,000 miles or 15,000 miles, though that's rare.
You don't want to shut off while it's cold simply because when the engine is cold, the ECU dumps more fuel into engine to help it warm up, and it leans back once the engine is warm. This extra fuel can make it harder to start an ignition, which a healthy ignition system is perfectly capable of overcoming. Weaken the ignition with failing plugs, coils, wires, alternator, starter, or battery, and you have a flood on your hands, and all the associated problems from that.
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