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01-09-2008, 01:03 PM
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How much play does the factory camber setup have?
The reason I ask, is because I just got new tires mounted and need to get an alignment. I need an alignment because my last tires were chewed up on the inside due to negative camber.
Eyeing it, it looks like my camber is pretty bad.. but what do I know, I work in the sales dept, not the service dept...
But I was thinking, what if my camber is real bad, and there is not enough play to straighten it out.
What camber kits are out there? I don't see many people on here talking about them.
The reason I ask, is because I just got new tires mounted and need to get an alignment. I need an alignment because my last tires were chewed up on the inside due to negative camber.
Eyeing it, it looks like my camber is pretty bad.. but what do I know, I work in the sales dept, not the service dept...
But I was thinking, what if my camber is real bad, and there is not enough play to straighten it out.
What camber kits are out there? I don't see many people on here talking about them.
01-09-2008, 01:53 PM
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This car provides plenty of camber adjustment (compared to cars with struts). Negative camber is good for turn-in response and grip, yet consumes inner tires moreso than a car with less negative camber. The stock camber range doesn't go far enough, however to allow aggressive consumption of the inner tire- it will wear quicker, but you won't see chorded tires on the inside with meat left on the rest of the tire. Check out your toe settings as well. It seems like your car simply needs an adjustment to OEM alignment spec.
01-09-2008, 02:09 PM
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Is there an aftermarket camber adjustment part for our car? I have a set of race wheels/tires and I dont feel like taking my car to the shop for an adjustment every time I go to the track.
01-09-2008, 02:14 PM
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This car provides plenty of camber adjustment (compared to cars with struts). Negative camber is good for turn-in response and grip, yet consumes inner tires moreso than a car with less negative camber. The stock camber range doesn't go far enough, however to allow aggressive consumption of the inner tire- it will wear quicker, but you won't see chorded tires on the inside with meat left on the rest of the tire. Check out your toe settings as well. It seems like your car simply needs an adjustment to OEM alignment spec.
You said the car provides plenty of cambry adjustment... then you said the stock camger range doesn't go far enough...
My service dept. has got my car, and is in line to be worked on... hopefully they can get it all straightened out. I don't track the car... just some spirited driving everyonce in a while..
01-09-2008, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by davefzr
Is there an aftermarket camber adjustment part for our car? I have a set of race wheels/tires and I dont feel like taking my car to the shop for an adjustment every time I go to the track
01-09-2008, 02:19 PM
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I'm a little confused.. maybe I'm just reading your post wrong...
You said the car provides plenty of cambry adjustment... then you said the stock camger range doesn't go far enough...
My service dept. has got my car, and is in line to be worked on... hopefully they can get it all straightened out. I don't track the car... just some spirited driving everyonce in a while..
You said the car provides plenty of cambry adjustment... then you said the stock camger range doesn't go far enough...
My service dept. has got my car, and is in line to be worked on... hopefully they can get it all straightened out. I don't track the car... just some spirited driving everyonce in a while..
But, within that range of adjustment, you're simply not going to see massive inner tire wear from negative camber alone at the car's extreme negative camber range.
And, yes, the OEM spec is plenty fine for spirited driving. If I recall, the OEM spec has very little negative camber up front, which promotes tread life.
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01-09-2008, 02:34 PM
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Yes it does. Bringing the alignment back to spec should help your tire wear issue. If you never aligned the car after having the lowering springs installed, then, that's the culprit.
01-09-2008, 02:35 PM
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I just bought some cheapy tires for now, till I get my new wheels and tires later this year.. but I talked to a guy that use to work at Sears, and he said the tires I got suck, and that he never seen them get more than 10,000 miles on them. He might have been exagerating a little, but who knows.
Either way, I would like to see them get more than 10,000 miles on them, and I don't need bad camber contributing to them wearing down faster.
Either way, I would like to see them get more than 10,000 miles on them, and I don't need bad camber contributing to them wearing down faster.
01-09-2008, 02:52 PM
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Get an alignment dude...negative camber is going to be the LEAST of your problems...
The geometry change is one factor...the other being that whomever installed or did your drop might have mucked with the alignment bolts not knowing and so your alignment is completely trashed...
BTW, with your drop, you may not want to use the factory specs...what kind of setup do you have?
The geometry change is one factor...the other being that whomever installed or did your drop might have mucked with the alignment bolts not knowing and so your alignment is completely trashed...
BTW, with your drop, you may not want to use the factory specs...what kind of setup do you have?
01-09-2008, 02:59 PM
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Just springs right now.. Tanabe's..
I dropped the car myself, But I marked all alignment and camber bolts that I had to mess with to do the suspension, so I would be the same when I re-installed them.
I dropped the car myself, But I marked all alignment and camber bolts that I had to mess with to do the suspension, so I would be the same when I re-installed them.
01-09-2008, 03:08 PM
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As good of a mechanic you think you might be...you messed up your alignment...
Don't feel bad tho cause the drop had about 40% fault...
After I do any geometry changes, I go get my car realigned...for your drop, I would use my settings and just turn it down a bit...
01-09-2008, 03:26 PM
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Yeah, I was aware of that...
I had always meant to get an alignment after I initially dropped it, but I kept putting it on the back burner.
Oh well, no biggie.. it's getting done... the only problem is, my service department knows it's my car, and they know I'll be here all day, so mine isn't a priority, and will be done (if I'm lucky) 2 minutes before I leave. But my luck, I say about 30 mintues after I'm ready to leave.
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01-09-2008, 03:28 PM
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Get them to print out your specs...
Did you know that a fraction of a degree translates to ALOT of adjustment?
As good of a mechanic you think you might be...you messed up your alignment...
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Yeah, I was aware of that...
I had always meant to get an alignment after I initially dropped it, but I kept putting it on the back burner.
Oh well, no biggie.. it's getting done... the only problem is, my service department knows it's my car, and they know I'll be here all day, so mine isn't a priority, and will be done (if I'm lucky) 2 minutes before I leave. But my luck, I say about 30 mintues after I'm ready to leave.
As good of a mechanic you think you might be...you messed up your alignment...
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Yeah, I was aware of that...
I had always meant to get an alignment after I initially dropped it, but I kept putting it on the back burner.
Oh well, no biggie.. it's getting done... the only problem is, my service department knows it's my car, and they know I'll be here all day, so mine isn't a priority, and will be done (if I'm lucky) 2 minutes before I leave. But my luck, I say about 30 mintues after I'm ready to leave.
01-09-2008, 04:23 PM
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oooooooooooooooo...
Passenger side rear camber: -2.7°
Corrected to: -1.9°
Driver side rear camber: -2.2°
Corrected to:-1.9°
My toe was actually ok.
Passenger side rear camber: -2.7°
Corrected to: -1.9°
Driver side rear camber: -2.2°
Corrected to:-1.9°
My toe was actually ok.
01-09-2008, 05:41 PM
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Maxed?
These are my current settings...works great with MS Suspension...
FL Camber -1.5
FL Caster 7.0
FR Camber -1.5
FR Caster 7.0
FL Toe -0.1 mm
FR Toe -0.1 mm
Front Toe -0.2 mm
RL Camber -2.0
RL Toe 0.0 mm
RR Camber -2.0
RR Toe 0.0 mm
Rear Toe 0.0 mm
Thrust Angle 0.0
These are my current settings...works great with MS Suspension...
FL Camber -1.5
FL Caster 7.0
FR Camber -1.5
FR Caster 7.0
FL Toe -0.1 mm
FR Toe -0.1 mm
Front Toe -0.2 mm
RL Camber -2.0
RL Toe 0.0 mm
RR Camber -2.0
RR Toe 0.0 mm
Rear Toe 0.0 mm
Thrust Angle 0.0
01-09-2008, 05:54 PM
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The tech said with my drop, the the furthest he could straighten it out.... -1.9°
The Tanabe's are a more aggressive drop than MS
I know your car is your DD.. why do you have negative camber?
The Tanabe's are a more aggressive drop than MS
I know your car is your DD.. why do you have negative camber?
01-09-2008, 07:09 PM
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I like turning...alot...
Perhaps to an unhealthy degree...
EDIT: Oh and cause I track the car...DE in Feb aktually...
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