Cost Effective Brake Upgrade
08-30-2009, 08:37 PM
#1
Cost Effective Brake Upgrade
Ive been toying around the idea of "upgrading" to some FC or FC brake calipers, this due to the in my opinion poor quality single piston calipers the RX8 is equipped with. After searching I have not come to find any attempts to do so, possibly because the 12.7" rotors are too large for the Mazda Turbo II 10.9" capacity disks.
Has anyone tried swapping for Turbo II rotors and calipers with custom brackets?
Has anyone tried swapping for Turbo II rotors and calipers with custom brackets?
09-02-2009, 07:41 PM
#2
Ive been toying around the idea of "upgrading" to some FC or FC brake calipers, this due to the in my opinion poor quality single piston calipers the RX8 is equipped with. After searching I have not come to find any attempts to do so, possibly because the 12.7" rotors are too large for the Mazda Turbo II 10.9" capacity disks.
Has anyone tried swapping for Turbo II rotors and calipers with custom brackets?
Has anyone tried swapping for Turbo II rotors and calipers with custom brackets?
LEBREN
09-03-2009, 03:15 AM
#4
Aah, stopping faster is one advantage that may or may not be realized. One advantage that is clear is the longevity, as these brakes have proven themselves over the years and performance pads are available by Hawk.
They sure do feel lighter or at least seem lighter than the stocks.
I can say that for the Silvia crowd, the M45/Q45 brake upgrade (direct bolt on to 5 lug) was a very beneficial upgrade. 5 lug rotors had to be drilled to 4 lug if 5 lug hubs were not available or too costly. Stocks are single piston, M45's are dual piston and stop a heck of a lot faster than stocks.
I know these are not BIG BRAKES, They look good with a nice coat of *insert favorite color here* paint. One reason I am looking to this direction.
Any idea why "Teamrx8's" stock front rotors warped in This Thread?
They sure do feel lighter or at least seem lighter than the stocks.
I can say that for the Silvia crowd, the M45/Q45 brake upgrade (direct bolt on to 5 lug) was a very beneficial upgrade. 5 lug rotors had to be drilled to 4 lug if 5 lug hubs were not available or too costly. Stocks are single piston, M45's are dual piston and stop a heck of a lot faster than stocks.
I know these are not BIG BRAKES, They look good with a nice coat of *insert favorite color here* paint. One reason I am looking to this direction.
Any idea why "Teamrx8's" stock front rotors warped in This Thread?
09-03-2009, 03:21 AM
#5
Waste of money.
Our stock system is excellent and hard to push to its limits. Performance pads are available as well.
Want to mod it?
It's a 250$ mod. Hawk hps pads + steel hoses and you're set to go.
Our stock system is excellent and hard to push to its limits. Performance pads are available as well.
Want to mod it?
It's a 250$ mod. Hawk hps pads + steel hoses and you're set to go.
09-03-2009, 03:23 AM
#6
Aah, stopping faster is one advantage that may or may not be realized. One advantage that is clear is the longevity, as these brakes have proven themselves over the years and performance pads are available by Hawk.
They sure do feel lighter or at least seem lighter than the stocks.
I can say that for the Silvia crowd, the M45/Q45 brake upgrade (direct bolt on to 5 lug) was a very beneficial upgrade. 5 lug rotors had to be drilled to 4 lug if 5 lug hubs were not available or too costly. Stocks are single piston, M45's are dual piston and stop a heck of a lot faster than stocks.
I know these are not BIG BRAKES, They look good with a nice coat of *insert favorite color here* paint. One reason I am looking to this direction.
Any idea why "Teamrx8's" stock front rotors warped in This Thread?
They sure do feel lighter or at least seem lighter than the stocks.
I can say that for the Silvia crowd, the M45/Q45 brake upgrade (direct bolt on to 5 lug) was a very beneficial upgrade. 5 lug rotors had to be drilled to 4 lug if 5 lug hubs were not available or too costly. Stocks are single piston, M45's are dual piston and stop a heck of a lot faster than stocks.
I know these are not BIG BRAKES, They look good with a nice coat of *insert favorite color here* paint. One reason I am looking to this direction.
Any idea why "Teamrx8's" stock front rotors warped in This Thread?
i will ask that in public! so you are selling brakes in the silvia crowd?
dude i dont care, but own up and pay the dues.
and btw, if you know team at all he would have you straight on some stuff you have messed up..
you are trying to do a diy for stuff you are trying to sell? or am i missing something?
beers
09-03-2009, 10:46 PM
#9
nope i have no idea, but i would ask him in private. so you are a vendor now?
Great, thanks for the advise I will ask him! I am trying to make a name, and learn as I build my car up for track! If I can help others get there without coughing up thousands for upgrades then my mission has not failed. Im investing money into making cool stuff fellow members can enjoy.
i will ask that in public! so you are selling brakes in the silvia crowd?
Feel Free, it's hard getting started, I apologize for helping others out. A couple years ago I was part of the silvia community, built my turbo setup from spare parts, needed upgraded stopping power and proceded to do what many other enthusiasts did. Upgrade a single to dual piston calipers, making a huge difference for under $100 bucks. Did my KA-T conversion for just over $1000!
dude i dont care, but own up and pay the dues.
If you didn't care then why be so hostile to someone that wants to help others? Ive asked for your input but received none, thanks for your support!
and btw, if you know team at all he would have you straight on some stuff you have messed up..
I didn't mean it to be so personal, it appears he benefited from changing the brakes and this is the point to be made. I would love to meet team, sounds like a cool individual. I have made and will make mistakes and have also corrected them to the best of my ability, sent new hardware to end link buyers today and a replacement set for FREE! money out of pocket here, but I just want to make things right.
you are trying to do a diy for stuff you are trying to sell? or am i missing something?
This is P U R E L Y a project for fun, I never considered making this for profit. If someone asks "Hey Lebren, can you send me a pair of end links, mine broke!" I am more than happy to lend a hand. If you think there's profit involved, you'd better guess again.
beers
Great, thanks for the advise I will ask him! I am trying to make a name, and learn as I build my car up for track! If I can help others get there without coughing up thousands for upgrades then my mission has not failed. Im investing money into making cool stuff fellow members can enjoy.
i will ask that in public! so you are selling brakes in the silvia crowd?
Feel Free, it's hard getting started, I apologize for helping others out. A couple years ago I was part of the silvia community, built my turbo setup from spare parts, needed upgraded stopping power and proceded to do what many other enthusiasts did. Upgrade a single to dual piston calipers, making a huge difference for under $100 bucks. Did my KA-T conversion for just over $1000!
dude i dont care, but own up and pay the dues.
If you didn't care then why be so hostile to someone that wants to help others? Ive asked for your input but received none, thanks for your support!
and btw, if you know team at all he would have you straight on some stuff you have messed up..
I didn't mean it to be so personal, it appears he benefited from changing the brakes and this is the point to be made. I would love to meet team, sounds like a cool individual. I have made and will make mistakes and have also corrected them to the best of my ability, sent new hardware to end link buyers today and a replacement set for FREE! money out of pocket here, but I just want to make things right.
you are trying to do a diy for stuff you are trying to sell? or am i missing something?
This is P U R E L Y a project for fun, I never considered making this for profit. If someone asks "Hey Lebren, can you send me a pair of end links, mine broke!" I am more than happy to lend a hand. If you think there's profit involved, you'd better guess again.
beers
09-04-2009, 03:32 AM
#10
sorry if you think i am hostile..
but the vendors pay the money. you are trying to slide by..
and if you were trying you would do your homework.. i am sure i mentioned the issue with your rear endlinks.. kinda gave a hint about how they should work..
so right now you are selling endlinks that break. but you touted them as great.
what next, brakes. this is not a science project here. brakes can get people killed..
and if you did your homework you would know that the stock brakes are very damn good.. even with the stock pads they are track worthy..
now the team comment. i am sure he just took a pass on this whole thing. not worth his time.. but i do know that he understands endlink length issues, as he was the first to bring it up..
the link you gave about teams brake warped issue has not mention of it.
if his stock rotors seem warped. my guess it was a pad deposit.. who knows how many different types of pads he has used!
i know many people running very, very hard on stock rotors. not an issue.. and many that think they have warped rotors, but dont..
i guess the biggest issue i have with you thread is the fact that this is posted in the diy section and it is just and advertisement..
where is the do it yourself?
and what was installed of done?
and btw, i always answer pm..
beers
but the vendors pay the money. you are trying to slide by..
and if you were trying you would do your homework.. i am sure i mentioned the issue with your rear endlinks.. kinda gave a hint about how they should work..
so right now you are selling endlinks that break. but you touted them as great.
what next, brakes. this is not a science project here. brakes can get people killed..
and if you did your homework you would know that the stock brakes are very damn good.. even with the stock pads they are track worthy..
now the team comment. i am sure he just took a pass on this whole thing. not worth his time.. but i do know that he understands endlink length issues, as he was the first to bring it up..
the link you gave about teams brake warped issue has not mention of it.
if his stock rotors seem warped. my guess it was a pad deposit.. who knows how many different types of pads he has used!
i know many people running very, very hard on stock rotors. not an issue.. and many that think they have warped rotors, but dont..
i guess the biggest issue i have with you thread is the fact that this is posted in the diy section and it is just and advertisement..
where is the do it yourself?
and what was installed of done?
and btw, i always answer pm..
beers
Last edited by swoope; 09-04-2009 at 03:35 AM.
09-04-2009, 02:29 PM
#11
Swoope,
I see where you are coming from, and for the records this is purely a DIY, I wanted to switch to a floating caliper from the sliding type. I hope you can realize this is not a commercial thread but for my own personal progress. That is if it is possible to get good results with the brakes I mentioned in the first thread. I do thank you and others for elaborating how well the stock calipers hold up.
Im still not sure how long is "ideal" for rear end links as you are very concerned with this. I have tried shortening a set and the only result is a very preloaded sway bar. You are correct, there was a set of end links the buyer had an issue with stripping. This can happen from a number of things, using an impact gun without properly initial threading is one possible reason. So far this is the only occasion this has happened, to show good faith I sent out Very strong Zink plated grade 8 Steel hardware and the "faulty" set is on it's way back for evaluation for a replacement set.
If there was large profit to be made from the inexpensive mods I make I would consider becoming a vendor, for now Group Buy is the only means feasible to find out if there's enough interest. This is the reason the LED Accent light is not offered directly through the site, only to those that are interested enough to pm. The End Links as you know are only offered through the Classifieds and there is only a limited quantity available. These could have been put into the Vendor Classifieds, but they have not moved. Continued interest keeps these within reach in the classifieds section. The Dually is a rendition of the Dipstick light with added second color.
I will pm you for more knowledge of end link length, that is if you are willing to share.
I see where you are coming from, and for the records this is purely a DIY, I wanted to switch to a floating caliper from the sliding type. I hope you can realize this is not a commercial thread but for my own personal progress. That is if it is possible to get good results with the brakes I mentioned in the first thread. I do thank you and others for elaborating how well the stock calipers hold up.
Im still not sure how long is "ideal" for rear end links as you are very concerned with this. I have tried shortening a set and the only result is a very preloaded sway bar. You are correct, there was a set of end links the buyer had an issue with stripping. This can happen from a number of things, using an impact gun without properly initial threading is one possible reason. So far this is the only occasion this has happened, to show good faith I sent out Very strong Zink plated grade 8 Steel hardware and the "faulty" set is on it's way back for evaluation for a replacement set.
If there was large profit to be made from the inexpensive mods I make I would consider becoming a vendor, for now Group Buy is the only means feasible to find out if there's enough interest. This is the reason the LED Accent light is not offered directly through the site, only to those that are interested enough to pm. The End Links as you know are only offered through the Classifieds and there is only a limited quantity available. These could have been put into the Vendor Classifieds, but they have not moved. Continued interest keeps these within reach in the classifieds section. The Dually is a rendition of the Dipstick light with added second color.
I will pm you for more knowledge of end link length, that is if you are willing to share.
11-14-2010, 08:38 AM
#12
To bring an old thread back from the dead... and to get back on the topic of brakes.
Brakes are a heat sink. They use the pad to metal friction to convert the speed of a vehicle to heat. Larger brakes have more surface area, and can absorb more heat. Going to a smaller brake wouldn't help with braking.
Also, with a smaller rotor trying to stop a heavier vehicle, you could run into some rotor warpage due to the rotors inability to move the heat away efficiently.
Brakes are a heat sink. They use the pad to metal friction to convert the speed of a vehicle to heat. Larger brakes have more surface area, and can absorb more heat. Going to a smaller brake wouldn't help with braking.
Also, with a smaller rotor trying to stop a heavier vehicle, you could run into some rotor warpage due to the rotors inability to move the heat away efficiently.
11-24-2010, 07:53 AM
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I have owned a turbo II. I also happened to run hawk blues. While that fc did have better initial bite, they in no way held up like the Rx8. Hard track use caused brake fade and disc warp. If its ONE thing Mazda unquestionably did right on the Rx8, it was the suspension/brakes. Read EVERY review on it. If your looking for a cost effective upgrade, hawk HP and steel lines. Easy. Simple. Effective. There's a reason brembo doesn't offer the "small" brake kit.
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