N2 on tires
09-29-2004, 03:32 AM
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N2 on tires
Hello All,
Just want to know if anybody has heared or tried the nitrogen on tire. Does it really imprive handling as they claim?
Thank you very much.
Just want to know if anybody has heared or tried the nitrogen on tire. Does it really imprive handling as they claim?
Thank you very much.
09-29-2004, 08:01 AM
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Yes, we have heard of using Nitrogen in tires. There are several threads in the Wheels and Tires forum section discussing this, if you do a search of that forum section for 'nitrogen' you'll find them very quickly.
No, it does absolutely nothing for improving handling or ride. See the previous discussions for details.
Regards,
Gordon
No, it does absolutely nothing for improving handling or ride. See the previous discussions for details.
Regards,
Gordon
09-29-2004, 08:48 AM
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The only thing nitrogen does is prevent the formation of moisture in the tire.
I guess the only positive effect it would have would be that the tire would not expand as much during operation due to a lack of water vapor. Thus not setting off the TPMS when internal pressures go up due to warming up of the tire. Regulare air would expand due to the presence of the water vapor in the tire. As this heats up the internal pressure would increase. Nitrogen on the other hand would expand a bit but not as much as regular pump air!
The use of nitrogen is done for corrosion control (in the acft industry and military). Since it is an inert gas it contains no water vapor so the inside of the wheel does not start to corrode. Corrosion leads to stress or metal fatigue which leads to premature failure. We use it in our acft tires/wheels because it makes the tire and wheels last longer.
I guess the only positive effect it would have would be that the tire would not expand as much during operation due to a lack of water vapor. Thus not setting off the TPMS when internal pressures go up due to warming up of the tire. Regulare air would expand due to the presence of the water vapor in the tire. As this heats up the internal pressure would increase. Nitrogen on the other hand would expand a bit but not as much as regular pump air!
The use of nitrogen is done for corrosion control (in the acft industry and military). Since it is an inert gas it contains no water vapor so the inside of the wheel does not start to corrode. Corrosion leads to stress or metal fatigue which leads to premature failure. We use it in our acft tires/wheels because it makes the tire and wheels last longer.
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09-29-2004, 09:03 AM
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[QUOTE=alphapenguin]Nitrogen makes up 78% of air by volume:-d.[/QUOTE
Correct but the other 22% is oxygen and other molecules. Thats what contains the moisture. The nitrogen you would be putting in the tire is 100% pure.
Correct but the other 22% is oxygen and other molecules. Thats what contains the moisture. The nitrogen you would be putting in the tire is 100% pure.
09-29-2004, 09:12 AM
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Unless you are:
1) An indy car, NASCAR or F1 team
2) Doing track days (in which case, you shouldn't be running your stock tires anyway)
3) have more money than brains
Then, this is a waste of time/money/effort. Your street tires will gain between 3 and 5 PSI as they heat up with driving. Nitrogen is used in racing applications because the dryness of it, and the pureness of it allows the crew chiefs to predict with amazing accuracy the pressure rise in the tires at they come up to racing temperature, and therefore manage this important component in car setup.
I've never had problems with corrosion in wheels in 25 years of driving cars with aluminum or magnesium alloy wheels, therefore the "air is dryer" argument also doesn't make sense either. In fact, most commercial air compressors have a dryer that they pass the air through anyway, and the act of compressing the air causes the water to precipitate out (that's why compressor tanks have drain plugs), so compressed air has less water vapor than regular air already.
Why am I wasting my time with this?
1) An indy car, NASCAR or F1 team
2) Doing track days (in which case, you shouldn't be running your stock tires anyway)
3) have more money than brains
Then, this is a waste of time/money/effort. Your street tires will gain between 3 and 5 PSI as they heat up with driving. Nitrogen is used in racing applications because the dryness of it, and the pureness of it allows the crew chiefs to predict with amazing accuracy the pressure rise in the tires at they come up to racing temperature, and therefore manage this important component in car setup.
I've never had problems with corrosion in wheels in 25 years of driving cars with aluminum or magnesium alloy wheels, therefore the "air is dryer" argument also doesn't make sense either. In fact, most commercial air compressors have a dryer that they pass the air through anyway, and the act of compressing the air causes the water to precipitate out (that's why compressor tanks have drain plugs), so compressed air has less water vapor than regular air already.
Why am I wasting my time with this?
09-30-2004, 06:49 PM
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^cause maybe you have no idea what you're talking about (no offense).
Some of your points are correct though...
On the other hand, I use N2 for 5 months now and I felt the differences from the first minute. Handling changes are not THAT noticeable but steering is much much better. Also the way the car moves over bumpy roads is better. I had big nail in my rear tire and not a single psi was lost. You don't need to check your pressure regularly. They say once in 6months, however I always check once a month (no changes at ALL in pressure)...
XQ1 check here https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-wheels-tires-brakes-suspension-55/whats-your-tires-check-out-26701/
...and 20bucks is not that much money now, is it? Come on...
Some of your points are correct though...
On the other hand, I use N2 for 5 months now and I felt the differences from the first minute. Handling changes are not THAT noticeable but steering is much much better. Also the way the car moves over bumpy roads is better. I had big nail in my rear tire and not a single psi was lost. You don't need to check your pressure regularly. They say once in 6months, however I always check once a month (no changes at ALL in pressure)...
XQ1 check here https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-wheels-tires-brakes-suspension-55/whats-your-tires-check-out-26701/
...and 20bucks is not that much money now, is it? Come on...
04-27-2007, 12:16 PM
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im thinking of making the switch. i was driving home on a zoom zoom road (full of corners). and my tpms light came on. my tires were at 49psi!!!!!!!!!! and i ususally run at about 38psi. i couldnt believe that 10 degrees in the air and the heat of driving made the pressure go up 11psi. anyway...from everything ive heard and read...nitro vs air...not a big difference other than the fact that nitro doesnt expand with heat or leak as much. but i think youll still have water vapor in your tires when you put nitro in unless they have never held air. but that my opinion. nascar uses nitro, planes use nitro, why dont cars
04-27-2007, 12:39 PM
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When I had my tires mounted and balanced the nitrogen fill was standard. The tires feel great but it would be impossible for me to assign credit amongst excellent balancing, great tires or pure nitrogen fill. I was told that nitrogen increases tire life by preventing oxidation, reducing moisture and improving pressure stability.
Work was done by tirebutler/tiremaxx
Work was done by tirebutler/tiremaxx
04-27-2007, 12:41 PM
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Nonsense.....
The Nitrogen-in-tires scam is alive and well.
F-1 teams use it because they have big bottles of it and it's 100% dry. (they also run their impacts and air tools on it, because of its pressure.)
The garbage information that's used to sell it would put a Slick-50 salesman to shame! I would use it if the shop does it for free, but to PAY for nitrogen is just insane.
As previously pointed out, ordinary compressed air is already 78% by volume, so there is NO way anyone could detect a difference in handling, cornering or braking performance, it's just not possible -
the argument implies that tires full of 100% oxygen would be sloppy, go flat in a week, and steer you into the ditch every day. Just ain't so.
"....they lose less pressure than air filled". Then the oxygen must be what leaked out, right?....which would leave just the N2, right? Makes no sense at all.
"The oxygen is what contains the moisture......", another fail mark in the physics class.
"I had a huge nail, and didn't lose a single PSI..." - now that's just self-delusion at work, trying to justify spending $20 for a puff of gas.
enuff, rant over.
S
F-1 teams use it because they have big bottles of it and it's 100% dry. (they also run their impacts and air tools on it, because of its pressure.)
The garbage information that's used to sell it would put a Slick-50 salesman to shame! I would use it if the shop does it for free, but to PAY for nitrogen is just insane.
As previously pointed out, ordinary compressed air is already 78% by volume, so there is NO way anyone could detect a difference in handling, cornering or braking performance, it's just not possible -
the argument implies that tires full of 100% oxygen would be sloppy, go flat in a week, and steer you into the ditch every day. Just ain't so."....they lose less pressure than air filled". Then the oxygen must be what leaked out, right?....which would leave just the N2, right? Makes no sense at all.
"The oxygen is what contains the moisture......", another fail mark in the physics class.
"I had a huge nail, and didn't lose a single PSI..." - now that's just self-delusion at work, trying to justify spending $20 for a puff of gas.
enuff, rant over.
S
04-27-2007, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by StealthTL
The Nitrogen-in-tires scam is alive and well.
F-1 teams use it because they have big bottles of it and it's 100% dry. (they also run their impacts and air tools on it, because of it's pressure.)
The garbage information that's used to sell it would put a Slick-50 salesman to shame! I would use it if the shop does it for free, but to PAY for nitrogen is just insane.
As previously pointed out, ordinary compressed air is already 78% by volume, so there is NO way anyone could detect a difference in handling, cornering or braking performance, it's just not possible - the argument implies that tires full of 100% oxygen would be sloppy, go flat in a week, and steer you into the ditch every day. Just ain't so.
"....they lose less pressure than air filled". Then the oxygen must be what leaked out, right?....which would leave just the N2, right? Makes no sense at all.
"The oxygen is what contains the moisture......", another fail mark in the physics class.
"I had a huge nail, and didn't lose a single PSI..." - now that's just self-delusion at work, trying to justify spending $20 for a puff of gas.
enuff, rant over.
S
F-1 teams use it because they have big bottles of it and it's 100% dry. (they also run their impacts and air tools on it, because of it's pressure.)
The garbage information that's used to sell it would put a Slick-50 salesman to shame! I would use it if the shop does it for free, but to PAY for nitrogen is just insane.
As previously pointed out, ordinary compressed air is already 78% by volume, so there is NO way anyone could detect a difference in handling, cornering or braking performance, it's just not possible -
the argument implies that tires full of 100% oxygen would be sloppy, go flat in a week, and steer you into the ditch every day. Just ain't so."....they lose less pressure than air filled". Then the oxygen must be what leaked out, right?....which would leave just the N2, right? Makes no sense at all.
"The oxygen is what contains the moisture......", another fail mark in the physics class.
"I had a huge nail, and didn't lose a single PSI..." - now that's just self-delusion at work, trying to justify spending $20 for a puff of gas.
enuff, rant over.
S
05-02-2007, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by RotorManiac
^cause maybe you have no idea what you're talking about (no offense).
Some of your points are correct though...
On the other hand, I use N2 for 5 months now and I felt the differences from the first minute. Handling changes are not THAT noticeable but steering is much much better. Also the way the car moves over bumpy roads is better. I had big nail in my rear tire and not a single psi was lost. You don't need to check your pressure regularly. They say once in 6months, however I always check once a month (no changes at ALL in pressure)...
XQ1 check here https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=26701
...and 20bucks is not that much money now, is it? Come on...
Some of your points are correct though...
On the other hand, I use N2 for 5 months now and I felt the differences from the first minute. Handling changes are not THAT noticeable but steering is much much better. Also the way the car moves over bumpy roads is better. I had big nail in my rear tire and not a single psi was lost. You don't need to check your pressure regularly. They say once in 6months, however I always check once a month (no changes at ALL in pressure)...
XQ1 check here https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=26701
...and 20bucks is not that much money now, is it? Come on...
FS
05-02-2007, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by RotorManiac
Also the way the car moves over bumpy roads is better.
If you like nitrogen, I'd recommend pure hydrogen instead! You'll make you car MUCH lighter and not only will it handle better, it'll practically FLOAT over dem bumps
But for starters, I'd recommend going back to school and focusing on a science cirriculum, it's amazing what has been discovered over the years about all kinds of things.
05-02-2007, 03:37 PM
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I'm going to start selling sugar placebo pills on here that say they make you drive faster for longer. I will package them in bottles that are nitrogen filled so that the delivery trucks get better gas mileage and never get lost.
I think formula cars used to run magnesium compressor wheels. I want me one of them!
I think formula cars used to run magnesium compressor wheels. I want me one of them!
05-04-2007, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Spin9k
If you like nitrogen, I'd recommend pure hydrogen instead! You'll make you car MUCH lighter and not only will it handle better, it'll practically FLOAT over dem bumps But for starters, I'd recommend going back to school and focusing on a science cirriculum, it's amazing what has been discovered over the years about all kinds of things.
But for starters, I'd recommend going back to school and focusing on a science cirriculum, it's amazing what has been discovered over the years about all kinds of things.since I studied a lot of chemistry in the university, I don't need a cirriculum
now, as for the 'attitude', no one needs that too...
I can tell a difference when I see one. I'm no loverboy, just making his car shine and cruise it around. I track it for fun, abuse it, race it and pull it's heart out when I see fit. hell, I prefer spending $20 for a puff of gas and 10minutes of my time to try nitrogen, than washing my car or buying myself a beer...
wtf you guys make it sound like its an engine swap or FI your vehicle... and, after all, I was talking about my country, where tires loose presure very easily due to tragic road conditions. nitro helps, believe it or not. especially in a curcuit. anyway, who cares...?
matter of fact, my falkens now have air in them
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05-05-2007, 11:03 AM
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Off-Topic Magnesium, while it is light weight, it is expensive and has a big safety problem. It burns hot. The standard fire extinguishers can't put out a mag fire. A mag fire will still burn fully immersed under water. You need a special Class D fire extinguisher to put them out.
05-07-2007, 08:42 AM
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since I studied a lot of chemistry in the university, I don't need a cirriculum
now, as for the 'attitude', no one needs that too...
I can tell a difference when I see one. I'm no loverboy, just making his car shine and cruise it around. I track it for fun, abuse it, race it and pull it's heart out when I see fit. hell, I prefer spending $20 for a puff of gas and 10minutes of my time to try nitrogen, than washing my car or buying myself a beer...
wtf you guys make it sound like its an engine swap or FI your vehicle... and, after all, I was talking about my country, where tires loose presure very easily due to tragic road conditions. nitro helps, believe it or not. especially in a curcuit. anyway, who cares...?
matter of fact, my falkens now have air in them
now, as for the 'attitude', no one needs that too...
I can tell a difference when I see one. I'm no loverboy, just making his car shine and cruise it around. I track it for fun, abuse it, race it and pull it's heart out when I see fit. hell, I prefer spending $20 for a puff of gas and 10minutes of my time to try nitrogen, than washing my car or buying myself a beer...
wtf you guys make it sound like its an engine swap or FI your vehicle... and, after all, I was talking about my country, where tires loose presure very easily due to tragic road conditions. nitro helps, believe it or not. especially in a curcuit. anyway, who cares...?
matter of fact, my falkens now have air in them
I fill my tires with pure toast.
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