When 20's is not enough...
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Hey Ezzy, if you can read this topic, please let me know about the Australian guy who put 22's at the rear.
Mugatu says that 30's fits, but i don't trust him he's too jealous
I wont go bigger than 22, i promise.
Mugatu says that 30's fits, but i don't trust him he's too jealous
I wont go bigger than 22, i promise.
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i agree........you got ot love the internet. hehe i'm waiting for some one to set a tiem and place to meet after school to RUMBLE..hehe ah that woudl be clasic..and good news i got my digital camera back tso i can document it all
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Thanks for the great read, I really needed it. :D As for your car... It's yours, you can do whatever you want to it. More power to you man.
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Originally Posted by dankgummy
why is everyone giving this guy sh#t?
Originally Posted by JO8
i definitively didn't lose a bit of whatever people said i was supposed to lose
It's a fact that increasing by 3% the overall diameter of the wheel will (in theory) give 3% less acceleration.
- Larger overall tire diameter (with everything else equal) means less effective torque. Less torque means slower acceleration.
- Heavier rim and tire weight means more torque is required to achieve the same rate of acceleration. Since torque remains the same this means slower acceleration.
- Bigger rim diameters means the bulk of the rim's weight is farther from the center. Moving weight farther away results in a higher polar moment of inertia, which again means more torque is required to achieve the same rate of acceleration. If you don't know what "polar moment of interia" means do a google search. Not only is the weight farther away, there's more of it since you need more metal to make a larger circle.
PS. I've know the GTechPro. It's a toy that amateurs who play at performance use.
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Because he claims 20" rims have absolutely no effect on performance.
Yet he contradicted himself by saying this:
You may be good in physics, but your reading is poor.
#58
Ok guys. Enough theory.
GIVE US THE NUMBERS.
0-60 mph stockers ?
0-60 mph "pimp 20's" ?
You want to demonstrate (or convince) be that i'm an ignorant-pimp-moron ?
No problem. But do your job better, blabla is not enough.
PROOF, ACTUAL RESULTS, REAL TESTS NEEDED
GIVE US THE NUMBERS.
0-60 mph stockers ?
0-60 mph "pimp 20's" ?
You want to demonstrate (or convince) be that i'm an ignorant-pimp-moron ?
No problem. But do your job better, blabla is not enough.
PROOF, ACTUAL RESULTS, REAL TESTS NEEDED
#59
Originally Posted by JO8
Of course.
Please teach me, Master.
I repeat:
20's on a DAILY DRIVER RX8 ::: IT'S ABSOLUTELY OK.
Of course it may have BARELY NOTICEABLE changes on brake, acceleration, etc... BUT
I CAN'T FEEL IT.
Neither 3 others rx-8 owners who tried my car.
You know when i feel the change ? When i put A/C. THAT'S a f*uckin change. Got the picture ?
You got fiber carbon 5lbs rims ? Good for you. If you can go 2mph faster and you,re happy with it, fine. But don't spread the word on this site that 20's will ruin the ride: it's NOT true and absolutely misleading for new members.
Please teach me, Master.
I repeat:
20's on a DAILY DRIVER RX8 ::: IT'S ABSOLUTELY OK.
Of course it may have BARELY NOTICEABLE changes on brake, acceleration, etc... BUT
I CAN'T FEEL IT.
Neither 3 others rx-8 owners who tried my car.
You know when i feel the change ? When i put A/C. THAT'S a f*uckin change. Got the picture ?
You got fiber carbon 5lbs rims ? Good for you. If you can go 2mph faster and you,re happy with it, fine. But don't spread the word on this site that 20's will ruin the ride: it's NOT true and absolutely misleading for new members.
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I thought it was common knowledge that bigger wheels after a certain size will decrease performance? The weight alone will slow your car down, your speedometer is wrong now also. The wheels don't really look bad (not my taste--I like chrome but that style isn't doing it for me)--but your performance is definately compromised--did you weigh those rims?
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Originally Posted by DreRX8
I thought it was common knowledge that bigger wheels after a certain size will decrease performance? The weight alone will slow your car down, your speedometer is wrong now also. The wheels don't really look bad (not my taste--I like chrome but that style isn't doing it for me)--but your performance is definately compromised--did you weigh those rims?
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Well, my 2¢ -
If he likes them, he likes them. Why give him crap? There is no accounting for taste because it is 100% subjective.
I bet NONE of us have actually G-Tech'ed or dyno'ed before and after wheel changes. I know I haven't.
I run 19" wheels because I like them. I went out of my way to get wheels that had less mass than the stock wheels to help counteract the inertial issue. Fact is, I can discern absolutely no difference between the stock wheels/tires and my current setup except my wet traction is better. That is the tires.
At 99/100 on a closed course, the car handles the same and the ride is unchanged.
Will it dyno lower? Who knows.
I have a turbo to make up the difference.
If he likes them, he likes them. Why give him crap? There is no accounting for taste because it is 100% subjective.
I bet NONE of us have actually G-Tech'ed or dyno'ed before and after wheel changes. I know I haven't.
I run 19" wheels because I like them. I went out of my way to get wheels that had less mass than the stock wheels to help counteract the inertial issue. Fact is, I can discern absolutely no difference between the stock wheels/tires and my current setup except my wet traction is better. That is the tires.
At 99/100 on a closed course, the car handles the same and the ride is unchanged.
Will it dyno lower? Who knows.
I have a turbo to make up the difference.
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Originally Posted by JO8
You may be good in physics, but your reading is poor.
Claiming you don't feel any difference is not the same as saying you definitively didn't lose a bit of whatever people said you were supposed to lose. The former statement is basically what I said in my first post. It's the latter statement that's untrue.
PS. In the words of Bogart, stop trying to attack other people's strengths through your own weaknesses. Mugatu earns a decent wage and I'm not an idiot.
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if your not 1st your last
braking is not as stock,I feel a difference but not major.
but ride is perfect and my car hooks better than stockers,but mainly cause of the tires.
some of you are forgetting that mazda designed the rx8 with 20" wheels
but JO8 22'' your nuts
but ride is perfect and my car hooks better than stockers,but mainly cause of the tires.
some of you are forgetting that mazda designed the rx8 with 20" wheels
but JO8 22'' your nuts
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Originally Posted by Kel Rx8
some of you are forgetting that mazda designed the rx8 with 20" wheels
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Oh where's denial? I want to move there too!!
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Hey Kel RX8,
I know you have probably answered these questions a few times on this forum, but can you answer them for me without making me look it all up? I really like your set up, great looking car. What are your wheel sizes and offsets, and did you have to roll the fenders? Thanks for any info.
To anyone looking at 20's, this is the way to go. Classy and sexy all rolled into one car. Good show..........
I know you have probably answered these questions a few times on this forum, but can you answer them for me without making me look it all up? I really like your set up, great looking car. What are your wheel sizes and offsets, and did you have to roll the fenders? Thanks for any info.
To anyone looking at 20's, this is the way to go. Classy and sexy all rolled into one car. Good show..........
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
No, they didn't. The RX-8 was designed around and was supposed to roll into production with 19" wheels but they pulled back to 18" at the last second (end of 2002) because there wasn't enough availability of tires in that size at the time.
designed around 20'' but only a concept.
http://media.ford.com/rx_evolv/
theres tons of stories on the original design and all have 20 wheels.
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im gonna shot you a P/M in the morning, thanks.
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trying to be neutral here, even though im one of the very frist few ppl got the 20's here in australia
anyway, there ARE differences between factory 18's and aftermarket 20's..
- physical size difference, but you'd try to keep the overall diameter close to factory, therefore the speedo readings are similar
- weight difference, but you'd be surprised with today's technology, it is possible to get a set of 20's with similar weight to the factory 18's. with 20's, you are carrying less air, and therefore less water particles.... correct me if im wrong :p
- ride comfort, 18"s have thicker profile, therefore it'd be more comfortable than 20"s with thinner profile, it also depends on what type of roads you travel the most. there are certain roads here in sydney i will not get on, even if i have to make a detour.
- braking, there will be a difference, but not big enough to be dangerous. +2 size upgrade is very common amongst high-end car companies. my other mazda came with 14" factory steelies, and i have upgraded to 15's, then 17"s, then 18"s then 19"s. as soon as i got to 17" combo, i have done a minor brake system upgrade, and when i got the 18"s, i upgraded again, but thats a +3/+4 size upgrade, similar to the ones mentioned here from 15" to 18".
i have 20"x8.5" and 245/35 tyres all round, lowered springs and adjustable swaybars front and rear, im happy with it, and for me its a perfect daily driver combo. if im taking the 8 to a track day, then i'd stupid not to put smaller wheel/tyre combo on it.
some points mentioned in this thread are vaild, but some are shallowminded.
some ppl asked me why did i put 20"s on my car, i always told them "because i can".
anyway, better go now
ps. JO8, the one with 22"s looks funny. he had 20"s front and 22"s rear combo, and the 8 sits on an angle. the rear looked weird. the main reason he did that is because he has a wheels/tyres business here in australia, and he uses the 8 as one if his promo cars
anyway, there ARE differences between factory 18's and aftermarket 20's..
- physical size difference, but you'd try to keep the overall diameter close to factory, therefore the speedo readings are similar
- weight difference, but you'd be surprised with today's technology, it is possible to get a set of 20's with similar weight to the factory 18's. with 20's, you are carrying less air, and therefore less water particles.... correct me if im wrong :p
- ride comfort, 18"s have thicker profile, therefore it'd be more comfortable than 20"s with thinner profile, it also depends on what type of roads you travel the most. there are certain roads here in sydney i will not get on, even if i have to make a detour.
- braking, there will be a difference, but not big enough to be dangerous. +2 size upgrade is very common amongst high-end car companies. my other mazda came with 14" factory steelies, and i have upgraded to 15's, then 17"s, then 18"s then 19"s. as soon as i got to 17" combo, i have done a minor brake system upgrade, and when i got the 18"s, i upgraded again, but thats a +3/+4 size upgrade, similar to the ones mentioned here from 15" to 18".
i have 20"x8.5" and 245/35 tyres all round, lowered springs and adjustable swaybars front and rear, im happy with it, and for me its a perfect daily driver combo. if im taking the 8 to a track day, then i'd stupid not to put smaller wheel/tyre combo on it.
some points mentioned in this thread are vaild, but some are shallowminded.
some ppl asked me why did i put 20"s on my car, i always told them "because i can".
anyway, better go now
ps. JO8, the one with 22"s looks funny. he had 20"s front and 22"s rear combo, and the 8 sits on an angle. the rear looked weird. the main reason he did that is because he has a wheels/tyres business here in australia, and he uses the 8 as one if his promo cars
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Originally Posted by PUR NRG
Not according to the College Board. Scored 800 in verbal. My IQ is in the 135 range too. But enough dick waving. Let me put it to you in your own words:
Claiming you don't feel any difference is not the same as saying you definitively didn't lose a bit of whatever people said you were supposed to lose. The former statement is basically what I said in my first post. It's the latter statement that's untrue.
PS. In the words of Bogart, stop trying to attack other people's strengths through your own weaknesses. Mugatu earns a decent wage and I'm not an idiot.
Claiming you don't feel any difference is not the same as saying you definitively didn't lose a bit of whatever people said you were supposed to lose. The former statement is basically what I said in my first post. It's the latter statement that's untrue.
PS. In the words of Bogart, stop trying to attack other people's strengths through your own weaknesses. Mugatu earns a decent wage and I'm not an idiot.
wish i had a 800 in the verbal...but if i did i'm sure my spelling woudl be loads better. l0ol and we all knw othat isn't the case.
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hehehehe...yes instead of the stoke 225/45/18's i got 245/40/18...wider tires with a sligthly lower profile......but same rims....this thread is about rims baby i got 18's :p
hehe and by the way congrats on the first counted post :D
i just don't have the d'oh for the bling bling hehehehe
hehe and by the way congrats on the first counted post :D
i just don't have the d'oh for the bling bling hehehehe
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thankfully, otherwise you'd prob have to find a new significant other...good luck with that padunkadunk search! oh, and thanks for noticing my first officially counted one, even though i've posted about 5 times. quick reply's don't count?