Notices
Series II Technical and Trouble shooting Discuss technical details for the Series II RX-8 and any issues or problems you are facing

Similar noise in my car, thoughts?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Rate Thread
 
Old 01-13-2012 | 07:30 AM
  #26  
paimon.soror's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 7,560
Likes: 27
From: Between Cones
Originally Posted by Spin9k
To isolate I would disconnect the bar (both sides) and if the noise stops.....it's the bar or links or bushings.

...if it doesn't well, there you go... not bar related.
That's what I will try next just to get that out of the way. Was getting late last night so it will have to wait till i get home from work today

Originally Posted by godesshunter
Also a thought... Try placing your hand on various suspension components while the pop happens. Maybe you will feel it and have a better idea of where to look. Where in ct are you? Maybe you can stop by my shop and we can throw it up on the lift real quick. Im in Old Saybrook.
I am up near vernon so it is a bit of a hike. But honestly if I dont resolve this I may eventually take you up on that offer. Thanks!

Originally Posted by TeamRX8
The swaybar movement is normal. That is a huge bar; 1.25" OD x 0.25" wall, so it generates a lot of force. The only way to control it further is with metal bushings rather than poly.

As far as the noise, if you can't isolate that I'm thinking you must be deaf or something ...
Haha right!? the rediculous thing is that the noise is traveling. Seriously I sound like a psychopath but my GF and I were trying to find the noise, and we would hear it in one place ... then would get down there to really take a look and reproduce the noise, and then it would happen in another place.

Originally Posted by ASH8
Yep, like Spin9K, I thought similar, why don't you disconnect the end drop links and then try it again?..

But now I think you are saying it is steering related?
I can only assume because the noise stopped happening last night, and only started again after I would jack up, jack down, then turn the steering wheel.

And yeah, you got a big Sway Bar there...could, I say 'could' the movement/strength of such a heavy/strong/stiff S Bar be problematic?

That is 'creating your noise issue', is the other side of the car loaded (on the ground or up in the air) when you jack off! (sorry had to say it).
Other side is on the ground w/ no driver side load (no one in the car/ no simulated driver weight).

Look you may not think so, but Mazda really have engineered these cars pretty precisely, additional weight/force/tension or pre-load just might be creating your problem.

I checked out the Lower Control Arms on the S2 (new and specific for the S2), against the NC MX-5's which are identical apart from heavier alloy (Metal) at each of the bushed wrist joints and very slightly thicker arms, only by a few millimeter, but when you pick them up and compare there is a noticeable difference in weight, the S2's are heavier....that is my engineering tolerances point of view!
Again, 'could' the S Bar cause the Lower Arm and or it's Ball Joint to knock or twist slightly, or the LCA rubberized wrist bushes and metal sleeve and bolt to cross member move slightly?
My concern is that if I disconnect the links, and the noise stops that could mean a few things. That either the bar is in some way making the noise or the link is causing some tension on other components when the car's suspension is not level. I guess I will find out

Also I am not sure if it is apparant from the video's but I tried to record right near the LCA's to see if the noise was coming from there / if i could see movement, and as crazy as this sounds, it almost sounds like the noise is somewhere towards the center between the motor mount and the cat. At the moment that is the best guess isolation that I have.

Last edited by paimon.soror; 01-13-2012 at 07:36 AM.
Old 01-13-2012 | 07:46 AM
  #27  
TeamRX8's Avatar
Registered
iTrader: (25)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 26,869
Likes: 2,083
the first thing I would do is put a wrench on any and every bolt I could lay my eyes on

I had a knocking noise that drove me nuts for a while, sounded like the RF suspension, but eventually figured out it was loose bolts on the RH side of the the brace that is bolted across the rear of the front subframe

you might try putting the front up on jackstands with both wheels off the ground and then jack up one side, it will allow you to get under the car and try to locate it better *if* it will still make the noise with the car lifted


.

Last edited by TeamRX8; 01-13-2012 at 07:49 AM.
Old 01-13-2012 | 07:51 AM
  #28  
paimon.soror's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 7,560
Likes: 27
From: Between Cones
Thanks for the reply. Will surely be spending some time under the car today hunting. Good thing is I have the workshop manual so I have all the torque specs handy.
Old 01-13-2012 | 12:39 PM
  #29  
paimon.soror's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 7,560
Likes: 27
From: Between Cones
So I have been thinking about this all day at work, and in my idle time been listening to the youtube vids i took. ASH said something that kinda hit home that I will have to thoroughly check when I get the car up, and that is the LCA/UCA bushings. I have said that I heard the noise coming close to the middle of the car, right behind the motor mount... our LCA vertical bolt is there. Now the car is only 2 yrs old, 12500mi on it, but because I am lowered, what are the odds that i put some extra strain on the bushing there?

I did check the torque of that bolt, and it is up to spec (100ftlb) ... but that doesn't mean that the bushing is shredded up on the inside.

The only thing that has me saying that it might not be that is there is no feedback in the steering when i am hearing the noise ... I would assume that any non-rotational movement of the CA's would change the camber/caster of the wheel right?

I will have to lift up the car and disconnect the endlinks to get some good play on the control arms, but till then I am so distracted from my work lol.
Old 01-13-2012 | 04:03 PM
  #30  
TeamRX8's Avatar
Registered
iTrader: (25)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 26,869
Likes: 2,083
I think you are off base on the control arm bushings, they would only make that kind of noise if the mouting bolt wasn't tight enough and the inner metal bushing sleeve the bolt passes through was moving within it's clearance play and slapping against the bolt as the control arm moved
Old 01-13-2012 | 06:04 PM
  #31  
paimon.soror's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 7,560
Likes: 27
From: Between Cones
Well... i am pretty embarassed and frankly hate myself right now. So after looking at random bolts i decided to look at the torque specs of the sump guard. Low and behold i was way off the 20ftlb spec. After meeting the spec and driving the car......sound seems to be gone. I am at dinner now and will know for sure when i pull into my driveway.

Pretty ticked off at myself.
Old 01-13-2012 | 06:26 PM
  #32  
Spin9k's Avatar
Momentum Keeps Me Going
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 5,036
Likes: 4
From: Colorado
Look at the bright side. If that was it, you've fixed the problem. That's success and better than the alternative.
Old 01-13-2012 | 07:29 PM
  #33  
ASH8's Avatar
Super Moderator
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 10,869
Likes: 327
From: Australia
Your kidding Paimon....the S2 alloy Sump Guard!!??..gee I just tighten up mine until they are firm...yours must have been pretty sloppy, 7 bolts for memory.

Trying to get my head around the Guard moving enough to make that noise when jacking up, I guess it could flex that much?, ....but then I though "steering" was a thought of the noise?

Good to see it is fixed.
Old 01-13-2012 | 07:57 PM
  #34  
paimon.soror's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 7,560
Likes: 27
From: Between Cones
Well i just got home, and every spot the car made a noise now no longer is an issue .... i can't wrap my head around that either, must have been the flexing caused by the guard across the bolts? I really dont know... all i know is that i am excited it is fixed, and ashamed at my noobness.
Old 01-13-2012 | 08:30 PM
  #35  
godesshunter's Avatar
Voids warranties
 
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,632
Likes: 0
From: southern new england
Perhaps a little structural integrity can be added to the list in addition to protection for those who ask about running with it removed.
Old 01-14-2012 | 07:14 PM
  #36  
ASH8's Avatar
Super Moderator
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 10,869
Likes: 327
From: Australia
/\ Agree...it is all there for a reason, perhaps more than one, or two on this occasion...it would want to be at around $335...
Old 01-18-2012 | 01:33 PM
  #37  
TeamRX8's Avatar
Registered
iTrader: (25)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 26,869
Likes: 2,083
having been there and done that I can empathize ....
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
SayDfuse
RX-8 Discussion
5
11-21-2015 03:35 PM
9krpmrx8
Series I Trouble Shooting
23
11-06-2015 12:45 AM
dbarber
Series I Trouble Shooting
14
07-25-2015 02:34 PM
T_Mags
New Member Forum
9
07-24-2015 12:29 PM
Belalnabi
New Member Forum
9
07-17-2015 08:48 PM



You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:22 PM.