Inviting Kane up to teach us about engine tuning
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Inviting Kane up to teach us about engine tuning
Alright - this is for the NY and NJ guys (or more, if people of other states wanna drive in).
Who would be interested in having Kane come up to do a 1-2 day lesson on tuning the 8? His lesson plan includes:
Here is my summary from the Queens meet thread:
Kane doesn't require too much in travel and stay - a plane trip would be best for him ($150 round trip) vs the drive because he's snowed in down there. He's available from now till the 20th of February. He can stay in a hotel, or he can stay with one of us if we're willing. He charges a flat $500 for the class, which would cover up to two days of classes. So if we have more people, chipping in, it'll benefit us more. The airfare is an estimate for now.
He'll teach us how to understand flash tuning (AP/Hymee), and if we want to, he can teach us Int-X, AEM, etc. He can also do other cars besides the RX-8. It's the basics of understanding how the air-fuel maps, MAF scaling, and various engine factors that affect your tune.
He can show us how the tune differs between a NA car and a FI car. If we volunteer a NA car and a FI car, it'll help. I'm willing to volunteer mine - unless someone else wants to. He is not tuning the car just for the person who volunteered. He is showing us how to tune - that is the main reason we're doing this. If you want to learn how, this is the opportunity. You might want to expand on the learning in the future, but that's up to you. If you just want to get a tune for your car, this is not the event for you.
We'd just need a place where we can hang together and have him explain everything to us. Access to the volunteer cars will be best (i.e. someone's place) so we can see how the tuning directly affects the outputs.
If you guys are seriously interested in this event, let me know. I'll PM each and everyone of you are are seriously interested. I can't say how much it'll cost each of us until I figure out how many of us are there, and what the exact costs of him getting here are. If there are only 3 or 4 of us interested, it probably will still be worth it. Remember, this is for us to understand how engine tuning works - not just with the AP, but overall.
If we attend as a group, the chances of us all understanding how it works will increase. After all, if one of us doesn't get it, someone else might. Then we can help each other out. If you do not feel comfortable tuning your car, don't feel obligated to jump at this opportunity. I cannot compare Kane to MM. They are different people - but Kane has shown that he is very capable. If you just want to buy a tune from someone, get it from MM. You might still buy the tunes from MM after this class. I'm trying to set this up so I can understand how to tune the rotary.
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If you guys are interested, post here and I will pm each of you. Please consider this seriously. The more of us that learn about this, the better off we are as a community!
P.S. Kane, if you wish to add anything to this, feel free or PM me. Thanks!
Who would be interested in having Kane come up to do a 1-2 day lesson on tuning the 8? His lesson plan includes:
Activities:
Read and Diagnose problems in Engine Logs and Dyno's
Project Vehicles
Intro to Engine Physics (Gas Laws)
How Air Impacts Engine
VE, CAI, Ram Air
Engine Cycle
Explosions - aka Brisance
EFI Tuning / Carb Tuning
MAP vs MAF vs Combo Tuning
Common Mods (Facts and Myths)
Static vs Dynamic Compression
Torque vs Horsepower
Intake / Exhaust Info
Cam Info (including Reversion) *If anyone has Cams*
Porting and Polishing Info
Turbo Info
Supercharger Info
NO2
Fuel Injector Math
FI Special Considerations
How to read, design, and source compressors
Packaging Constraints
Build vs Buy
Tuning Considerations
For FI on an NA Motor
For FI on an FI Motor
Variable Valve Timing *** If anyone has it ***
Ignition Systems / Cooling and Fueling
Planning for a Tuning Session
Knowing your EMS
MAP / MAF Styles (all in the Load)
Piggyback
Stand Alone
PCM Flash
Step by Step Tuning Guide
Sensors
Base Map
Engine VE Model
Plan for Scaling
Cruising Tuning
Map Engine Airflow
Plan for Fueling
Map Engine Fueling
Variations in Target AFR
WOT Tuning
Idle Tuning (last and the least fun)
Tuning Timing
EGT
Dyno
By “Feel” - Least Accurate
Tuning the “Extras”
Cooling
AT
Redline
Ignition
Documenting the Tuning Process
Planning and Conducting a Dyno Tuning Session
Baseline Dyno
Analyze and Document Results
Retune
Tune for Power
Redo Street Tune
When are you “Done” - if ever
Plan for new modifications before you install them.
Read and Diagnose problems in Engine Logs and Dyno's
Project Vehicles
Intro to Engine Physics (Gas Laws)
How Air Impacts Engine
VE, CAI, Ram Air
Engine Cycle
Explosions - aka Brisance
EFI Tuning / Carb Tuning
MAP vs MAF vs Combo Tuning
Common Mods (Facts and Myths)
Static vs Dynamic Compression
Torque vs Horsepower
Intake / Exhaust Info
Cam Info (including Reversion) *If anyone has Cams*
Porting and Polishing Info
Turbo Info
Supercharger Info
NO2
Fuel Injector Math
FI Special Considerations
How to read, design, and source compressors
Packaging Constraints
Build vs Buy
Tuning Considerations
For FI on an NA Motor
For FI on an FI Motor
Variable Valve Timing *** If anyone has it ***
Ignition Systems / Cooling and Fueling
Planning for a Tuning Session
Knowing your EMS
MAP / MAF Styles (all in the Load)
Piggyback
Stand Alone
PCM Flash
Step by Step Tuning Guide
Sensors
Base Map
Engine VE Model
Plan for Scaling
Cruising Tuning
Map Engine Airflow
Plan for Fueling
Map Engine Fueling
Variations in Target AFR
WOT Tuning
Idle Tuning (last and the least fun)
Tuning Timing
EGT
Dyno
By “Feel” - Least Accurate
Tuning the “Extras”
Cooling
AT
Redline
Ignition
Documenting the Tuning Process
Planning and Conducting a Dyno Tuning Session
Baseline Dyno
Analyze and Document Results
Retune
Tune for Power
Redo Street Tune
When are you “Done” - if ever
Plan for new modifications before you install them.
Kane doesn't require too much in travel and stay - a plane trip would be best for him ($150 round trip) vs the drive because he's snowed in down there. He's available from now till the 20th of February. He can stay in a hotel, or he can stay with one of us if we're willing. He charges a flat $500 for the class, which would cover up to two days of classes. So if we have more people, chipping in, it'll benefit us more. The airfare is an estimate for now.
Plane ticket from Newport News, VA or I could drive... but I am thinking that isn't worth it....flights are pretty cheap these days. I have done a few of these, they take a very full day or two chill days....
Hotel or crash at someone's house... I am easy either way. And for RX8 folks I'd do it for a flat $500 plus expenses. So if you want to do one day or two it doesn't matter to me....
If you wanted to be cheap you could fly me in (about $150 I guess), I'll crash at someone's house and run the class over a day or two - so the whole thing would be about 650 in that case.
Hotel or crash at someone's house... I am easy either way. And for RX8 folks I'd do it for a flat $500 plus expenses. So if you want to do one day or two it doesn't matter to me....
If you wanted to be cheap you could fly me in (about $150 I guess), I'll crash at someone's house and run the class over a day or two - so the whole thing would be about 650 in that case.
I'll tune at least one car start to finish and walk everyone else through the AP or Hymee etc - flash tuners in general. If you have folks with others like the emanagae Int-X or AEM etc, Mazdaspeed 3-6, STI whatever it's cool I cover those too.
We'd just need a place where we can hang together and have him explain everything to us. Access to the volunteer cars will be best (i.e. someone's place) so we can see how the tuning directly affects the outputs.
Cool man let me know... the one upside of a hotel I guess is guests can use the conference room usually for free I think....though the actual tuning process could easily take place at someone's crib or a dyno etc since you are the ones driving them around to get logs... HEHE
I could do an APexi PFC on a 7 pretty easy, if there are no FI 8's I can just walk everyone through the difference from say mine or J Cab's tune and your NA ones.
I could do an APexi PFC on a 7 pretty easy, if there are no FI 8's I can just walk everyone through the difference from say mine or J Cab's tune and your NA ones.
If we attend as a group, the chances of us all understanding how it works will increase. After all, if one of us doesn't get it, someone else might. Then we can help each other out. If you do not feel comfortable tuning your car, don't feel obligated to jump at this opportunity. I cannot compare Kane to MM. They are different people - but Kane has shown that he is very capable. If you just want to buy a tune from someone, get it from MM. You might still buy the tunes from MM after this class. I'm trying to set this up so I can understand how to tune the rotary.
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If you guys are interested, post here and I will pm each of you. Please consider this seriously. The more of us that learn about this, the better off we are as a community!
P.S. Kane, if you wish to add anything to this, feel free or PM me. Thanks!
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No travel required, the dates are flexible and I use an open feedback environment that allows it to be more like a classroom than just some WEB page.
Having someone there to explain the process is pretty awesome, for sure.
But it isn't the only way to do it and the online seminar is a bit more formal and gives everyone access to the software in real time.
Seminar Page
I'll update the dates if anyone is interested.
The seminar covers the workings of all engine management to some extent, not just the AccessPORT-specific stuff.
It has also gone on to 4 parts and the sessions run over (at no additional cost) just to make sure everyone gets what they want from the process.
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You may also want to consider that I already offer a 3-part, online seminar on this for only $175.
No travel required, the dates are flexible and I use an open feedback environment that allows it to be more like a classroom than just some WEB page.
Having someone there to explain the process is pretty awesome, for sure.
But it isn't the only way to do it and the online seminar is a bit more formal and gives everyone access to the software in real time.
Seminar Page
I'll update the dates if anyone is interested,
No travel required, the dates are flexible and I use an open feedback environment that allows it to be more like a classroom than just some WEB page.
Having someone there to explain the process is pretty awesome, for sure.
But it isn't the only way to do it and the online seminar is a bit more formal and gives everyone access to the software in real time.
Seminar Page
I'll update the dates if anyone is interested,
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I can't imagine why a big group of rotards getting together would degenerate into beer pong. Btw, I can bring a few six packs if we want
I'm going to assume that we'll have a pretty large group - especially if the NJ guys would like to get in on this. If so, I would consider your (MM) service to be more of the graduating lesson. Something we can (separately as desired) pursue after getting the whole she-bang from Kane. This way, we have a good hands-on background to depend on - it would make an online experience a lot easier on us.
I would love to know when your online seminars are separately from this thread - although I'm guessing whenever you update them you'll have a thread for that.
I'm going to assume that we'll have a pretty large group - especially if the NJ guys would like to get in on this. If so, I would consider your (MM) service to be more of the graduating lesson. Something we can (separately as desired) pursue after getting the whole she-bang from Kane. This way, we have a good hands-on background to depend on - it would make an online experience a lot easier on us.
I would love to know when your online seminars are separately from this thread - although I'm guessing whenever you update them you'll have a thread for that.
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I would definitely be willing to chip in for a in person class. I can work my way around an Apexi PFC but would love to understand the ins and outs to the INTX and Cobb.
I will say this though, tuning is one of more experienced areas a car enthusiast learns. You really need to understand how everything works and reacts in different conditions through diagnosing,modifying,rebuilding,etc.
Just throwing out an idea. It might be too much but if this goes through it would be nice to have Kane tune someones car on a dyno as part of the class.
I will say this though, tuning is one of more experienced areas a car enthusiast learns. You really need to understand how everything works and reacts in different conditions through diagnosing,modifying,rebuilding,etc.
Just throwing out an idea. It might be too much but if this goes through it would be nice to have Kane tune someones car on a dyno as part of the class.
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really interested, let me sort out my finances, but i think this is definitely worth the money.
also dependent if i can crash at anyone's place. send me a PM if i can. i dont need more than couch. hell, i could actually work with less. haha.
also dependent if i can crash at anyone's place. send me a PM if i can. i dont need more than couch. hell, i could actually work with less. haha.
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I was setting up a Dyno day at Enzo's shop in Bayshore.... I wonder if he'll let us do this at the same time???? He's a tuner himself and I don't know how he would feel someone else in his house ya know. But we would have a shop and a brand new Dyno......