TRU681

They did not spent 50k+ on it because they were sponsored! The 1st prize is not $500 or $1000 anymore? $100 is not even worth winning! I dumped about $25k already on my car.Looks like $25k investment for a $100 prize is jsut not worth it but I'll be there if my car is done before that regardless just for fun.I didn't put any performance mods on it because it'll void my mechanicle warrenty & also I want those parts off a sponsorship.

Outlaws eXtreme

Well it's 55 bucks or something to register your car, and it's 100 dollar prize for 1st. The Team prize is $1000.. and has a minimum amount of members to be considered a team. I really don't see the point in entering the show for such a lousy prize... AND why would anyone with a fixed up car would go to HIN when all the cops are outside ready to give you a $100+ ticket.

In the end, you "may" win about 50 dollars... which is prolly a full tank of gas.

TRU681

The custom audio shop is sponsoring me so if they finish my car in time, I'll have to go to give them back some support.So regardless if I win or not, I get some exposure for the Custom audio shop & for my car.

Equis

Not only that, the last HIN I went to they cleared out the used to be dance floor and put a nasty blue Mustang and gave away Pepsi samples of some nasty blue Pepsi. 2- years ago?? Anyways A mustang is not an import and I rather have a dance floor than stupid people walking around a huge empty room giving away samples of Nasty yasting blue pepsi.

TRU681

I agree that a Mustang is not an import car but this one is built like one.This car use to belong to my Custom Audio installer but he sold it to shops owner as a shop display.This car was built in 2000.Still nice even though it was builted up 5 years ago.
http://www.caraudiomag.com/v_feature...saleenmustang/

Moostafa29

Damn, from hearing all the posts, I don't even think its worth trying to enter my car anymore. I still want to go though, hopefully I'll run in to KT So.

Outlaws eXtreme

Don't give up on your dreams... if you want to enter a car show go ahead. It could be a learning experience of what you have to do (how much more to spend) to compete against the other cars. Like I said in another post, if you ever want to compete in a car show and expect to win in So Cali (The capital of import customization), then prepare to spend some big bucks. Even if it's sponsored or not, it doesn't matter, since the car will have to be modified with some mega money put into it.

For instance, if you didn't see Team Hybrid's RX-8 in person, then you should have before you decide to enter your 8. Think about spending just as much as that guy, if not more to compete... since that guy's car is decked out. Then look at the winning cars and see how much they spent.

Besides, it's only money, you could always make more.

TRU681

Well if you think it's all about just spending more money gets you a winning car then you're wrong.It's about how you spend it.Spending more on a car doesn't mean you'll have a better car.It's all about good taste & bad taste.I seen this white girl won best of show at NOPI(she also won best of show at HIN at San Mateo one year too), (NOPI)one of the biggest car shows around, with a Honda Civic 2 door.There were a lot of cars that clearly spent more money than hers but she has good taste, built the car better than others who obviously spent more money than her!More money doesn'= winning car!People sometimes enter their car just to compete even knowing that they probably not going to win & just to have more experience on what it's really like.A lot of car's in car shows are not that fixed up anyway in the first place because not everyone has as much money as people living in OC.

Equis

I used to go to HIN to see what products are out there to see what I want to buy for my car. Instead it has become who can put the most Carbon Fiber on a car, who can bling out the car the most, and my favorite who has the most JDM conversion.

Outlaws eXtreme

That's not true. Look at the list of all the winners in the 2004 HIN shows, all the cars, ALL of them spent more than double the value of their car. It is about money, you are kidding yourself if you don't think that's the primary reason for winning. With money, you can get all the bling bling stuff, and get quality speakers, JDM Rims, best tires, Customized paint (Not just a new color, but entirely painted exterior w/ designs..).

Guess you didn't go to HIN LA 2005, trust me, ALL the cars are fixed up beyond the average showcar. Go to www.speedoptions.com or modified.com to look at pix. Show me a car there that didn't spend AT LEAST double the amount of the value of their car. Then show me a winner at that show that didn't spend AT LEAST double the amount of their car.

Maybe it's different in other states, but like I said before, this is So Cali, people have the money to fork over, and all the major sponsorships are here in Cali anyhows.

Of course there is Styling, etc factor. But to get that custom look, you have to have the money. I'll bet you that you can't possibly win in HIN San Mateo if you spend under double the value of the RX-8. Of course without some sort of sponsorship, most people can't afford all the goodies. Have you seen Shawrf's RX-8? That car is HEAVILY modded, personally his and Team Hybrid's RX-8 are the two that I would have to compare all the rest of the RX-8 class cars against. And yes, they are both sponsored, and forked over tons of money.

TRU681

Hey my 8 might not win but at least I'll compete & I built it with my own money & I don't have all the obligations that comes with all those sponsorship. When you're car is sponsored by a few companies, it's almost like part of the car is not yours anymore because you'll have to uphold whatever the contract of the sponsorship is.All I'm saying is money is a factor but it's not the biggest one. If you're tat ignorant not to see it then so be it.It's all about how you spend the money. That's just how it is in life. For example: Just because you spent more money on remodeling your house Does Not Guarantee that it'll turn out better than some with a little lesser budjet.That's all I"m saying.I'm not saying that I"m going to win but that's what you think the main reason people put their cars in shows for.Let me enlighten you that people put their cars in a carshow to express themselves & some people put their cars in carshows because they have a contract with their sponsors that they must enter every carshow in their area or they will void their sponsorship!Some people do it for fun, some people do it to compete,& some people do it because they have to

TRU681

And you probably never even heard of this white girl who took a bunch of trophys with a mere Honda Civic 2door.Forgot her name but she was on a tv special about the import carshow scene.Winning NOPI(best in show Honda) is a bigass deal! Anyone who's been in the import carshow scene probably heard of this white girl who won a lot of awards & trophys.

XDEEDUBBX

What outlawz is saying is true...i've been to the very first import showoff nad hot import nights and i've watch fads come and go...every year it gets more intense! More and more money is being spent! To even get sponsors you need to spend a butt load of money first...Especially with HIN it's all about how much money you spend...It's also about who you know!! what the hell can you do to your car without money?? i don't know about you but I can't make custom rims or spray a paint job on my own. Maybe about 7-8 years ago the import show scene was about originality and being the first to have things...But now it's just outta hand. You can definately enter the show but i would reccomend that you display only not compete cause you will waste your money...

TRU681

Do know english? My statement saids spening more money does not GUARENTEE better results.That statement doe not mean not spening any money at all.Hey let just give you another example to back up my statement!
For example: Let's just say you spent $10k on your car to race & another person spent $7k. You spening $10 does not GUARENTEE you'll have a better racecar. It's how you spend the money that will determine the end result! If that example does not clarify it for you then there's no example or fact that will do it.I'm not here to start an arguament, I'm just telling it the way it is. You have your points of view & I have mine but I back it up with CONSISTANT facts.

Outlaws eXtreme

1st you berate me by calling me ignorant about this. Trust me, I owned a rice rocket, have been into the scene since 1992. This is when having Clear Corners was the "in" thing. I know about the car shows, etc etc. I entered my Civic, and learned from experience that it is about money. You don't need to "enlighten" me about anything... so please, you can stop trying to belittle my knowledge in this genre.

2nd No, I've never heard of this white girl with some famous Civic. When was the last time a Civic won anything? 2 years ago? I would love for that girl to compete with her same Civic now in a HIN show and see if she wins. I'll bet you $1000 cash right now that she stands 0 chance in hell to win. Besides, you mentioned this white girl twice already, yet haven't even mentioned her name. She must not be that well-known.

3rd, I'm not trying to deter your dreams. I understand you are doing this for yourself. Great and nifty. All I'm saying is that it costs a lot to enter these things, and it's not even worth it in the end... Unless you're sponsored.

4th, if someone spent 1 million on their home to remodel, and you spend 5k... trust me, the house that spent 1 million, no matter how tacky will still be worth way more than the house that didn't spend as much on renovation... considering both homes were of same value before.

5th, there are many reasons like you said people enter car shows. I'm sure your reasons are purely for your entertainment. Or perhaps it's to grow your ego a bit more. We've all read your posts in the threads, and how you brag about your custom paint, radio setup etc... so I'm pretty sure you are trying to win something. Maybe not the contest, but maybe more sponsorships... or more acknowledgement of your "styling". Who knows besides you.

6th, and yes Money is the Major factor. Doesn't matter if it's your money, or sponsor's money... it's Money. I would love for RJ to design a car using only Pep Boy parts and only spending 2k bucks and trying to win in a HIN show. Dream on.

XDEEDUBBX

haha your too funny! No matter what you say...at the end of a car show "it does" come down to how much money you spend and who you know...i don't care about your consistent facts...they are mere "opinions" I been around the scene a long time and i will tell you, this is how it works...and your facts about a race? dude, these are 2 totally different issues we're talking about... HIN and Import Showoff are all about money and politics....

Outlaws eXtreme

See your examples keeps failing because you ASSume that people will just waste away their money. What we're saying is that if that same person had 10k to spend, and the other guy had 7k to spend... The guy with the 10k will buy the "better" parts for that car.

Such as in the case of audio equipment. I noticed that you posted the stuff you are installing in your car. Ya that is good stuff. But if you had more money, you could have spent more money on the BEST audio equipment out there. Instead you are merely getting the 'good' stuff... but not the BEST.

I hope you understand that a CAR SHOW is a competition.. it is to find the BEST. When you spend your money on a car with just the 'good' stuff, you're not going to win. You can style all you want, but in the end, the person with the same stuff but MORE expensive/better quality will win.

TRU681

Well I give up, you win since you simply just do not understand my point & also comparing $1 million to $5,000 just shows your intelligence because I was comapring $10k-$7k ratio.If you know anything about math $1,000,000 to $5000 does not equate to a $10k-7k ratio.

Ps: when I get that girls name I'll post it.If you have not hear of her that's fine but she did win NOPI nationals best of show with her Civic. Hope you even heard of NOPI since you're in the scene since 1992.

XDEEDUBBX

NOPI is a joke...sorry....

Outlaws eXtreme

Tru, For someone that speaks of.. "Do know english?," as if XDeedubbx needs to learn English... you sure make an awful lot of mistakes in your grammar and spelling.

"Hope you even heard of NOPI since you're in the scene since 1992."

Actually I do know about NOPI, but what does that have to do with knowing the history of Import JDM showoff cars? They were not the first, nor are they the biggest in the US.

First you say Money isn't the most important.. then you try to deviate from the point by saying 10k and 7k isn't that much...etc etc. Ok, I'll use your example. With that extra 3k, the person could have added larger screen TVs, better amps, perhaps a Turbo in their cars...etc etc.

Tru681, since you claim to know so much of the Import scene... How many car shows have you entered? Also tell us ONE winner of ANY Car show in the last 2 years that have won without having to spend double the amount of the value on their car. Money matters... even the smallest amount to the largest.. it will matter. Under your presumption, you shouldn't even have to waste any money on your car, and you should be able to enter HIN... with your own styling. Oh guess what, that styling cost money... Ok, so let's say you spend your money on the cheaper items like you've listed... you still spent more money than the rest of us Stock Rx-8 to enter that show. Guess what.. that's Money. You wouldn't be entering a car show saying.. "Oh, Styling is the key, imagination, etc etc.." You are entering because you CAN enter with the money you spent.

Since I am in a charitable mood, why don't you find me that girl that won the car show in a Nopi event. Have her enter that exact car now... in the San Mateo HIN. If she wins, I'll PAY you $1000. Also as an added bonus, with the modifications you've already done to your car... 15k spent or so, if you win the HIN best car of the show, I'll give you $1000.

TRU681

All I was trying to say is, how you spend the money is what makes the difference.
money+ knowledge on how to spend it is the formula. Money is a big factor but all I'm trying to say is how you spend the money makes all the difference. That's as simple as I can say it.

TRU681

I just think that you're just a little hater.You're now talking trash about my audio equipment.Let's see how much you know about audio? I know that I don't own the best audio equipment & there are always going to be something better so let me know what's the best out there that you quoted but did not mention.

PS: that girl who won a bunch of trophy's with a Civic was Dara Sodano. go do a search on her name, she has been in many magazines.

Outlaws eXtreme

Hater? Actually I am, but not by the definition you are using it as. I'm merely using your very own words back at you, and making you look like an absolute idiot on the matter of car shows. It was my way to inform you that when you try to belittle people by calling them ignorant over simply stating a fact... you will get treated with disrespect back. I thought your words to XDeed wasn't that nice either. English? What was that all about?

I posted about how it takes a lot of money to go into a Car show. That is all. Then you come in about having style and then start talking down on us as if you knew all about import cars. Honestly, when you tell someone that it's about having style and 'some' money to compete.. that's a lie. It's about having LOTS of money, and some style. You can have a ton of crappy ideas on a car, look at the 90% carbon fiber cars that have pieces that don't fit... yet they win car shows. Why? Because they spent way more than the cars that didn't spend it on Carbon fiber.

Since you posted the stuff you are adding to your car, it looks good like I said. But it's nowhere near what the Alpine sponsored car is, nor the Momo sponsored car is. That is my point. Those cars spent a ton of money, they will hand people their asses back to them since they spent so much more into those cars.

You brought up Dara Sodano... with her Custom painted G35 car as one of her latest rides. Guess what, that paint job cost more than her last Civic when it was stock. Wow.. I wonder how that happened... could it be that a paint job like that cost a fortune? Lots of money perhaps?

To make my point even more.. this is Dara's Civic. I've only heard of her G35.. but this is her Winning Civic....

http://www.lowridereuromagazine.com/...s/candydreams/

Guess what... the Civic cost her 16k, the mods alone cost her $30k+ ... that's not money being spent there? Are you telling us she could have won these shows if she didn't spend that much? Let her try with a budget of $8k, and a $16k Civic back then, you think she would have won best car?

Can I possibly make you look even more foolish Tru681?