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04-20-2012, 07:51 AM
04-20-2012, 01:13 PM
Rotors-over-pistons
04-20-2012, 10:25 PM
Rotary Evolution
04-21-2012, 12:04 AM
Rotors-over-pistons
For aftermarket work.....? Down here we have mazdatrix, RRR, racing beat for parts, so I was checkin if you guys had anybody who specializes. Of course the dealership does factory service...
04-21-2012, 12:36 PM
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Most of the local rotary owners do alot of their our work therefore there is not enough potential bussiness for "rotary shops" that and not so good reputations go a looonnngg way
04-21-2012, 05:13 PM
Rotary Evolution
yep, and many cars wind up dead in driveways or in wrecking yards after issues become compounded by more added on top.
well it does help thin out the population, there were plenty of most gens made excluding SA and FD.
well it does help thin out the population, there were plenty of most gens made excluding SA and FD.
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04-21-2012, 08:53 PM
Rotary Evolution
well i was just being honest, i've personally seen cars that were purchased with bad coolant seals and others with wiring issues that were a fire hazard, others that had to be combed through fixing issues that weren't even related to the original issue due to misdiagnosis and attempted and failed repairs of systems that likely were working fine originally, resulting in higher repair costs or me working for free to get a future customer, possibly.
there's lots of 8's in vegas, but most do not know what a rotary engine is. i do see a few from time to time from the local club. i don't own one yet, will likely be picking one up this week with a blown engine though and getting that finished last before the doors close.
there's lots of 8's in vegas, but most do not know what a rotary engine is. i do see a few from time to time from the local club. i don't own one yet, will likely be picking one up this week with a blown engine though and getting that finished last before the doors close.
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04-21-2012, 10:51 PM
Rotary Evolution
actually that's fact.
i had a local come in just yesterday and asked me if his FC was a good deal, he paid $2k for it and i couldn't look at him and answer knowing it was a $600 car(well, that figure is an opinion anyways) which needed a rebuild with bad coolant seals pushing compression into the cooling system.
the wiring was a pure mess, relays connected to the wrong connectors, e-fan wired up with solid house wiring with no fuse to an inadequate switch dangling inside the car, undertray missing, 5/6th ports flopping open/closed without actuators, poorly modded throttle body with zip ties holding it together. i could have written him a 3 page list of issues with the car.. i just patched it up and got it running again but how can i feel ok giving someone an estimate for double what a good condition FC would be worth to fix it at least to somewhat decent shape again? this isn't the first car i've seen done in similar fashion in the valley.
anyways, all the information is out there. at least 10k of my posts on the other rotary forum have information on how to properly fix an FC from top to bottom. i've done my part, all i can hope is that people use the search function and spend 10 minutes researching issues before ripping apart a car or modifying it cheaply and poorly costing more money to fix down the road. i've also decided i'm not going to continue to give advice or technical instruction since it would be redundant and i want my life back, i know i said i likely would but after thinking about it almost all the help i give is just the same things ive said hundreds of times over in various ways just to different people asking the same questions that have been answered before. perhaps i will just make a simple consolidated list for reference and be done.
i had a local come in just yesterday and asked me if his FC was a good deal, he paid $2k for it and i couldn't look at him and answer knowing it was a $600 car(well, that figure is an opinion anyways) which needed a rebuild with bad coolant seals pushing compression into the cooling system.
the wiring was a pure mess, relays connected to the wrong connectors, e-fan wired up with solid house wiring with no fuse to an inadequate switch dangling inside the car, undertray missing, 5/6th ports flopping open/closed without actuators, poorly modded throttle body with zip ties holding it together. i could have written him a 3 page list of issues with the car.. i just patched it up and got it running again but how can i feel ok giving someone an estimate for double what a good condition FC would be worth to fix it at least to somewhat decent shape again? this isn't the first car i've seen done in similar fashion in the valley.
anyways, all the information is out there. at least 10k of my posts on the other rotary forum have information on how to properly fix an FC from top to bottom. i've done my part, all i can hope is that people use the search function and spend 10 minutes researching issues before ripping apart a car or modifying it cheaply and poorly costing more money to fix down the road. i've also decided i'm not going to continue to give advice or technical instruction since it would be redundant and i want my life back, i know i said i likely would but after thinking about it almost all the help i give is just the same things ive said hundreds of times over in various ways just to different people asking the same questions that have been answered before. perhaps i will just make a simple consolidated list for reference and be done.
Last edited by Karack; 04-21-2012 at 11:11 PM.
04-22-2012, 12:01 AM
Rotors-over-pistons
.......soooooo from what I gather, there's rotary owners in vegas, and there's not many places outside of the dealerships to get them worked on, so ppl work on them at home, and some of them don't do a good job. Got it. Haha seems to be the case whenever ppl don't know what they're doing
04-22-2012, 12:32 AM
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.......soooooo from what I gather, there's rotary owners in vegas, and there's not many places outside of the dealerships to get them worked on, so ppl work on them at home, and some of them don't do a good job. Got it. Haha seems to be the case whenever ppl don't know what they're doing
errrr yup and sometimes ppl pay and still don't get a good job depending on who they use I guess
it is Vegas they say lol Most importantly most of the mods for the 8's are on this forum somewhere or/and we have already done them ....
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04-22-2012, 11:43 AM
Rotary Evolution
.......soooooo from what I gather, there's rotary owners in vegas, and there's not many places outside of the dealerships to get them worked on, so ppl work on them at home, and some of them don't do a good job. Got it. Haha seems to be the case whenever ppl don't know what they're doing
sometimes i also think people want to convince themselves that people do poor work because of the differences they have. Ray, don't handicap Leo simply because i put that car together or because i did most of the reassembly/tuning of Jared's engine. we all make mistakes, i just don't know how to make up for mine to you. it was never intentional and i did more running around than you will probably ever know trying to do what was asked, each time being told to get something completely different to do the paperwork until the point i had to dig through boxes to find a 7 year old piece of paper i also was getting worn out jumping through the hoops. in some cases stopping in barstow to get paperwork or drop it off to her personally.
i still remember you bitching about the cost of the differential job also, i respect that you try to help local businesses but that was a 4 hour job, most shops charge over $85/hr now. the differential if you were lucky enough to score one at a cheap wrecker would be $75 plus hours of time gutting it from the car. bare job cost that would be a $400 repair at minimum even if you provided the differential to swap in, you complained about it at below average shop pricing with the discount cut in for the return on half fuel costs. i simply don't think you personally would ever truly support a local business, not that i ever even asked that. but to say there is no shops, well that's a lie. if you want to tell people i'm some sort of demon, at least tell them your story. the GSL story isn't something i've hidden, hell i've told a number of people about how i unintentionally screwed you.
long story short, Ray was going to help me tow my 35' trailer with his F-350 and i would tow his trailer with the '82 GSL on it back to vegas. he and family helped move some things from my apt to the trailer, i repaid $150 in fuel back to ray in the form of a discount on swapping an LSD differential into his SA(seemingly he didn't want to but was trying to at least offer me a way to repay him for the fuel as moving charges cost well over twice what i originally figured and i was about broke before even opening the doors after shelling out over $7k in moving costs as well as 2 months rent and deposit on the shop). moving took a bit longer than anticipated partly because some of the help i was going to get in packing the house fell through, it was a stressful sunday as his wife had to work early on monday morning and we were running a bit late.
so Ray gets the car, we work out repayment portion of his fuel costs. the car was going to be liened in nevada but i find out that it cannot be done as nevada has very different ways of dealing with some types of liens. i talk to Shaun who points me to a DMV services woman in Barstow who i deal with and eventually get 3 different stories of what needs to get done in order to get the california title. i do the first 2 sets of items but eventually am told i need the original license # from before the registration lapsed in order to avoid the $800+ in back fees. at this point i and Ray are fed up with dealing with the car, i tell Shaun about it all and eventually he helps Ray to get the title for the FB, while i have a truck from Shaun with no title that he was going to help me take care of as he was the one who traded me the truck. basically i traded my title to get you yours, the REPU is sold now though so i don't need that pass anyways, even though if i did simply get the title from Shaun in the first place it probably would have been road worthy long ago and actually worth something, but i'm not holding it against him).
the GSL was free, i wasn't asking anything for it just to go to a good home and i wanted to be sure that the trailer wouldn't overload my F-250, even though i later found out it could have easily hauled it as i wound up towing the same trailer with almost twice the weight with my truck, but it did cook my brakes coming down the hill into Primm valley.
everyone screws up, but the intent is what you hang on people. that is my ugly vegas secret and why i do not show up to meets to avoid Ray, because i know i still owe him and his wife(since the car was for her). had i ever known that the valley really didn't want a rotary specialty shop i wouldn't have invested everything i had into it.
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04-22-2012, 02:44 PM
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there is, or rather was a shop in vegas but not taking anymore jobs in. stop in if you feel like looking around, i do have loads of 2nd generation 7 parts to unload if you know anyone who needs something.
sometimes i also think people want to convince themselves that people do poor work because of the differences they have. Ray, don't handicap Leo simply because i put that car together or because i did most of the reassembly/tuning of Jared's engine. we all make mistakes, i just don't know how to make up for mine to you. it was never intentional and i did more running around than you will probably ever know trying to do what was asked, each time being told to get something completely different to do the paperwork until the point i had to dig through boxes to find a 7 year old piece of paper i also was getting worn out jumping through the hoops. in some cases stopping in barstow to get paperwork or drop it off to her personally.
i still remember you bitching about the cost of the differential job also, i respect that you try to help local businesses but that was a 4 hour job, most shops charge over $85/hr now. the differential if you were lucky enough to score one at a cheap wrecker would be $75 plus hours of time gutting it from the car. bare job cost that would be a $400 repair at minimum even if you provided the differential to swap in, you complained about it at below average shop pricing with the discount cut in for the return on half fuel costs. i simply don't think you personally would ever truly support a local business, not that i ever even asked that. but to say there is no shops, well that's a lie. if you want to tell people i'm some sort of demon, at least tell them your story. the GSL story isn't something i've hidden, hell i've told a number of people about how i unintentionally screwed you.
long story short, Ray was going to help me tow my 35' trailer with his F-350 and i would tow his trailer with the '82 GSL on it back to vegas. he and family helped move some things from my apt to the trailer, i repaid $150 in fuel back to ray in the form of a discount on swapping an LSD differential into his SA(seemingly he didn't want to but was trying to at least offer me a way to repay him for the fuel as moving charges cost well over twice what i originally figured and i was about broke before even opening the doors after shelling out over $7k in moving costs as well as 2 months rent and deposit on the shop). moving took a bit longer than anticipated partly because some of the help i was going to get in packing the house fell through, it was a stressful sunday as his wife had to work early on monday morning and we were running a bit late.
so Ray gets the car, we work out repayment portion of his fuel costs. the car was going to be liened in nevada but i find out that it cannot be done as nevada has very different ways of dealing with some types of liens. i talk to Shaun who points me to a DMV services woman in Barstow who i deal with and eventually get 3 different stories of what needs to get done in order to get the california title. i do the first 2 sets of items but eventually am told i need the original license # from before the registration lapsed in order to avoid the $800+ in back fees. at this point i and Ray are fed up with dealing with the car, i tell Shaun about it all and eventually he helps Ray to get the title for the FB, while i have a truck from Shaun with no title that he was going to help me take care of as he was the one who traded me the truck. basically i traded my title to get you yours, the REPU is sold now though so i don't need that pass anyways, even though if i did simply get the title from Shaun in the first place it probably would have been road worthy long ago and actually worth something, but i'm not holding it against him).
the GSL was free, i wasn't asking anything for it just to go to a good home and i wanted to be sure that the trailer wouldn't overload my F-250, even though i later found out it could have easily hauled it as i wound up towing the same trailer with almost twice the weight with my truck, but it did cook my brakes coming down the hill into Primm valley.
everyone screws up, but the intent is what you hang on people. that is my ugly vegas secret and why i do not show up to meets to avoid Ray, because i know i still owe him and his wife(since the car was for her). had i ever known that the valley really didn't want a rotary specialty shop i wouldn't have invested everything i had into it.
sometimes i also think people want to convince themselves that people do poor work because of the differences they have. Ray, don't handicap Leo simply because i put that car together or because i did most of the reassembly/tuning of Jared's engine. we all make mistakes, i just don't know how to make up for mine to you. it was never intentional and i did more running around than you will probably ever know trying to do what was asked, each time being told to get something completely different to do the paperwork until the point i had to dig through boxes to find a 7 year old piece of paper i also was getting worn out jumping through the hoops. in some cases stopping in barstow to get paperwork or drop it off to her personally.
i still remember you bitching about the cost of the differential job also, i respect that you try to help local businesses but that was a 4 hour job, most shops charge over $85/hr now. the differential if you were lucky enough to score one at a cheap wrecker would be $75 plus hours of time gutting it from the car. bare job cost that would be a $400 repair at minimum even if you provided the differential to swap in, you complained about it at below average shop pricing with the discount cut in for the return on half fuel costs. i simply don't think you personally would ever truly support a local business, not that i ever even asked that. but to say there is no shops, well that's a lie. if you want to tell people i'm some sort of demon, at least tell them your story. the GSL story isn't something i've hidden, hell i've told a number of people about how i unintentionally screwed you.
long story short, Ray was going to help me tow my 35' trailer with his F-350 and i would tow his trailer with the '82 GSL on it back to vegas. he and family helped move some things from my apt to the trailer, i repaid $150 in fuel back to ray in the form of a discount on swapping an LSD differential into his SA(seemingly he didn't want to but was trying to at least offer me a way to repay him for the fuel as moving charges cost well over twice what i originally figured and i was about broke before even opening the doors after shelling out over $7k in moving costs as well as 2 months rent and deposit on the shop). moving took a bit longer than anticipated partly because some of the help i was going to get in packing the house fell through, it was a stressful sunday as his wife had to work early on monday morning and we were running a bit late.
so Ray gets the car, we work out repayment portion of his fuel costs. the car was going to be liened in nevada but i find out that it cannot be done as nevada has very different ways of dealing with some types of liens. i talk to Shaun who points me to a DMV services woman in Barstow who i deal with and eventually get 3 different stories of what needs to get done in order to get the california title. i do the first 2 sets of items but eventually am told i need the original license # from before the registration lapsed in order to avoid the $800+ in back fees. at this point i and Ray are fed up with dealing with the car, i tell Shaun about it all and eventually he helps Ray to get the title for the FB, while i have a truck from Shaun with no title that he was going to help me take care of as he was the one who traded me the truck. basically i traded my title to get you yours, the REPU is sold now though so i don't need that pass anyways, even though if i did simply get the title from Shaun in the first place it probably would have been road worthy long ago and actually worth something, but i'm not holding it against him).
the GSL was free, i wasn't asking anything for it just to go to a good home and i wanted to be sure that the trailer wouldn't overload my F-250, even though i later found out it could have easily hauled it as i wound up towing the same trailer with almost twice the weight with my truck, but it did cook my brakes coming down the hill into Primm valley.
everyone screws up, but the intent is what you hang on people. that is my ugly vegas secret and why i do not show up to meets to avoid Ray, because i know i still owe him and his wife(since the car was for her). had i ever known that the valley really didn't want a rotary specialty shop i wouldn't have invested everything i had into it.
You really need to get over yourself everything that is posted you take as if geared towards you. You don't have the only alledged Rotary shop locally and frankly personally I think they all suck either the work that is done, handling of warranties, pricing, poor bussiness management and poor customer service.
Which applies to you?
You solicitated me for the diff job not the other way around, if you didn't want to do it for the price big deal I woudl have just done it myself.
The GSL you were selling for $200 which was negotiated in helping you move
I was your biggest promoter until .... until complaints were coming back to me so don't blame the situation with the GSL I saw past that
I don't name you or your shop .... you do ... and dodge the issues with your customers
The past is the past ... leave it there ... I can and do
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04-22-2012, 04:36 PM
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what issues have i ever dodged with my customers? if people are saying things then perhaps i should know about it. do i really come across as such an unapproachable person?
at any rate, you're right, it's all in the past. in the end i wasted 2 years hoping it would go somewhere, it didn't. helped a few people get cars done, but i still would have been better off not even trying in the first place. never would have had the FB issue, had to spend time commuting to cali to get supplemental work, move 3k sq ft of crap and at the end make maybe my moving costs back after working 7 days a week for over the past year.
all you can do is do the best job you can, unfortunately some people here in the valley can't even see that. no wonder the club is split into 3 different sections with no sign of ever being fixed. i'm starting to guess that perhaps Chris wasn't such a bad guy in the beginning, if he had to deal with this for a number of years i can envision why he turned out how he did, even if his work did suck.
at any rate, you're right, it's all in the past. in the end i wasted 2 years hoping it would go somewhere, it didn't. helped a few people get cars done, but i still would have been better off not even trying in the first place. never would have had the FB issue, had to spend time commuting to cali to get supplemental work, move 3k sq ft of crap and at the end make maybe my moving costs back after working 7 days a week for over the past year.
all you can do is do the best job you can, unfortunately some people here in the valley can't even see that. no wonder the club is split into 3 different sections with no sign of ever being fixed. i'm starting to guess that perhaps Chris wasn't such a bad guy in the beginning, if he had to deal with this for a number of years i can envision why he turned out how he did, even if his work did suck.
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04-22-2012, 05:38 PM
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it's ok, IMO that should have been said a while ago regardless of Ray saying who anything he sais is aimed at or not, even though he knows who he is talking about. playing ignorant doesn't work, it's just a game you think you are winning by being vague.
i know how poor my work is and so does he. hopefully his hand doesn't catch fire handing one or more of my customers a trophy a month from now. i may be slow but most people already know that but that is because i am thorough.. and sometimes **** happens, no matter how thorough you are. anyone who dives into an engine bay on a 7 knows when you touch one thing 3 things break in the process, restorations take time yet i don't even charge restoration charges, anyone who thinks i am expensive should try calling around and you might just learn a thing or two. that said you also might get an idea of why each job takes so long.
at any rate, i may accept very minor repairs for the near future but i probably won't even book anything for vehicles for next months event if things happen to go wrong during the event. i might just get called a liar for not making timeframes for current customers or by other locals whos projects aren't done in a timely manner.
**** this.
i know how poor my work is and so does he. hopefully his hand doesn't catch fire handing one or more of my customers a trophy a month from now. i may be slow but most people already know that but that is because i am thorough.. and sometimes **** happens, no matter how thorough you are. anyone who dives into an engine bay on a 7 knows when you touch one thing 3 things break in the process, restorations take time yet i don't even charge restoration charges, anyone who thinks i am expensive should try calling around and you might just learn a thing or two. that said you also might get an idea of why each job takes so long.
at any rate, i may accept very minor repairs for the near future but i probably won't even book anything for vehicles for next months event if things happen to go wrong during the event. i might just get called a liar for not making timeframes for current customers or by other locals whos projects aren't done in a timely manner.
**** this.
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04-22-2012, 06:19 PM
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what issues have i ever dodged with my customers? if people are saying things then perhaps i should know about it. do i really come across as such an unapproachable person?
at any rate, you're right, it's all in the past. in the end i wasted 2 years hoping it would go somewhere, it didn't. helped a few people get cars done, but i still would have been better off not even trying in the first place. never would have had the FB issue, had to spend time commuting to cali to get supplemental work, move 3k sq ft of crap and at the end make maybe my moving costs back after working 7 days a week for over the past year.
all you can do is do the best job you can, unfortunately some people here in the valley can't even see that. no wonder the club is split into 3 different sections with no sign of ever being fixed. i'm starting to guess that perhaps Chris wasn't such a bad guy in the beginning, if he had to deal with this for a number of years i can envision why he turned out how he did, even if his work did suck.
at any rate, you're right, it's all in the past. in the end i wasted 2 years hoping it would go somewhere, it didn't. helped a few people get cars done, but i still would have been better off not even trying in the first place. never would have had the FB issue, had to spend time commuting to cali to get supplemental work, move 3k sq ft of crap and at the end make maybe my moving costs back after working 7 days a week for over the past year.
all you can do is do the best job you can, unfortunately some people here in the valley can't even see that. no wonder the club is split into 3 different sections with no sign of ever being fixed. i'm starting to guess that perhaps Chris wasn't such a bad guy in the beginning, if he had to deal with this for a number of years i can envision why he turned out how he did, even if his work did suck.
as far as dodging ppl I am only but 1 example
polk data from a couple of years ago showed over 1k registered rotaries in Clack county ... hmmm all at the same place, same time, with same opinion and/or interest ..... not likely ... with that said you pulled my name into this as if some petty BS had me on some agenda to steer bussiness away from you .... lmao you flatter yourself as you are not important enough to spend my efforts in that manner and how would I even enfluence all of these ppl from this fractured group as you say?
doing your best is great but when there is a problem you've handled it like crap ... period
LMAO it's all good dude I am frankly finding it interesting to respond to Mr Karack while biting my tonge and holding back LOL
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