FastRX8

I paid $104, because I didn't shop around.
Napa Auto Parts quoted me about $105 several months ago, so when I was at the dealer for an oil change and they said $104, I just bought 'em.

After looking around, I'd get them from Rosenthal.
OEM Front $70.02
OEM Rear $43.56
MS Front $144
MS Rear $138

- Cesar -

lesper4

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Did you see these keith, pirce is a little high but maybe you can get the red packages appearnce and all and get some breaded line while you are at it. (auto ex)

OH AND TONIGHT IS FREE NOW WITH ME, BLOW SOME STEEM OFF, GET OUT AND HAVE A GOOD TIME.

ULLLOSE

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From MazdaComp
OE $43.45
MS $120.00

imho anything more than stock is overkill for the street and autox. I have $300 worth of killer race pads in the garge for the RX8. We always used them on the Corvette, the stock brakes were not that good for such a big car, so when we got the RX8 we ordered a set for it. The race pads make the ABS system go nuts on autox stuff, the low speed and fact that you almost never get to brake strait just makes the race pads over run the system. The stock pads work great for low speed stuff. Besides the stock pads are dirty enough race ones are worse.

If you go with Hawk I will warn you that even there street pads, HPS and HP+, are as dirty and loud as there Blue race pads. I have never had good luck with them on any of our race cars. I do use them on my truck because I can use the Hawk money I win at events to buy truck pads.

kwescott

Thank you Jason, this was exactly the feedback I was looking for. OE it is. Now I got to look back into that Mazdacomp program.

speeddemon32

I know I am a little late witht he whole brake pad thing, but I have noticed that the stock pads work just fine at the lower speeds like Jason stated. if you can lock up the brakes, they are doing there job. the only thing I have noticed with the stockers are the brake fade duing our runs. I have had it three times now, and I have to admit, when your brakes go rock hard it is not a good feeling. rather then buying race pads, I will just not drive so stupid on the streets any more on our runs. if I was road racing the RX-8 there would be no doubt in my mind that you would want race pads/rotors. but on the streets and autoX there really is no need for it.


Toca, read the AutoX thread.


everyone else, hope it does not rain on our next meet. I am ready for a nice big meet. maybe if there is some snow up in the mountains we can go take a nice cruise up there and get some snow shots. Me-Shell has been going nuts, she wants to go play in the snow! :D

ULLLOSE

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We have never had brake fade with the stock pads. Just did the prosolo and beacuse of the rain sat the added two extra runs sun, so we had 6 runs back to back with no brake and the pads were fine. I wonder if 04' have a different pad then 05' or maybe you just use them to much in the wrong spots. The Corvette got it bad with stock pads, that is what got us running the race pads.

I will say if you want to do any high speed stuff get the full race pads. The nice thing is they are easy to change and you can get away with just doing fronts for a track day.

speeddemon32

he he , no I was saying that I have ONLY had brake fade on the streets when we do our runs. the 3 times I have had it I was pushing the car much harder then I should on the street. during auto cross, I have never had brake fade nor do I ever think i will. you just not on the brakes for a long enought time to get the stock RX-8 pads to hot. IF I were doing some kind of road racing where you are under high speed braking, then yes I think I would HAVE to move up to race pads...... but I have no intentions of racing the RX-8 on a road track. (thats not why I bought this car)
pretty much I was just agreeing with you.

mp5

That's pretty crazy to be getting fade on the street. I've done a couple track days at Streets of Willow Springs and I didn't get any... but I do drive much more conservatively at the track than I do at autox. Just too scared of totalling the car if I go off-track.

After shredding a set of tires, spinning out once, and having the car shoot coolant all over the engine bay... I decided I would retire from track days for a while.

kwescott

I think it has something more to do with the brake lines. When I have had brake fade (on the same days as Casey), we have driven our cars really hard. The temperature was really warm, conditions were sunny, and the streets we were on are rather hot. The brakes don't feel hard, they just don't feel like they are there. Maybe I'm just not experienced enough to know what brake fade is...but in my experience on these runs, I pushed the brake pedal in and it "squished" all the way to the floor, as if there was no brake pad at all. I was thinking that the "squishing" feeling I was experiencing was the rubber brake lines expanding, or not pushing brake fluid to the calipers. I always thought that maybe I would just upgrade my brake lines and brake fluid. I do like the stock pads, as they are already dirty and noisy, but track pads would be worse in both respects, yes?


I lost my brakes on an old Toyota pickup I had. I guess I was young and didn't know to tell my parents at the time that the truck was squeaking when I braked. Well, eventually I wore the pads all the way down to where it was metal on metal...and this made it hard to stop. I had to use my e-brake to stop the truck, all the way home. This "loss" of brakes felt different to what I experienced on our runs through hwy 138.

ULLLOSE

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A mountain run would almost be like a track day. Soft pedal can be fade from the pads getting to hot or fluid is boiled. If the brakes cool down and are ok then it was just to much heat and the pads were out of the temp range. If the brake pedal is still soft after they cool down you need to bleed them. The lines don't get soft and expand with heat. A bubber hose will brake down over a very long period of time, but for street/autox use they are fine. My 89' Corvette had the OE rubber hoses on it for all but the last year we autox it, in 04' I replaced the calipers with new ones and did the hoses then just beacuse I was in there. If you were road racing you might replace your rubber hoses every year or any time you replace the calipers is a good guide line.

mp5

If the fluid is boiling, you can fix that pretty easily by upgrading your brake fluid to something that has a much higher boiling point. Maybe you're riding the brakes too much, which is easy to do when going down a mountain. The pads won't get a chance to cool. My dad lives in Lake Arrowhead and actually upgraded to drilled rotors on his Subaru wagon because he was warping the OEM ones.

kwescott

Interesting comments guys. I guess I just didn't realize how hot those things were getting, and that there is a temperatire range where they no longer work. This would make sense though, because every once in a while I'll see a truck who's rear trailor brakes are actually on fire as they descend the Cajon Pass.

ULLLOSE

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A street pad may have a range of 0-500 f. A full race pad might be 500-2000 f. So you can see how a full race pad might not even work as good for autox or street because you almost never get it hot enough. There are a ton of different temp range pads out there. On the Vette we used one that went 150-1000 and it was a good autox pad as long as you got them hot before your first run, you had to drive around grid with you foot hard on the brake pedal before the run. The RX8 has the same size rotor as the vette did and weighs 400 lbs less, the rotor is what controls the heat range you are in, so same size rotor on a lighter car and we don't get near the heat as we use to.
I have a digital pyrometer for checking tires and stuff and we have also checked the brakes with it, I have seen as low as 350 f after a run. Most the time in an autox you only have two or three good hard brake zones so it is not that important.

Jedi54

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Holy Crap Batman!

All this talk about brake pads seems to have scared everyone away from this thread...

Now back to our regularly scheduled show: So, where are we going crusing next month??

kwescott

Not sure, but we may go up to Big Bear if I have new brake pads by then :::::))))))))

Jedi54

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oh, Big Bear sounds like FUN!!

kwescott

make sure you bring your inflateable tubes.....scarfs, beanies and mittens.

KrazieKave

dont forget a pair of shoes that have to tread on the bottom!

(for burgerking raceway)

Jedi54

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Keith,
You don't need to wait for your pads. Here's what you do...

-Go to the dealership and buy a set of pads (at regular price)
-Install the pads

-Order a second set of pads with your AutoCross discount (when they finally process your application)
-Return THAT set of pads to the dealership.

PROBLEM SOLVED and you've got pads for Big Bear.

kwescott

hmmmm, very good idea sir....

Detrich

hmm... i guess if the pads are identical it's not that bad. u basically just slightly skew their inventory/ re-stocking estimates for a week or so. LOL

speeddemon32

burger king raceway!!! he he he, thats funny.
we need to get more videos of us all doing stupid stuff so I can make a new ROTORLUTION vid. stuff like that made the last one funny! so wish I had a camera for Vipers fall at the bowling alley.

Big bear does sound like agood run to me, does anyone have a problemw ith that? you know it will be a fairly slow run due to traffic just like last time. It's up to you guys. slow scenic routs dont bother me one bit. I wouldnt want to do them every time, but I still find them fun.

kwescott

I thought it was the Burger King Ice Dancers....?

I'm gonna pull up the rear if we go. I want to collect all that reddish rock on my bumper...just like last time

Razz1

Poker this weekend so it looks like I'll make it next week for the meet.

kwescott

Next meet is April 8th. Second Saturday of the month.