speeddemon32

he he he, well the 8 is suprisingly comparable to the 3rd gen seven. the seven will grip a turn a we bit better, bit the 8 is more forgiving. the 8 will recover fomr a mistake a little better then the 7.
I drove his 7 once around the track, and yes the power was fun (at least when boost came on line) but it did seem like i was having a harder time driving the car.\

He drove my car and he pretty much agreed with me.
if your wanting numbers, He ran the track at a 69.0xx and i ran it at a 69.1xx meaning i was just 1 tenth of a second behind him.
in other words, on an auto cross track (at least that auto cross track with him driving and me driving) they are almost the same

now if it were a bigger track then i am sure he would have riped me a new one.

also if your interested, when i drove his car i got a 72.xxx and he got a 70.xxx (i think, it might have been a 71.xxx) this meaning he was more comfortable driving my car hard, then i was driving his car hard. (keep in mind that this is not a very accurate method of testing, he is proly just more comfortable driving other peoples cars, and he might adapt to new cars faster then me)

anyways, does that answer your question?

speeddemon32

thats funny!


wow, thats just a sad thing to see.

FastRX8

Well, here's my .02

The 7 and the 8 are in different classes when it comes to autocross.

The nationals were held last weekend.

The 8 won 1st place for it's class at 28.352secs. The slowest in it class was 28.675secs. A .323 sec difference.

The 7 won 1st place for it's class at 26.856secs. The slowest in it class was 28.436secs. A 1.58 secs difference.

That means that the 1.496 difference between the fastest 8 and the fastest 7 are pretty significant.
At the sametime, 1 small mistake, and the 8 is faster.
It's kind of like arguing between Coke or Pepsi.

I know this didn't help any, but I like to post. :p

- Cesar -

kwescott

I like Pepsi....actually, Mountain Dew (a Pepsi product)

...oh, we weren't asking that.

Speeddemon, I tried getting your cell number from Cesar and we had a bad connection. Anyways, wanted to schedule a banner time. My cell number is 714 809 7602.

meshell

Casey and myself are coke people. :D :p

gh0st

ive never been in a stock (susoension) fd before at the track. all the ones ive driven all had heavily modified suspension. however i did test drive an fd on the street but the salesman was in the car with me so i was limited. from that drive though.. it felt like it had less grip then my 8(maybe crapy tyres? had 65k in the tach). well... actually about the same grip but more a sliding feel to it.. like it wanted to oversteer or understeer a lot more. it was about 2 years ago so its hazzy but i wasnt too impressed. after owning my 8.. ive always felt that with coilovers, sway bars and mybe better tyres, the would be able to blow a stock 7 out of the water in terms of cornering ability, and at least hand with a modified street 7.(hard to tell cause all the modded 7's ive driven were stripped out to the max and race preped)

denward

cLLcLe

I like Pepsi. It's sweeter and doesn't leave a gritty teeth feeling like Coke! :o

I'll have to contact you speeddemon whenever I get my car back so I can set up an appointment with you for the banner. I think I'm going for just plain white.

lesper4

iTrader: (3)

whos yellow 7 was that with the semi, not the right had drive one i saw at the so cal beach bbq? too bad the yellow ones, arent they very very limted in models. circle you must be counting the days.

kwescott

Went over to Speeddemon's tonight...whos next?

...sorry, and since I was in the garage, thought I'd take a picture of my Mazda banners...

cLLcLe

Now that is SWEET! Sweet garage as well! Hahaha~

Dang! That banner really looks good on your black RX-8... Now I really gotta get myself one of those!

Oh, and I really can't count the days... my body shop didn't give me a definitive finish date. All I know is that it's sometime by the end of this week (if they don't run into any additional problems such as CEL, brake squeal, etc. etc.)

speeddemon32

Kwescott, I like those banners in your garage, Here are a couple more pics. did i mention how much i like it????
I like it even more then i thought i would. it looks freakin awsome!

Gh0st, you would be right, the third gen does grip more, but it is less forgiving. (like i said before). if you ever get a chance drive a stock third gen so you can see. I dont know if it is my springs or just in my head, but it did feel like my car grips better then the third gen, but his sure did feel faster! :D

CLLCLCCLLCCLLCLCL....... you are welcome to call me anytime and come get your banner. PM me when you are ready and ill give you my number (if you dont already have it)

Lasper, MeShell is going to try and get a sample of a metalic red tomorrow, (I packed my color books already so I dont have any colors to chose from.) if she finds something ill let you know. If not you are welcome to a white one at least for a temp banner. (i have always thought red and white look great together anyways.)

Snowfl8k, MeShell is also going to try and get a pearl white tomorrow, if she does then we will let you know........ in fact talk to Kieth, we already had this conversation. :D

FastRX8

Yes, it's the same righthand drive 7 that was at the bbq.

- Cesar -

lesper4

iTrader: (3)

man that does look awesome i love how the color doesnt stand out but all blends together. i am thinking black with metalic red or silver (chrome) lettering depending on what you guys have. I think the red background may be too much

scotty305

Here's a 7 owner's perspective. First my background: I've spent about 5 minutes autocrossing in an RX-8, and about 30-90 minutes autocrossing my RX-7. At least 90 minutes autocrossing a '00 Impreza non-turbo, and I attended a beginner-level autocrossing school (in the Subaru).


Casey's RX-8 has 17" stock wheels with Z-rated Dunlop tires in front and stock tires in rear (235mm wide), the suspension is stock except for (Eibach?) lowering springs.
My RX-7 has 16" stock wheels with Z-rated Avon tires (245mm wide) all around, as well as a Racing Beat front swaybar on otherwise stock (10-year-old) suspension.


Both cars have a very neutral feel to them. As long as you're not trying to overdrive the tires, there is no understeer to speak of in either car. The RX-8 reacted more quickly to steering input, and body roll was less pronounced. This could be due to my RX-7's worn suspension components, or the RX-8's newer suspension design.


In the RX-8, oversteer comes only from being harsh on the throttle, and it's very predictable. There is an up-side to having less power. The linear powerband of the RX-8 makes you feel like a pro. You can use full throttle much more often (even with DCS disabled) when accelerating, and correcting oversteer is very easy without turbo lag. In the RX-7, the extra power comes quickly and is not always predictable due to the turbochargers. This has caused many FD owners to wreck their cars by driving like morons on public roads.
However, the RX-8 will bog if you don't launch at the proper RPM, or if you neglect to downshift when needed. You can't be lazy about shifting gears in this car.



I'm not sure if I got into ABS territory in the RX-8, but if I did, then the modern ABS is significantly better; you can't hear or feel it working. In my RX-7, you know when the ABS has kicked in.



FD owners like to talk about how lightweight their cars are. The RX-8 didn't feel heavy during cornering or braking. During acceleration, you could tell that the power-to-weight ratio was not as high as the FD, but I didn't even spend half a second thinking "I would be faster around this autocross course if this car had more power." Also, I really like the steering (both the wheel and the turns ratio) in the RX-8. If anyone has a stock steering wheel for cheap, I'd like to buy one.





To sum it all up, stock-for-stock, neither car seemed to have a significant advantage on an autocross course. The better driver will win (and Casey's getting better very quickly!). A novice will be faster in an RX-8, because it's easier to control.




By the way, Cesar, the nationals-winning RX-7 was in StreetMod2 class, which allows a TON of suspension and engine mods, while the nationals-winning RX-8 was in B-Stock, which doesn't allow nearly the same level of modifications. This is why their times are so different. An accurate comparison would be an S-Stock prepared RX-7 vs the B-Stock prepped RX-8.



-s-

PS, I'm planning on keeping my Rotorlution banner, especially if the rest of the team keeps coming to the races.

SnowFl8k

ALL HAIL TO THE ROTARY KING!!!!!


But seriously - that was pretty impressive

SnowFl8k

but on a different note.........I'm getting a new mo--od. I'm getting a new mo-od.

(can you hear me singing it to you?)

Oh - and II'm getting a new banner too!

speeddemon32

isn't that pretty much what i said?? :D
just because i am ****, the 8 has 18"wheels stock, and they are 225's all the way around. springs are Sprint.
Just thought i would add my .02

Lasper, Black and chrome looks great together, but i am not sure how it would look on a red car. i have never seen it before. i would think it would look pretty cool. but i real dont know...... hmmmm.......

also the chrome does not last very long. michells truck has a chrome playboy bunny on it, and its been almost a year, and its already scratched and losing its "chrome" its more of a bright sliver now. but for the first 6 months it looks freakin awsome.

spice boy, sent you a PM.

gh0st

if i had to put my finger on it, id say the stock fd i drove felt loose, not as crisp and didnt react as quickly. this might sound stupid but it actually felt heavier at turn in then the 8 does (but only at turn in). yeah.. its like you said, im comparing the 8 to a 10 year old 65K mile car with what looked like walmart tyres on.

denward

speeddemon32

he he he, yeah, the only fair test would be a stock 3rd gen and a stock 8. and the 3rd gen with somewhat new stock suspenssion.

anyways, both cars kick but, I sure do love the feeling of boost though! makes me want a turbo again.

FC3STECH

Hey KC not to sound all picky but can the Rotorlution background be tinted material with regular colored letters, or is that just not an option, thanks

speeddemon32

yes it can, thats how my first one was. but ican not do the tint. you would have to go to a tint shop and get it done, i think they charge like $20 for it. and then i can do the ROTORLUTION after that. (the tint goes on the inside, and the ROTORLUTION goes on the outside)

OR

I can do the ROTORLUTION first, and then you can go get the tint done (since the tint goes on the inside.)

Let me know what you want to do. :D


Edit:
if you look at the picture below, you will see when i had the window tint and the silver banner.
(the tint is still on my car, it's just hidden under the yellow banner i have now.)

KrazieKave

Kwescott, all you need to do now is paint your calipers red and you'll be set.

Speedemon, as soon as i get a plain chrome plate frame, i'll give you a jingle (phone call) thanks.

scotty305

Denward, I agree. The 8 reacts more quickly to steering inputs. The tires play a big role in steering feel. Taller tires can act as very soft springs, making the steering response noticeably sluggish. For race day, I inflate my 16" tires to their max psi (51) so the steering doesn't feel sloppy. Casey's car still has a quicker steering response, and I would guess he's at a normal tire pressure. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if the front of the FD is heavier than the RX-8. The cast-iron turbos and manifold are said to weigh over 30 lbs, and there's a 35+lb battery right in the front of the engine bay. The RX-8 keeps its weight closer to the center of the car.



I also rode shotgun in a highly-modified FD at the same race; his best time of the day was a full 6-7 secs faster than mine. His setup included coilovers, 17" wheels, and 245-series Z-rated tires (the tires were holding him back, wider rubber in the rear would make for a faster car). I didn't see any other RX-8's.



I keep forgetting the RX-8 comes with 18" wheels. I think I've been corrected at least twice now... :p


-s-

FastRX8

Thanks to kwescott for catching this picture.

It's my favorite one! :D

- Cesar -

gh0st

if you guys dont mind me asking, how much was that session? fontana right?


denward