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03-22-2010, 01:35 PM
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detrich: I agree, this particular bill is a pile of garbage.
What drives me nuts is how the Prez pretty much bought the necessary votes this past week. Did you hear about the Rep who got a flight aboard Air Force One and suddently decided to vote yet?
Another guy who was set to vote no but suddenly Obama promises Immigration reform in his state and the guy votes YES?! That guy sold out, it's pathetic.
If he didn't like the bill before but when he gets immigration reform, he suddenly likes it enough to vote Yes?!
I agree the system needs help, it's gotten too over priced, doctors are terrified of malpractice suits, and the drug companies make pills for EVERYTHING.
How is mandating that everyone have health care going to help? How is collecting 10 years of taxes to pay for 4 years of health insurance a fiscally solid plan?
Last time I checked, I lived in a country that valued freedom and did not force it's people to do things that are unnecessary.
/sigh
What drives me nuts is how the Prez pretty much bought the necessary votes this past week. Did you hear about the Rep who got a flight aboard Air Force One and suddently decided to vote yet?
Another guy who was set to vote no but suddenly Obama promises Immigration reform in his state and the guy votes YES?! That guy sold out, it's pathetic.
If he didn't like the bill before but when he gets immigration reform, he suddenly likes it enough to vote Yes?!
I agree the system needs help, it's gotten too over priced, doctors are terrified of malpractice suits, and the drug companies make pills for EVERYTHING.
How is mandating that everyone have health care going to help? How is collecting 10 years of taxes to pay for 4 years of health insurance a fiscally solid plan?
Last time I checked, I lived in a country that valued freedom and did not force it's people to do things that are unnecessary.
/sigh
03-22-2010, 01:47 PM
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so, from what i'm gathering with you guys here about this bill is that it's not financially possible.
and jorge, i'm sure you know that often times when something big like this gets into a bill, a bunch of other smaller things get tagged along with it right? like with this health care bill, the other "smaller" thing that got tagged on to it was helping out college students by taking out the 'middle man' lender, such as sallie mae, which in turn will lower interests rates for the students with student loans like myself...
so, had this not passed, this wouldn't have happened.
and i guess i'm the only democrat here, lol.
and jorge, i'm sure you know that often times when something big like this gets into a bill, a bunch of other smaller things get tagged along with it right? like with this health care bill, the other "smaller" thing that got tagged on to it was helping out college students by taking out the 'middle man' lender, such as sallie mae, which in turn will lower interests rates for the students with student loans like myself...
so, had this not passed, this wouldn't have happened.
and i guess i'm the only democrat here, lol.
03-22-2010, 02:41 PM
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the changes in student loans will ultimately hurt the bank's abilities to provide financing for students.
banks like Citi provide billions in student loans, this pushes them out of that market.
xrider: you're not the only democrat in here.
banks like Citi provide billions in student loans, this pushes them out of that market.
xrider: you're not the only democrat in here.
03-22-2010, 03:29 PM
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did our 2010 census last night. Much like forms I have been filling out for the birth of my son...I can see I am now in the minority. It feels like A$$ to be in the minority.
03-22-2010, 03:31 PM
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I think I have the census at my house somewhere. Maybe I'll fill it out some time soon. 
03-22-2010, 04:03 PM
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i've been w/o health insurance for nearly two years. and in these two years, i've been great full i haven't been seriously injured or become seriously ill. even though many people out there don't support the bill for various different reasons, it will mean that people like myself will be able to have health insurance again.
As for the census, my gf and i got ours filled out and sent back two days after receiving it. i even did my mom's that weekend after she got hers. had i not done it for her, she wouldn't have turned it in.
As for the census, my gf and i got ours filled out and sent back two days after receiving it. i even did my mom's that weekend after she got hers. had i not done it for her, she wouldn't have turned it in.
03-22-2010, 04:07 PM
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why did you not have health insurance?
Didn't like your last provider?
took a job where it wasn't offered?
Didn't like the insurance companies available to you?
couldn't afford it?
Didn't like your last provider?
took a job where it wasn't offered?
Didn't like the insurance companies available to you?
couldn't afford it?
03-22-2010, 07:14 PM
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just wait till you see one of these one the road
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/03/22/r...or-918-spyder/
for some reason everyones post from gerry new one today never registered in my g-mail as a notification?
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/03/22/r...or-918-spyder/
for some reason everyones post from gerry new one today never registered in my g-mail as a notification?
03-22-2010, 07:28 PM
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Didn't like your last provider? - my last provided was Blue Cross of California. I had them up until i got laid off my job over at EVGA in December of 2008. IMO, it was an excellent provider as it paid for all my medical and dental expenses when they were incurred. Prior to them, I had Aetna while I was working for UPS and PC Club. Aetna was also a great provider. Both these insurance companies were great as they both took care of everything for little out of pocket costs for me.
took a job where it wasn't offered? - yes, see above answer for first question
Didn't like the insurance companies available to you? - Aetna and BCoC are both great, but to the individual person, these rates are through the roof. the costs of monthly insurance would have been approximately $450/mo. for just myself with either insurance company. That's half my rent!!!
couldn't afford it? - see above.
referring to the first question and first answer, my mom's current employer is another prime example of medical insurance going up. she recently had to give up her medical insurance because the costs of her medical insurance were just too significant even through her employer. prior to her employer's open enrollment late last year, my mom only had to pay a $50 monthly fee which was deducted from her paycheck every pay check - $25 and $25. This was no problem for her. Prior to the open enrollment period, her employer started to shop around for a better deal on health insurance to the employees as they knew that the current health insurance company was going to raise its rates for the next contract term. After exhaustive searching, my mom's employer decided to stay with the current company as it still offered the best rates for insurance. These new rates were $150/mo. for the new contract term vs. the $50/mo. on the old contract. Sure, $150/mo. means nothing for some people, but to others like my mom, myself and many others $150 is a seriously shiny penny for others.
so yea, if this bill/law means that we ALL have medical insurance to lower rates for everybody, then i'm all for it.
03-22-2010, 08:00 PM
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幹他媽!
i currently have Guardian, and they TOTALLY suck ***... United Health was a million times better, because not only was i able to select my own doctor and/ or specialist, but they actually paid the doctors a reasonable fee for services rendered.... Guardian, on the other hand, nickels and dimes the doctors and so in addition to paying my monthly amount -and- my co-pay at the dr's office, i still get stuck with a "balance." wtf in hell is up with that?
03-23-2010, 03:43 AM
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why did you not have health insurance? - Current job doesn't offer it. Insurance premiums for small businesses like the one i work for are through the roof high. Medical insurance doesn't get cost effective unless there are at least 50 people working for a company and the employees of said small companies still have a partial amount deducted from their pay check to help pay for these medical benefits.
Didn't like your last provider? - my last provided was Blue Cross of California. I had them up until i got laid off my job over at EVGA in December of 2008. IMO, it was an excellent provider as it paid for all my medical and dental expenses when they were incurred. Prior to them, I had Aetna while I was working for UPS and PC Club. Aetna was also a great provider. Both these insurance companies were great as they both took care of everything for little out of pocket costs for me.
took a job where it wasn't offered? - yes, see above answer for first question
Didn't like the insurance companies available to you? - Aetna and BCoC are both great, but to the individual person, these rates are through the roof. the costs of monthly insurance would have been approximately $450/mo. for just myself with either insurance company. That's half my rent!!!
couldn't afford it? - see above.
referring to the first question and first answer, my mom's current employer is another prime example of medical insurance going up. she recently had to give up her medical insurance because the costs of her medical insurance were just too significant even through her employer. prior to her employer's open enrollment late last year, my mom only had to pay a $50 monthly fee which was deducted from her paycheck every pay check - $25 and $25. This was no problem for her. Prior to the open enrollment period, her employer started to shop around for a better deal on health insurance to the employees as they knew that the current health insurance company was going to raise its rates for the next contract term. After exhaustive searching, my mom's employer decided to stay with the current company as it still offered the best rates for insurance. These new rates were $150/mo. for the new contract term vs. the $50/mo. on the old contract. Sure, $150/mo. means nothing for some people, but to others like my mom, myself and many others $150 is a seriously shiny penny for others.
so yea, if this bill/law means that we ALL have medical insurance to lower rates for everybody, then i'm all for it.
Didn't like your last provider? - my last provided was Blue Cross of California. I had them up until i got laid off my job over at EVGA in December of 2008. IMO, it was an excellent provider as it paid for all my medical and dental expenses when they were incurred. Prior to them, I had Aetna while I was working for UPS and PC Club. Aetna was also a great provider. Both these insurance companies were great as they both took care of everything for little out of pocket costs for me.
took a job where it wasn't offered? - yes, see above answer for first question
Didn't like the insurance companies available to you? - Aetna and BCoC are both great, but to the individual person, these rates are through the roof. the costs of monthly insurance would have been approximately $450/mo. for just myself with either insurance company. That's half my rent!!!
couldn't afford it? - see above.
referring to the first question and first answer, my mom's current employer is another prime example of medical insurance going up. she recently had to give up her medical insurance because the costs of her medical insurance were just too significant even through her employer. prior to her employer's open enrollment late last year, my mom only had to pay a $50 monthly fee which was deducted from her paycheck every pay check - $25 and $25. This was no problem for her. Prior to the open enrollment period, her employer started to shop around for a better deal on health insurance to the employees as they knew that the current health insurance company was going to raise its rates for the next contract term. After exhaustive searching, my mom's employer decided to stay with the current company as it still offered the best rates for insurance. These new rates were $150/mo. for the new contract term vs. the $50/mo. on the old contract. Sure, $150/mo. means nothing for some people, but to others like my mom, myself and many others $150 is a seriously shiny penny for others.
so yea, if this bill/law means that we ALL have medical insurance to lower rates for everybody, then i'm all for it.
03-23-2010, 11:23 AM
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We should be able to afford it. I'm sad that it took this long to resolve this problem. There are a few things that i have issue's with in this bill, but you cannot make all the people happy. Is this the end of democracy as we know it? No. The Glen Becks of the world will find a conspiracy in anything. I served this country and I'm proud to say we helped our fellow country men with this bill. I maybe the minority on this site, but a great majority of people are happy about this bill. Not everyone got there way, but it was for the greater good.
03-23-2010, 11:37 AM
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Not that I dont like all this activity in the thread but polictics?
So in short (I am registered one way but I vote my thoughts) this whole health care reform is good because it gives everyone health care? and bad because they are raises taxes to do it and fining people who dont have it?
I ask because like I was telling my mom, what power do I have to make a difference other then write a letter to our state rep...or to put it another way I have not paid any attention to this so now that it is being finilized I might as well figure out what it is all about. (remember laymens terms).
So in short (I am registered one way but I vote my thoughts) this whole health care reform is good because it gives everyone health care? and bad because they are raises taxes to do it and fining people who dont have it?
I ask because like I was telling my mom, what power do I have to make a difference other then write a letter to our state rep...or to put it another way I have not paid any attention to this so now that it is being finilized I might as well figure out what it is all about. (remember laymens terms).
03-23-2010, 01:02 PM
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I think they will at some point. They need to figure out the 16x, work out the Direct Injection and figure out how to meet these new emission standards.
03-23-2010, 02:01 PM
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Love the concept, it looks good. I want the glory days back into the rotary. I do hope we can see more rotary's in racing again. Maybe a Rolex a rotary in the prototype cars.
03-23-2010, 02:55 PM
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Hey guys, I have a problem.
I can no longer afford my internet connection at my house. The part-time/entry level job I have doesn't have internet I can use. I tried going to a place to pay by the hour, but it's also too expensive. Then I tried going to a place that offers free internet (like the library), but I didn't like the service or having to wait in line. Fortunately for me, there is an new option.
There is a new Bill being looked at by the gov't, and it will force the middle class to pay extra in taxes so that I can get internet access. Sweet.
There Loren, that's laymen's terms.
We have free health clinics all over this country. People don't want to go because they don't like the service or they don't want to wait. I didn't have medical insurance for many years during my early 20's. Guess what? I somehow survived. If I needed medical attention, I got it. If it cost money, I cut back on junk and paid for it. When I did have to go to emergency for slicing my hand open in a couple spots, I needed stitches, it was expensive, and I paid for it. Such is life.
The reason I didn't get insurance was because I really didn't need it that often. In 5yrs of no insurance, I spent about $1500 in medical bills. There is no way I would have spent that little by paying for insurance, so I made a decision to not get health insurance. Eventually, I knew that would have to change, so I started working my butt off, getting ahead in life so that I could have a job that could afford the things I needed. Even when my jobs didn't cover insurance, I made enough money to pay for what I needed, or, I went to a free clinic. The reason many people in their 20's don't get health insurance, is that the reality is, you don't have many medical issues at that age. Same reason teens aren't shopping for Life Insurance. Hopefully, it's not necessary, and it's a financial gamble most people are willing to take.
Now, you and I will be helping to pay for those people who can't afford their own insurance. Wonderful system. Just like welfare. Let's take people who don't want to work, and give them incentives to sink further into their couch. Oh, and by the way, if you start poppin' out kids, we'll give you more money. I know that not everyone on Welfare is like that, but let's be honest, 99% are. If they really wanted to work, they'd be in line stealing jobs from the Day Laborers everyone likes to complain about. That's why when I see a guy at an off-ramp I know ahead of time; If he's from here, he'll have a sign, if he's an immigrant, he'll have oranges or flowers for sale.
People in this country are so use to getting everything handed to them, they totally missed out on the fact that their freedom is being taken.
You would never dream of going to Bill Gates and saying to him, "Hey, since you're rich, you need to pay for my stuff. It's only fair right?" You'd never say that because you know it's stupid to think that way. He has what he has because he earned it, and you have what you have because you earned it. Problem is, the gov't stepped in and decided Bill Gates does have to pay for your stuff. Unfortunately, You and I are the Bill Gates, and the stuff is other people's health care.
I can no longer afford my internet connection at my house. The part-time/entry level job I have doesn't have internet I can use. I tried going to a place to pay by the hour, but it's also too expensive. Then I tried going to a place that offers free internet (like the library), but I didn't like the service or having to wait in line. Fortunately for me, there is an new option.
There is a new Bill being looked at by the gov't, and it will force the middle class to pay extra in taxes so that I can get internet access. Sweet.
There Loren, that's laymen's terms.
We have free health clinics all over this country. People don't want to go because they don't like the service or they don't want to wait. I didn't have medical insurance for many years during my early 20's. Guess what? I somehow survived. If I needed medical attention, I got it. If it cost money, I cut back on junk and paid for it. When I did have to go to emergency for slicing my hand open in a couple spots, I needed stitches, it was expensive, and I paid for it. Such is life.
The reason I didn't get insurance was because I really didn't need it that often. In 5yrs of no insurance, I spent about $1500 in medical bills. There is no way I would have spent that little by paying for insurance, so I made a decision to not get health insurance. Eventually, I knew that would have to change, so I started working my butt off, getting ahead in life so that I could have a job that could afford the things I needed. Even when my jobs didn't cover insurance, I made enough money to pay for what I needed, or, I went to a free clinic. The reason many people in their 20's don't get health insurance, is that the reality is, you don't have many medical issues at that age. Same reason teens aren't shopping for Life Insurance. Hopefully, it's not necessary, and it's a financial gamble most people are willing to take.
Now, you and I will be helping to pay for those people who can't afford their own insurance. Wonderful system. Just like welfare. Let's take people who don't want to work, and give them incentives to sink further into their couch. Oh, and by the way, if you start poppin' out kids, we'll give you more money. I know that not everyone on Welfare is like that, but let's be honest, 99% are. If they really wanted to work, they'd be in line stealing jobs from the Day Laborers everyone likes to complain about. That's why when I see a guy at an off-ramp I know ahead of time; If he's from here, he'll have a sign, if he's an immigrant, he'll have oranges or flowers for sale.
People in this country are so use to getting everything handed to them, they totally missed out on the fact that their freedom is being taken.
You would never dream of going to Bill Gates and saying to him, "Hey, since you're rich, you need to pay for my stuff. It's only fair right?" You'd never say that because you know it's stupid to think that way. He has what he has because he earned it, and you have what you have because you earned it. Problem is, the gov't stepped in and decided Bill Gates does have to pay for your stuff. Unfortunately, You and I are the Bill Gates, and the stuff is other people's health care.
03-23-2010, 03:34 PM
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Cesar: excellent post.
I'll add one more simple thing to consider: Since when does the United States force someone to do something? That is not one of the foundations that this great country of ours was founded on.
People CHOOSE to take jobs that don't offer health care, they chose not to work hard, not to study, and that is the byproduct of their choices.
Owners of small businesses CHOOSE to not offer health care to remain competitive in their markets and to make a decent profit so as to be able to continue to employ individuals.
now those choices are being made for you.
People will be required to have health insurance and many business will be taxed if they do not offer health insurance.
Is it "nice" that everyone can get healtcare now?
Sure, it gives you a warm-fuzzy feeling to be able to say that "30 million americans now have healthcare" but how many really want it? How many would be fine without it? how many of them could afford it if they ACTUALLY chose to make changes in their lives? Now we'll never know.
Where is MY choice in this?
I will admit that I make a generous income, I own several homes, a few different cars, and can afford certain luxuries in this world and I don't take any of that for granted. I worked my *** off and earned all of that and because I excelled where others did not, now I get to pay for them to have things that I work very hard to afford?
I'm so sick of people putting their hands out and asking for the governement to give them some additional hand outs, only to then have the Government turn around and give people like Cesar and I the bill.
I'll add one more simple thing to consider: Since when does the United States force someone to do something? That is not one of the foundations that this great country of ours was founded on.
People CHOOSE to take jobs that don't offer health care, they chose not to work hard, not to study, and that is the byproduct of their choices.
Owners of small businesses CHOOSE to not offer health care to remain competitive in their markets and to make a decent profit so as to be able to continue to employ individuals.
now those choices are being made for you.
People will be required to have health insurance and many business will be taxed if they do not offer health insurance.
Is it "nice" that everyone can get healtcare now?
Sure, it gives you a warm-fuzzy feeling to be able to say that "30 million americans now have healthcare" but how many really want it? How many would be fine without it? how many of them could afford it if they ACTUALLY chose to make changes in their lives? Now we'll never know.
Where is MY choice in this?
I will admit that I make a generous income, I own several homes, a few different cars, and can afford certain luxuries in this world and I don't take any of that for granted. I worked my *** off and earned all of that and because I excelled where others did not, now I get to pay for them to have things that I work very hard to afford?
I'm so sick of people putting their hands out and asking for the governement to give them some additional hand outs, only to then have the Government turn around and give people like Cesar and I the bill.
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03-23-2010, 04:42 PM
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i pretty much agree with everything Cesar said except the Bill Gates bit... why? because the reality is, it's easy to be a generous philanthropist- by giving some money back to charity- AFTER u've fucked the world over with your monopolistic, predatory-pricing business practices and taken their $ first to begin with... 
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03-23-2010, 04:44 PM
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oh, c'mon Gerry.
I shudder to think where this world would be WITHOUT Microsoft's contributions. I truly hope you were just kidding.
I shudder to think where this world would be WITHOUT Microsoft's contributions. I truly hope you were just kidding.
03-23-2010, 04:55 PM
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IstanbulNotConstantinople
I'm actually somewhat surprised Gerry agrees w/ me.
Especially considering how much he hated Bush.
Not to mention, Obama's policy of "We know what's best for the masses" and "We should make all the decisions" so closely resembles a certain iFruit company Jerry and I usually disagree about.
Especially considering how much he hated Bush.
Not to mention, Obama's policy of "We know what's best for the masses" and "We should make all the decisions" so closely resembles a certain iFruit company Jerry and I usually disagree about.
03-23-2010, 05:22 PM
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IstanbulNotConstantinople
Did somebody say phones??? 
On a much happier note, Sprint made a huge announcement today regarding 4G, plus they showed the new phone coming out.
Warning, this ad is NSFYC (Not Safe For Your Carrier)
Especially if you're Jorge.
http://now.sprint.com/evo/?ECID=MA:A...O:FEAT:300x600
On a much happier note, Sprint made a huge announcement today regarding 4G, plus they showed the new phone coming out.
Warning, this ad is NSFYC (Not Safe For Your Carrier)
Especially if you're Jorge.
http://now.sprint.com/evo/?ECID=MA:A...O:FEAT:300x600