Detrich

i don't think that i favor any political party or ideology- just common sense and what seems fair and right... which this obama health care reform does not appear to be... so, my disliking of bush and obama need not be mutually exclusive... they are both f-ups in their own ways...

that said, i know u're going to love me for doing so... but, i already woke up at 5 am on 3/19 and pre-ordered my 3G WiFi iPad... kekeke

lesper4

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Jorge I heard that there are already a bunch of groups planning on sueing because of this HCR,

lesper4

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Cesar when is Verizon going to provide 4G or 3G as fast as Sprint? Yeah I know switch carriers, but at this point I wouddl rather not.

Jedi54

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Loren: 14 Attorney Generals have already filed suit.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36001783...h_care_reform/

Unreal_Speed

I think again the term socialism is in the wrong context. It amazes me that people think that bill is total government take over. I have earned my right to have health care reform as a veteran. I think that people should have the ability to afford get healthcare. That is a right that we as Americans should have. Not everyone is lucky enough to have the opportunity's that the few have. We get insurance for cars that is mandatory to drive, why not health care? I just want who ever that person is, to get enough to cover there butt when there luck runs out and gets in the emergency room. Life has a funny way of showing that it is completely unpredictable. Here is another funny thing. The rich are always the first to complain about the government is always picking on them. Always taking there money and giving it to the people that live off the government. Has the rich ever thought that it is the middle class, that have been caring this United States of America? The middle class is always the tax bracket that pays the most taxes. It is about time, we catch a break on something that our family needs. I will admit that we do need to fix things that are in bill in hopes we get on a even plane. My family is a classic case of a working class family that cannot afford the health care that they need until now. For them and millions of family's like them, this bill is a life saver.

To those that think the President is a socialist try living in China for a year. Than we can talk. In China, the people cannot even talk smack against the government for fear of prison or death. There you have know rights. This bill is not the end of the world nor is it the start of some stupid conspiracy. I'm proud of this country that see's the need to help its poorest citizens. It is real easy to point fingers and assume what that person is about, its another to find out why.

Unreal_Speed

Sprint has one bad *** phone coming there way. I'm waiting for the HTC Incredable which has a 8MP camera.

xrider01

i picked up the Droid from Verizon about 3 weeks ago myself

+1 bro

Unreal_Speed

[QUOTE=xrider01;3483529]i picked up the Droid from Verizon about 3 weeks ago myself


Had the Droid and I gave it up. Biggest mistake I did. Love that phone.

Jedi54

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thank you for what you did for our country. You are right, as a Veteran you are entitled to certain priviledges and VA care is one of them.
they already have that. Medical, Medicare, Free Clinics, etc.

Luck has nothing to do with it. My parents came to this country (legally) 35 years ago, not speaking a word of English. They adapted, learned our culture, went to school, earned their degrees, and are now extremely successful people.

You crashing into my car and not having insurance to fix my vehicle is completely different then me getting AIDS and dying because I can't afford treatment. I have harmed no one in not carrying insurance and my loss is my own.
Hospitals cannot legally turn away someone who is in the Emergency Room in need of immediate care. That is already the law.

Small business drives this country's economy but it is not the middle class who carries the largest burden.

Wrong.
The middle class does NOT pay the most taxes, never has.
I do not consider myself rich but I do make a generous income which affords me the privilege to own several homes, cars, and allows me the luxury to enjoy certain other perks. That does not come however without a very steep financial cost.
I pay more property taxes every year then some people make from their jobs
I am in THE highest tax bracket allowed in CA
I am single with no kids, which means I do not have the tax breaks that a middle class family enjoys.

why does the plane need to be even? While I wish everyone success in life, there has been and always will be a heirarchy to our society. An even plane is impossible and to attempt to do that is to tax the uppper class to the extent that they fall to the level of everyone else.
How is that fair for those of us who have sacrificed all of our lives to get where we are?

We finally agree as I too am extremely proud of this country and love it to no end. This is not the answer though.
Our country is in the largest budget deficit in it's entire history. While I would like to help the less fortunate in our society, it needs to be done responsibly. We already have more social benefit programs then just about any country out there.
We need to do a better job of managing the resources we already have. Medical needs to be reformed, we need to stop wasting so much money on medicaid, welfare is a complete joke, we need to fix social security.
Instead we are spending $1 TRILLION because it's easier then making the difficult choices of fixing our country's never ending desire to live beyond our means.

Unreal_Speed

We live in a society that caters to corporations than to its own citizens. The health industry has been ripping people off for a very long time. I want this to end. I will agree with you on this aspect: I do think that there is far to much red tape and government in these programs. We need to keep cost down by trimming the fat but, maintain the benefits. We should make health care affordable to all of our citizens.

speeddemon32

xrider01

Just because these programs are available doesn't mean that everybody can qualify to use them.

An aunt of mine is a prime example of this. She is strong middle class but without any medical insurance. She has had diabetes for many years and because of money that she had earned and saved when she used to own properties she was able to pay for her own doctors visits and medication. Then in 2007 her diabetes had taken a toll on her body to the point where caused massive cholesterol blockage of her arteries. She needed to get a quintuple (5) bypass surgery to ensure she continues to live. She was first admitted into the hospital in February of 2008 in order to start her treatments.

Well after several complications, 5 surgeries, 6 months in the hospital, large amounts of medications, and two (2) near death experiences, her tab on her medical bill is right around $2 million the last time i heard.

Now, because of her solid middle class social-economic standing, she doesn't qualify for medical, medicaid, or any other type of medical insurance. She couldn't buy medical insurance from an insurance company prior because everywhere she went to buy medical insurance, she kept getting denied from it because of her diabetes.

eventually she did get medical, but it was only after "playing the system" that she was able to do so.

so, just because it's there, doesn't mean that it's available to everybody.

i'm sure luck has something to do with anything and everything. just like your parents, my parents came here legally as well. they both adapted, learned english, learned the culture, etc. but success isn't always about what you know, but also about WHO you know. i'm sure if you ask them, they'll tell you they met somebody that gave them a big break somewhere along the line that put them in the successful positions they're in now. i know that was the case with my parents.

A recurring illness (AIDS in your example) is a bad example. What if you have no health insurance and you break your femur, pelvis, or incur some other serious injury? You said yourself that in an emergency, a person is to be treated no matter what. Ok, that's fine. What about the medical bill after wards? If you couldn't afford health insurance, yet still made enough to not qualify you to place you on an existing medical program (i fall in this category), then what do you do? Not only that, after such injury occurs, the individual will require further treatment to make sure everything is settling in well, x-rays, etc. until the cast(s) come off.

Or, what if it's not a broken bone? What if it's something just as sudden like a heart attack or stroke? Both will require immediate treatment which a hospital is required to do, but, both will also require further treatment. People such as myself would not be able to afford medical insurance, but still make too much to qualify for a medical program. Is that really fair to those people like myself? I think not.

And who makes up this country's largest population? The middle class of course. I'm sure that the amount of taxes applied to the middle class population is equal to or greater than the amount taxes applied to the upper class population.

By owning several homes and/or properties you have more than many people. Therefore, you are rich/wealthy.

Even after your taxes and other expenses paid, do you still come out with extra money in your pocket at the end of the month and year? if you do, then you're still golden and wouldn't complain about it. if you don't, then why not start selling off some of your properties? It'd lower what you currently pay in taxes and you'd be able to have that extra money in your pocket.

There are other countries out there with a similar social-economic hierarchy as ours that have national health care and it's working fine for them. Some of these countries are: Japan, Canada, England, and many other countries in the E.U. just to name a few. So, why can't it work here? The United States is the not only the most powerful country in the world, but up until now, it has been the only industrialized country to NOT have national health care for its citizens. I mean, so what if the United States being a super power and all in the world but not taking care of its citizens is fair, right? That's fair right? Sure it is....

says the one with multiple properties...

Jedi54

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then as I mentioned before: maybe THIS is where the 'reform' needs to start, not with making the "easy and popular" decision. Spending more money is easy when it isn't yours.

sorry to hear about your aunt but see my comment above.
She had $2 Million in medical bills but couldn't find alternate methods to acquire insurance sooner?
Not buying that one...



I'll say it again: luck had nothing to do with my parents success. My father worked at a factory when he first arrived here in order to afford to put himself through school.
I remember days as a kid where the water would be turned off due to lack of payment, there would be a lock on the fuse panel outside because they couldn't afford the electricity, there would be delinquent notices on the door.
I remember eating dinner in my house as a kid with nothing but candles lighting up the kitchen because the power company had turned off the electricity due to lack of payment.
My parents never once complained, they never once got some 'lucky break'. They used this as motivation, went to school, and started their own business.
My parents eventually became some of the most successful real estate agents in all of Orange County. Not because they met someone but because they wanted it bad enough and failure wasn't an option.




why not seek a job at a place where you can get medical benefits? Strive to get to a better place and then you won't have to hold your hand out.
Look at Cesar's story, he went through the same thing; not being able to afford medical insurance but he pushed himself to become better and no longer needs to worry about being in your situation. If we continue to 'bail people out' or create 'fairness', where is the motivation to better onself?

And who employs the middle class?
Ever stop to consider the contributions the upper class already makes?



No, I am not rich.
So since I have "more than many people" I should be punished?


Of course I still have money left over after expenses, that is what effective budgeting is all about.
I work my *** off to make ends meet and I don't complain about my expenses. If I was short at the end of the month, I'd work harder or I'd cut my expenses to ensure I live within my means, I'd never expect someone to pay for these things.

why would I sell my investments? While I don't enjoy paying the taxes that I do, this is all part of my overall investment strategy and ensuring that I have money left over for my retirement.



you're fixated with this idea of fairness. Who ever told you life was fair?
You mention that it "works" in other countries, are you sure about that? According to whom?
Many of those countries do provide a National Health care system, as does Cuba: do you think they're happy with the care they receive?
Ask yourself this: When was the last time you thought to yourself: WOW, I live in a great Country. The US Government is SO efficient! The IRS is great, the Post Office works like a fine oiled machine, and I wish more things were like that.

(think about that for a second)
Now ask yourself if THIS is who you want in charge of 1/6 of this country's entire economy? Can you even imagine the red tape?




you believe that because I own multiple properties that I myself am living beyond my means? How ignorant of you.
It was a business strategy that prompted me to buy real estate. I'm not the guy who doesn't have enough money at the end of the month to pay for insurance but can buy a nice car.
It all comes down to priorities and budgeting.

FastRX8

Good activity on this thread recently

I would expect nothing less. In fact, if you didn't, I'd be disappointed.


Verizon is at least 1year away from 4G. Their version will be called LTE. Their current 3G is just as good as Sprint's 3G, if you're in a good coverage area.
However, 4G is up to 10x's faster than 3G, so if you were on 4G, you wouldn't want 3G anymore.
You don't use your phone enough to justify spending a bunch on data coverage. 3G/4G makes no difference for texting or even looking up directions occasionally. Save your money and buy more toys for your bike. (or to pay for some else's healthcare)

HTC Supersonic has an 8mp camera that records 720p video (I assume the Incredible's camera will too) and a front facing 1.3mp camera for video conferencing.
Same 1GHZ processor as the Incredible (but the rumored Incredible has it underclocked at 768MHZ, we'll see when it launches)
4.3" screen on the Supersonic, 3.7" screen on the Incredible
However, the Incredible has a AMOLED and the Supersonic is TFT LCD (not sure how much better or worse these will look in person but AMOLED is better technology)
Supersonic also has a HDMI output so you can watch your HD Videos on a TV.

...And Finally...

I love how someone that can't afford healthcare thinks it's fair to make me pay for it, and a veteran thinks it's fair when my freedom to choose is taken away

Jedi54

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but you can't wake up early enough to go to SevenStock?
you're killing me smalls, you're killin' me!

scremn8

kidnap gerry throw him in the back of the car and park it in the lot
in irvine, he could not help but be there after that .
unless he he slept through the whole thing
in the back of his car..

scremn8

these people admitted on TV that they shopped lift and sold the stolen items on line
how stupid can you be.



"On the television show, the couple, living in San Marcos in northern San Diego County, said they had earned up to $100,000 a year by selling stolen goods on the Internet. They traveled to several states, often with their children as decoys, to shoplift at toy stores and other business, according to court documents.

When investigators raided the couple's home, 500 boxes of stolen goods were seized."

FastRX8

Rumor has it that Steve Jobs will be at Seven Stock this year.

(I can hear him setting his alarm now)

Detrich

u guys are funny...

well, it was easier than 7-stock because i didn't have to physically get out of bed. i set my alarm (iPhone) and put my notebook next to my bed. woke up, logged in, made my purchase, then went back to sleep... :P

Unreal_Speed

I love how someone that can't afford healthcare thinks it's fair to make me pay for it, and a veteran thinks it's fair when my freedom to choose is taken away [/QUOTE]

I do think that the word freedom in this case is taken out of context. I did not here people complain that there freedom was taken away when the government took your money on a war you did not agree with. Or when the Patriot act took our rights and flushed them down. As a Veteran and a citizen, I have a right to stand up and say something. I know I earned it. I just want healthcare where all people can afford it. That is not a bad idea nor is it taken freedoms away that people have. What ever happen to the moral high ground? Help your fellow man. This bill does help in other ways to so many people. So far all I here is one part of it. The elimination of pre- conditions is huge. Like I said, not everyone is going to be happy, and I'm not trying to convince anyone here.

Unreal_Speed

When I heard that, I was like are you kidding me. What would compel you to go on T.V to admit your crimes. You should have just turned yourself in. It would have been much better and you would not have looked like a turd.

Detrich

i read on latimes that there was also another criminal ring of young teens/ 20-somethings that burglarized, targeted specific celebrity homes. and, they stole their property to sell too... it stretched all the way from LA to Vegas. but, the cops busted them.

Unreal_Speed

One of the criminals is on a E reality show called High Life, I think.

Jedi54

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No one ever accused these people of being smart.

xrider01

seriously. all i want is to be able to afford health care.


and, i'll get to jedi's post a little later. kinda busy here at ATM to post something long.